Sunday, April 28, 2013

Ex-Gay Leader Apologizes

This past week one of the most important leaders of the "ex-gay" movement revealed that he is not straight at all. John Paulk, whose picture you see here on the cover of Newsweek, wrote a letter of apology, which was posted by GLAAD and other sites.

The "ex-gay" movement touched public life in Montgomery County, Maryland, when Peter Sprigg told a crowd protesting the new sex-ed curriculum in 2005 about "the myth that people cannot change their their sexual orientation and in fact, we have thousands, tens of thousands of former homosexuals around this country who will testify to the possibility of change in their sexual orientation and my understanding is that the committee ignored all evidence in that regard." Our lives were further touched when PFOX -- Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays and Gays -- (but wouldn't that be PFOX-GAG?) joined in lawsuits that cost our county tens of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees.

A lot has been said about this letter. Many gay and lesbian people have struggled in their lives with the hope that their sexual orientation could be changed, and people like John Paulk, groups like PFOX, encouraged them to keep trying, to feel ashamed of the way nature made them and try to be something they are not.

Here is the letter:
For the better part of ten years, I was an advocate and spokesman for what’s known as the “ex-gay movement,” where we declared that sexual orientation could be changed through a close-knit relationship with God, intensive therapy and strong determination. At the time, I truly believed that it would happen. And while many things in my life did change as a Christian, my sexual orientation did not.

So in 2003, I left the public ministry and gave up my role as a spokesman for the “ex-gay movement.” I began a new journey. In the decade since, my beliefs have changed. Today, I do not consider myself “ex-gay” and I no longer support or promote the movement. Please allow me to be clear: I do not believe that reparative therapy changes sexual orientation; in fact, it does great harm to many people.

I know that countless people were harmed by things I said and did in the past, Parents, families, and their loved ones were negatively impacted by the notion of reparative therapy and the message of change. I am truly, truly sorry for the pain I have caused.

From the bottom of my heart I wish I could take back my words and actions that caused anger, depression, guilt and hopelessness. In their place I want to extend love, hope, tenderness, joy and the truth that gay people are loved by God.

Today, I see LGBT people for who they are–beloved, cherished children of God. I offer my most sincere and heartfelt apology to men, women, and especially children and teens who felt unlovable, unworthy, shamed or thrown away by God or the church.

I want to offer my sincere thanks to everyone who encouraged me to take this initial step of transparency. Even while promoting “ex-gay” programs, there were those who called me on my own words and actions. I’m sure I didn’t appreciate it at the time, but they have helped me to realize this truth about who I am.

This is a life transition that has been and will continue to be, challenging. Sadly, my marriage of 20 years is in the process of ending. I want to take the time to make sure my next actions come from a place of truth and authenticity. Therefore, I’m drastically limiting my public engagement until my own personal life can be settled. After that I eagerly anticipate giving back to the community.

Finally, I know there are still accounts of my “ex-gay” testimony out there being publicized by various groups, including two books that I wrote about my journey. I don’t get any royalties from these publications, and haven’t since I left the ministry nearly ten years ago. I discourage anyone from purchasing and selling these books or promoting my “ex-gay” story because they do not reflect who I am now or what I believe today.

John Paulk
This should be the end of it.

159 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

RIP ex-gay movement.

April 28, 2013 9:14 AM  
Blogger Patrick Fitzgerald said...

Wow. Now that’s an apology.

The only thing I would add is that he spend the rest of his hours disclaiming, discouraging, and doing everything he can to get his books of "change" off the market.

April 28, 2013 11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This should be the end of it"

oh yeah

once one person has said what TTF wants him to say, all conversation must end

people who become involved in any type of sinful activity, and everyone has, will always struggle with the temptation to return to it

why single out homosexuality as a intractable and not treat other crimes against God the same way?

btw, Newsweek is going out of business before year-end

HAVE A NICE DAY!!

April 28, 2013 12:00 PM  
Anonymous Kindness said...

Anonymous, this is it, there's nothing left. The ex-gay lie is now put to rest. Next thing you know, Regina Griggs is going to show love for her son.

April 28, 2013 12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you base that on the testimony of one person at one point in time

you didn't say that ten years ago when he said he overcame homosexuality

but the evidence would have been the same then

face it, you believe what you want to believe

April 28, 2013 1:22 PM  
Anonymous Kindness said...

He "overcame homosexuality?"

Did you read this letter?

April 28, 2013 1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you have something to say, say it

April 28, 2013 4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Genius-All-Us-Insights/dp/0307387305

I was roundly berated here for insisting that believing you could accomplish something was absolutely key and crucial in accomplishing it...

and that telling your kids " you can do anything you want to" was wrong.

turns out, this guy just wrote a book that seems to support my position...


negativity should not rule ! (unless you are dealing with Priya, who will never attempt to achieve because Priya has decided that Priya is not capable of performing)....

and that's my point ! It's the decision and the attitude that so outweighs capability.

sorry jim, completely off subject.

April 28, 2013 10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Priya has achieved just what Priya wanted to achieve

sit at home all day eating bon-bons and scouring atheist websites to reassure Priya there is no God watching

while the rest of Canada works feversihly to support Priya

quite an impressive con game!!!

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April 29, 2013 8:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So in 2003, I left the public ministry and gave up my role as a spokesman for the “ex-beastiaist movement.” I began a new journey. In the decade since, my beliefs have changed. Today, I do not consider myself “ex-beastialist” and I no longer support or promote the movement. Please allow me to be clear: I do not believe that reparative therapy changes sexual orientation; in fact, it does great harm to many people.

I know that countless people were harmed by things I said and did in the past, Parents, families, and their loved ones were negatively impacted by the notion of therapy and the message of change. I am truly, truly sorry for the pain I have caused.

From the bottom of my heart I wish I could take back my words and actions that caused anger, depression, guilt and hopelessness. In their place I want to extend love, hope, tenderness, joy and the truth that who have sex with animals are loved by God.

Today, I see beastialists for who they are–beloved, cherished children of God. I offer my most sincere and heartfelt apology to men, women, and especially children and teens who felt unlovable, unworthy, shamed or thrown away by God or the church."

This should be the end of it.

April 29, 2013 8:12 AM  
Anonymous Gerald Fitzpatrick said...

what happened to my post?

April 29, 2013 8:20 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

To explain, Anon had a comment that was so incredibly brilliant and well thought out, comparing homosexuality to bestiality -- which he even created a new spelling for -- that he posted the same exact comment nine times.

Liberal commentors were humiliated by the first posting of the comment, and out of fear of mass suicides reducing the ranks of the Democratic Party I decided to level the playing field by deleting eight of the nine repetitions of the same incisive and philosophically insightful comment.

Gerald, I do not see any recent comments in the spam folder, maybe you should try again.

JimK

April 29, 2013 9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought the 9 repetitions were a perfect example of how haters live their lives inside the bubble.

"once one person has said what TTF wants him to say, all conversation must end"

One person? You wish! FACTS AHEAD:

People who no longer support the ex-gay movement

-Günter Baum originally founded an ex-gay ministry in Germany. Later he formed Zwischenraum, which helps gay Christians to accept their sexuality and to reconcile it with their beliefs.

-Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper, co-founders of Exodus International, left the organization and in 1979, held a life commitment ceremony. Bussee went on to become an outspoken critic of Exodus and the ex-gay movement.[9][10] In June 2007 Bussee issued an apology for his part in the ex-gay movement.[11]

-Ben Gresham is an Australian man who went through three years of ex-gay therapy starting at sixteen years of age.[12] He does media appearances including ABC TV’s The Hack Half Hour, SX News and Triple J (radio) regarding what he sees as the dangers of ex-gay programs and the psychological harm associated with them.[13] Along with this, Gresham is a part of "Freedom 2 b[e]" which offers support to LGBT people from church backgrounds.

-Noe Gutierrez appeared in Warren Throckmorton's ex-gay video I Do Exist in 2004. This garnered some notice, as Gutierrez had previously appeared in a video for gay youth known as It's Elementary. Gutierrez later left the ex-gay movement and wrote about his experience.[14]

-John Paulk, founder of Focus on the Family's ex-gay ministry Love Won Out and former chariman of Exodus International North America, renounced his claim to ex-gay status, denied that sexual orientation change is effective, and apologized for the harm he had caused in a formal apology in 2013.[15]

-John Smid is the former director of the Memphis, Tennessee ex-gay ministry Love In Action, a position in which he was a leading spokesman for converting homosexuals into heterosexuals.[16] In 2011, years after having left his Love In Action post, he stated that he was homosexual, and that he had "never met a man who experienced a change from homosexual to heterosexual."[17]

-Peterson Toscano is an actor who was involved in the ex-gay movement for 17 years. He performs a related one-man satire titled Doin' Time in the Homo No Mo Halfway House, and with Christine Bakke co-runs Beyond Ex-Gay, a support website for people coming out of ex-gay experiences.

-Anthony Venn-Brown is a former Australian evangelist in the Assemblies of God and an author whose book, A Life of Unlearning describes his experience in Australia's first ex-gay program.[18] Venn-Brown co-founded "Freedom 2b" which offers support to GLBT people from church backgrounds and who have been displaced from the ex gay movement.[19] In 2007 he co-ordinated the release of a statement from five Australian ex-gay leaders who publicly apologized for their past actions.[20] Anthony Venn-Brown has been a leader in monitoring ex-gay activities in Australia New Zealand and Asia and countering the “ex-gay myth.[21]


Even the CRC's former expert witness has changed is view:

-Warren Throckmorton is a past president of the American Mental Health Counselors Association. He wrote and produced the documentary I Do Exist about ex-gay people,[34] but subsequently came to "believe that categorical change in sexual attractions, especially for men, is rare"[35] and repudiated some of the claims he made in the film.[34]

And don't forget Robert Spitzer, Psychiatrist Behind Retracted 'Ex-Gay' Study, Apologizes To Gay Community, Patients

April 29, 2013 10:02 AM  
Anonymous svelte_brunette said...

Theresa crowed:

“I was roundly berated here for insisting that believing you could accomplish something was absolutely key and crucial in accomplishing it...

and that telling your kids " you can do anything you want to" was wrong.

turns out, this guy just wrote a book that seems to support my position...


negativity should not rule ! (unless you are dealing with Priya, who will never attempt to achieve because Priya has decided that Priya is not capable of performing)....

and that's my point ! It's the decision and the attitude that so outweighs capability.”


Does anyone else find it ironic that Theresa should be the one advocating positivity and building people up so they can reach their full potential?

I mean, after she and her friends have spent much of their precious and limited free time over the last five years doing everything they can to marginalize trans people, and putting up a website (notmyshower.com) that does its best to convince people that trans folks are mentally ill, disease ridden prostitutes that are indistinguishable from cross-dressing rapist that are going to molest you and your little girls in public restrooms, and they should be kept as far a way as possible from the rest of society (because to do otherwise would be an infringement on “liberty,”) NOW you’re complaining that one of these trans people was on welfare, in another country, some years ago. What’s the matter – tired of your bogus lawsuits against Dana going nowhere so you had to find another trans woman to pick on, and make Priya a pariah?

*IF* you really believe that people can accomplish anything they can if they *believe* they can and have the right attitude, then you must also recognize that REPEATEDLY telling people they are mentally ill, a sexual deviant, an affront to God, unstable, perhaps even a possible terrorist, out to “take their liberty,” not safe to be allowed in the general public, and likely to die of AIDS, that this might impact their attitude negatively, and make them less productive and capable of performing.

Many, if not most of my friends have lost their jobs because of transition. Much of this can be explained by the grossly negative portrait of trans people that Christians have gone out of their way to paint. If you TRULY BELIEVE that a positive attitude, garnered with the right support from parents and society can help people grow to be happy and productive citizens, then you will stop, make a careful assessment of what you’ve been doing, and then convince your friends to take down the anti-trans CRG website; and next year you will work to get the anti-discrimination laws to INCLUDE trans people, rather than fighting against it. To do otherwise would simply make you a hypocrite. Perhaps you might even consider apologizing to the trans community.

If you can’t do all that, at least take a stab at trying to explain how a group of people you and your friends have been publicly maligning and conflating with pedophiles for at least half a decade are supposed to find jobs where everyone thinks they are a potential sexual assailant. And then explain how they are supposed to stay off welfare under those circumstances.

I’d love to hear your explanation. Take your time. I’ll make popcorn. This oughta be good.

Have a nice day,

Cynthia

April 29, 2013 10:20 AM  
Anonymous Robert said...

"Ex-gay" therapies and programs are so radically harmful, and intrinsically meanspirited, that they should be illegal; they are certainly unethical.

One can make the argument that adults should be entitled to engage in whatever activity they choose, so long as it isn't harmful to others.

My counterargument is that involvement in "ex-gay" activities is, by its very nature, coerced, though that might be a bit of a stretch.

April 29, 2013 10:24 AM  
Anonymous Robert said...

Give Theresa credit for her inclusiveness: she maligns gay people and poor people as well as trans people.

April 29, 2013 10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""Ex-gay" therapies and programs are so radically harmful"

just curious, Robert

do you think your mental problems were a result of reparative therapy or did you have them prior to that?

April 29, 2013 10:41 AM  
Anonymous Gerald Fitzpatrick said...

"To explain, Anon had a comment that was so incredibly brilliant and well thought out, comparing homosexuality to bestiality -- which he even created a new spelling for -- that he posted the same exact comment nine times."

now, Jim, you know as well as me that none of those posts beastiality, or its closely related activity, bestiality

what are you trying to pull here?

"Liberal commentors were humiliated by the first posting of the comment, and out of fear of mass suicides reducing the ranks of the Democratic Party I decided to level the playing field by deleting eight of the nine repetitions of the same incisive and philosophically insightful comment."

this is a pretty funny comment so I'll just let it go

"Gerald, I do not see any recent comments in the spam folder, maybe you should try again."

maybe I neglected to click publish

probably just as well if the liberals are starting to get suicidal

April 29, 2013 10:47 AM  
Anonymous Cedric Crawley said...

Blimey!

I had not a notion that Robert is bonkers. Is he institutionalized? Does he comment from a bedlam?

This log is certainly awash with colorful characters.

First, there was the incivil character who continually questioned the work activities of others and who turned out to have not had a job in decades.

And, now, this fascinating development.

April 29, 2013 3:04 PM  
Anonymous Gerald Fitzpatrick said...

"Many, if not most of my friends have lost their jobs because of transition. Much of this can be explained by the grossly negative portrait of trans people that Christians have gone out of their way to paint."

oh, come on, Cynthia

Christians aren't to blame

most people find trans weird

and it has nothing to do with Christians

Bible-believing Christians would be sympathetic, if anything, since the Bible always portrays eunuchs, guys who have their male sexual organs removed, sympathetically

see Acts 8:26-40

April 29, 2013 3:15 PM  
Anonymous Dingus Hatfield said...

what?!?!?

Robert's nuts

I just thought he didn't make a lick of sense because he couldn't get it out

now, I'll figger everything he says different

April 29, 2013 3:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This log is certainly awash with colorful characters"

you don't the half of it, Cedric

there have been some real Dickensian miscreants commenting here in the past

April 29, 2013 6:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.inplainsite.org/what_happened_when_the_praying.html

April 29, 2013 10:00 PM  
Blogger Patrick Fitzgerald said...

Sociopathanon: "So in 2003, I left the public ministry and gave up my role as a spokesman for the “ex-beastiaist movement.” I began a new journey. In the decade since, my beliefs have changed. Today, I do not consider myself “ex-beastialist” and I no longer support or promote the movement. Please allow me to be clear: I do not believe that reparative therapy changes sexual orientation; in fact, it does great harm to many people.
… …
Today, I see beastialists for who they are–beloved, cherished children of God. I offer my most sincere and heartfelt apology to men, women, and especially children and teens who felt unlovable, unworthy, shamed or thrown away by God or the church."

---
Oh, Anon, I’m just not feeling it. You’re a talented hater but you’re phoning it in. Don’t get me wrong, it was a gallant effort to think outside the talking point, but it just doesn’t quite encapsulate the true depth of your blisteringly passionate disgust for the LGBT people of the world like it should.

To be honest, it was so bland I could vomit.

Try it like this:

"So in 2003, I left the public ministry and gave up my role as a spokesman for the “ex-bm eating movement.” I began a new journey. In the decade since, my beliefs have changed. Today, I do not consider myself an “ex-bm eater” and I no longer support or promote the ex-bm eating movement. Please allow me to be clear: I do not believe that omnivorous eating therapy changes one’s craving to feast on bowel movements; in fact, it does great harm to many bowel movement eaters.
… …
Today, I see bm-eaters for who they are–beloved, cherished children of God. I offer my most sincere and heartfelt apology to bm-eating men, bm-eating women, and especially bm-eating children and teens who felt unlovable, unworthy, shamed or thrown away by God or the church.

Ah, blessed freedom. Never again will I hide my sh*t eating grin."
--
And that, my dear haters, is how it’s done.

April 30, 2013 5:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, Patrick, I did nine different versions with other characteristics than beastiality inserted just to demonstrate the inanity of this guy's statement but Jim deleted them all because they were more effective at making my point

if people believe that homosexuality is wrong, that doesn't equate with hate

if people who are tempted by desires for sexual relations with their own gender and want to overcome it, that doesn't equate with hate

if people want to help people who want to overcome, that doesn't equate with hate

I did all the substitutions to demonstrate that only homosexuality is given this status by some

any other type of self-improvement one might seek is fine, but homosexuality has become some kind of sacred cause

I'm fine with allowing consenting adults to do as they will

but the lunatic fringe is trying to turn homosexuality into a cult

once you're in, there's no way out that doesn't invite attack by the truly faithful

April 30, 2013 6:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean like this "attack by the truly faithful"??

April 30, 2013 8:00 AM  
Anonymous have a nice day!! said...

no, I'm talking about the sacredness of homosexuality

polls show 70% of smokers want to quit

50% try

of those, only 5% quit

most of those 5% will eventually smoke again

are programs to help people quit smoking run by haters?

trying to give hope to people who have no good chance of succeeding?

April 30, 2013 8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You believe in the sacredness of homophobia and have been exhibiting yours proudly for years.

Take your meds, Cedric-Dingus-Gerald-Anon.

April 30, 2013 9:09 AM  
Anonymous Robert said...

Being involved in reparative therapy seriously exacerbated my bipolar disorder, as I have testified. Since I left it, I've been well.

The snake-oil-salemens of the "ex-gay" movement prey on vulnerable people, and make people's lives harder.

April 30, 2013 9:44 AM  
Anonymous have a real nice day!! said...

"You believe in the sacredness of homophobia and have been exhibiting yours proudly for years.

Take your meds, Cedric-Dingus-Gerald-Anon."

brilliantly evasive rejoinder

thanks for letting us know, in your own special way, that you have no argument with the idea that the desire to overcome same gender attraction is no different than any other pursuit of self-improvement

"Being involved in reparative therapy seriously exacerbated my bipolar disorder, as I have testified. Since I left it, I've been well."

so, you had mental problems before reparative therapy, it got worse during therapy, and now you're well

when that happens with chemo, they call it remission

sounds like, if nothing else, reparative therapy cured your bi-polar problems

certainly, there were no long-term problems because you went through it

right?

"The snake-oil-salemens of the "ex-gay" movement prey on vulnerable people,"

"vulnerable", as in, they want to leave the homosexual cult

"and make people's lives harder."

sounds like your life got better after going through it

you're a disturbingly ungrateful
little cuss

April 30, 2013 11:54 AM  
Anonymous TTF is disgusting said...

"If I talk, maybe people will make sure it won't happen again."

That's what 20-year-old Desiree Hawkins said last week as she recounted the horror of visiting abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell. The jury in Gosnell's trial for the alleged murders of multiple babies and one woman heard closing arguments Monday afternoon, but they won't hear from Hawkins.

Hawkins was forced to relive the nightmare of Gosnell's house of horrors when she was contacted by a Drug Enforcement Administration agent. The agent told her that one of the severed feet found in jars at the clinic belonged to her aborted baby. She was set to testify as a rebuttal witness against Gosnell until he chose to not take the stand.

When she was 16, Hawkins sought an abortion at a National Abortion Federation-certified abortion clinic, Hagerstown Reproductive Health Services. The clinic told her she was 19 weeks pregnant and referred her to Gosnell. When she recently retrieved her file in anticipation of testifying, she was shocked that her sonogram showed she had in fact been at 21 weeks, which meant she would have been 23 weeks pregnant by the time Gosnell performed the abortion. "I was so overwhelmed and hurt," said Hawkins. "If I had known I was 23 weeks, I would have (chosen) adoption."

She also would have avoided the trauma visited upon her by Gosnell. Hawkins described the licensed medical professional as laughing at her during the procedure as she cried and begged him to stop because of the pain. "Stop being a baby," he said.

Hawkins experienced betrayal anew when she read the grand jury report replete with testimony of government officials admitting they ignored repeated complaints about Gosnell because they didn't want to limit access to abortion.

Said Hawkins, "What really got me was when the (health department official) just said, 'People die.' They just decided to look the other way." She is passionate that "someone needs to make sure all states' departments of health ... are preventing this from happening."

April 30, 2013 12:57 PM  
Anonymous TTF is disgusting said...

Abortion rights advocates have asserted that Gosnell was an "extreme outlier". But how could they possibly know that this is an aberration?

Last week, Ohio officials shut down an abortion clinic after inspectors found that a medical assistant administered narcotics to five patients, that narcotics and powerful sedatives weren't properly accounted for, that pharmacy licenses had expired and that four staff members hadn't been screened for a communicable disease.

This month, a Delaware TV station reported that two Planned Parenthood nurses resigned in protest over conditions at a clinic there. One nurse, Jayne Mitchell-Werbrich, said, "It was just unsafe. I couldn't tell you how ridiculously unsafe it was."

Last month, Maryland officials shut down three abortion clinics, two for failings in their equipment and training to deal with life-threatening complications.

Last year, an Associated Press investigation found that Illinois hadn't inspected some abortion clinics for 10 to 15 years. After state health officials reinvigorated their clinic inspections in the wake of Gosnell, inspectors closed two clinics.

Such problems wouldn't be a shock to Pennsylvania state Rep. Margo Davidson, the only member of the Democratic black caucus to vote for the abortion-regulation bill passed there. She told me, "We don't know how many (Gosnells) there are. I'm not trying to overturn Roe v. Wade, but if a woman makes this difficult choice, she should at least be afforded the highest level of care." She said the choice community knew what was going on and did nothing.

Indeed, the grand jury found that the National Abortion Federation inspected Gosnell's clinic, refused to certify him, but didn't tell anyone. Pennsylvania Planned Parenthood representative Dayle Steinberg has admitted that its officials knew the clinic was unsafe after women complained. What did they do? "We would always encourage them to report it to the Department of Health."

Davidson concluded that for the choice community, "the institution was more important than the individual lives." Davidson knows firsthand what can happen when people choose to look the other way: Her 22-year-old cousin died after an abortion at Gosnell's clinic.

April 30, 2013 1:00 PM  
Anonymous TTF is disgusting said...

Addressing a meeting of Planned Parenthood last Friday, President Obama accused pro-lifers of wanting to "turn back the clock to policies more suited to the 1950s than the 21st century."

Like any decade, the '50s had its problems -- racism, discrimination, sexism -- but I'll defend the '50s on other grounds, if the president will defend the decade that followed.

In the '50s, for much of mainstream America drugs were something you bought at a pharmacy with a prescription; living together meant getting married first, then having babies; abortion was not legal; our culture wasn't the enemy; metal detectors were instruments one took to the beach to find loose change and schools and the streets were mostly safe.

Planned Parenthood spends a lot on electing liberal Democrats to office. It can afford to.

It's "Ozzie and Harriet" vs. Woodstock.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell is on trial now in a Philadelphia courtroom indicted on charges that he performed late-term abortions and killed babies born alive during the procedures.

Is this the 21 century the president prefers?

It is actions like this -- not the policies of the '50s -- that have weakened America and harmed the women the president claims to be defending.

How many women has the president talked to who lament their abortions and say they would have made another choice, if they had been shown alternatives?

Does the president champion the rights of these women?

According to FactCheck.org, as an Illinois state senator, Obama twice voted against the so-called "born-alive" bills that would have "defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a 'born alive infant' entitled to legal protection."

He opposed the bills, he said, "as backdoor attacks on a woman's legal right to abortion." He chose politics, not lives.

In his speech to Planned Parenthood, the president never mentioned the word "abortion," preferring to talk instead about "women's health."

The president and Planned Parenthood's other defenders claim that if the organization were to be denied tax dollars, there would be fewer mammograms, cancer screenings and other services available, especially to poor women. Is this anything more than a distraction from Planned Parenthood's real purpose -- providing abortions?

According to analysis from the Chiaroscuro Foundation, a not-for-profit organization seeking to reduce the number of abortions in New York, Planned Parenthood "provides more abortions than any other organization in the United States, about one of every four U.S. abortions."

"Planned Parenthood's bottom line is numbers," according to a 2011 op-ed for The Hill newspaper written by former clinic director Abby Johnson, "And, with abortion as its primary money-maker, that means implementing a quota. ... I was directed to double the numbers of abortions our clinic performed in order to drive up revenue."

Planned Parenthood spends a lot on electing liberal Democrats to office. It can afford to.

According to its 2011-2012 annual report, the organization reported more than $1.2 billion in net assets and received a record $542 million in taxpayer funding.

Planned Parenthood and the left are inextricably linked. The organization works to elect Democratic candidates who will defend their mission and those candidates, once elected, fuel Planned Parenthood's agenda by funneling tax dollars their way and trumpeting their "good works" in the name of women's health. And millions of American children are aborted.

This is what the 21st century has to offer us? This is what we should prefer over the '50s?

April 30, 2013 1:06 PM  
Anonymous randy slob said...

The accused Boston Marathon bombers' family pulled in more than $100,000 in welfare up until 2012, The Boston Herald reported.

The benefits included food stamps, Section 8 housing and stipends, the report said. One person with knowledge of the documents that will be handed over to the House Post Audit and Oversight Committee told the paper, "the breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning."

April 30, 2013 1:17 PM  
Anonymous A nice day, have you!! said...

sweet silence from the rabble

April 30, 2013 3:50 PM  
Anonymous !! said...

that should be the end of it!!

April 30, 2013 4:16 PM  
Anonymous Barry isn't having a nice day! said...

WASHINGTON -- The sunny, confident President Barack Obama was nowhere in sight at the podium in the White House press room Tuesday morning. In his place was a glum character, whose gloomy demeanor matched the lack of motion he was discussing -- and the many obstacles (from Republicans to Russians) he complained were in his way.

The president said, “Maybe I should just pack up and go home.” It was a joke, of course, but awkward, as no one laughed and, judging from his attitude, it seemed as though he wished he could.

Only when asked about Jason Collins did the president become animated and eager to respond. Obama praised the NBA center for coming out of the closet and said that the American people should be proud of how many gays there are in the country.

April 30, 2013 4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, I would say you have embarrassed yourself on this thread with lame analogies, pitiful attempts to associate good arguments with weak figures, and bizarre changes of subject.

The post is about an ex-gay leader who admitted he is not ex-gay at all and apologized to everyone for misleading them. He is not the first, in fact there are very many more ex-ex-gays than ex-gays.

Your casting about with comments about the Boston bombers as welfare recipients and a homicidal criminal butcher as mainstream abortion provider are off topic and frankly stupid. i am not surprised that no one wants to respond to you.

April 30, 2013 4:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Give Theresa credit for her inclusiveness: she maligns gay people and poor people as well as trans people."

Nope, not poor people. Just poor people who don't want to work and sit on their butts blogging all day while insisting that folks who are working pay more in taxes to support their indulgent and lazy lifestyle.

April 30, 2013 5:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cynthia.
Priya said that Priya found work "demoralizing". Not that Priya couldn't get work.
there is a difference. a BIG difference.

And the CRG movement was about getting reasonable exceptions (for places of shared nudity, etc, etc) added to the law. I am somewhat tired of rehashing this, but as you are well aware, the signatures were certified for the ballot after which MD change the rules not once but twice on how to count signatures. To allow referendums the liberal judges liked and disallow those they did not. It was totally unbelievable (actually quite believable given that it is MD).

April 30, 2013 5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anon, I would say you have embarrassed yourself on this thread with lame analogies, pitiful attempts to associate good arguments with weak figures, and bizarre changes of subject."

A-hole, I would say if you could be specific, you would. You won't take the risk of looking stupid (er).

This blog is a multi-faceted discussion. As event unfold, they are discussed.

"The post is about an ex-gay leader who admitted he is not ex-gay at all and apologized to everyone for misleading them. He is not the first, in fact there are very many more ex-ex-gays than ex-gays."

Similarly, there are very many more ex-ex-gays who aren't around anymore because they indulged a dangerous lifestyle and contracted an invariably fatal illness.

So some guy tried to overcome deviant attraction to the same gender and couldn't control himself.

So what?

"Your casting about with comments about the Boston bombers as welfare recipients and a homicidal criminal butcher as mainstream abortion provider are off topic and frankly stupid."

When you're appointed the topic monitor of the blog, let us know.

Requiring those who receive welfare to perform some community service would prevent idleness and, perhaps, prevented these two from having the free time to concoct their nefarious event.

Everyone so convinced that enacting background checks would prevent violence. Ending idleness would likely be more effective.

"i am not surprised that no one wants to respond to you."

Me neither. Who wants to lose an argument?

I have but one word of advice for anyone thinking of debating me.

Don't.


April 30, 2013 8:17 PM  
Anonymous Kindness said...

Anon complaining about idleness: "Requiring those who receive welfare to perform some community service would prevent idleness and - "

Anyone reading this blog sees that Anon posts dozens of comments per day during work hours. There are several possibilities: Anon is unemployed, perhaps using a library computer; Anon has a job that pays him to troll blogs all day; or Anon is taking a paycheck and goofing off eight hours a day, complaining that idle people are the cause of society's problems.

April 30, 2013 8:31 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Kindness, Jim explained one day that no one is really anonymous on the internet and he knows the name of the company that owns the computer that bad anonymous posts from. When someone suggested Jim call that company and tell them bad anonymous was using their computer to troll the internet all day he said he couldn't see costing anyone their job over politics.

So, bad anonymous isn't paid to troll blogs, he's paid to do real work but takes his paycheck to goof off eight hours a day.

As you can see, he really sets a record for hypocrisy.

----------------

Theresa, I never said it was a matter that I couldn't get work, it was that I was unable to work.

My only regret is that you never had to contribute any of your taxes to help support me. Nothing worse than a rich B making $200,000 a year and whining she can't get by so she needs to take away the $7,000 per year the average welfare recipient gets ( a family of three)

April 30, 2013 8:57 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

And I'll guarantee bad anonymous is paid a lot more to goof off than the $9,000 per year the Tsarnaev family got in welfare benefits.

April 30, 2013 9:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you really don't get it, do you Priya ?

there is a concept called EARNING what you work for...

It's not the government's money !

It is the person that earned it !
Argue this one.
================

So, I was talking to this little girl Catherine, the daughter of some friends, and she said she wanted to be President some day.

Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there with us - and I asked Catherine - "If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?"

Catherine replied - "I would give houses to all the homeless people."

"Wow - what a worthy goal you have there, Catherine." I told her, "You don't have to wait until you're President to do that, you can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in my back yard and I will pay you $5. Then we can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $5 to use for a new house."

Catherine thought that over for a second, while her mom looked at me seething, and Catherine replied, "why doesn't the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop and you can just pay him the $5?"

And I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

April 30, 2013 9:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and I am putting 3 children through college Priya while the govt takes 1/2 of everything I earn.

college is expensive. so yes, I resent the outrageous confiscation.

and I haven't checked the stats on this dual income site you think I am obsessed with... I actually haven't even logged back in since I got so angry one evening (while on business travel) watching friggin Obama say I wasn't paying my fair share that I threw it up ...
I already had the spreadsheet, I had run the numbers ages ago.

took all of about 2.5 hours.

April 30, 2013 9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Theresa, I never said it was a matter that I couldn't get work, it was that I was unable to work."

and sorry, I don't accept that you are unable to work.
you can type, you have a computer, you have an internet connection.

why don't you try it ?
you might decide it is not so bad after all.

April 30, 2013 9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, a lot of umbrage at the idea that those who take from society should, at least, give back what they can

the Boston bombers and the guy who shot up Newtown had one thing in common

and it wasn't guns

it was that the government paid them to not work and they used the time to endlessly search the internet to gain information and encouragement for their evil plans

if you're so willing to take everyone's rights in order to keep guns out of the hands of nuts, why not prevent the idle from surfing the internet

I'm not in favor of either but I don't how one could consistently hold one position without holding the other

and, yes, those on welfare for long periods should be assigned some community service in exchange for the help, for their own good as well as society's

there are few that disagree

one problem with government entitlements is that it removes the personal component of charity

a perfect example is this:

"My only regret is that you never had to contribute any of your taxes to help support me. Nothing worse than a rich B making $200,000 a year and whining she can't get by so she needs to take away the $7,000 per year the average welfare recipient gets ( a family of three)"

the appropriate response to charity should be gratitude

write some rich Canadian a thank you note, Priya

you might feel better about yourself

have a nice day!!

April 30, 2013 9:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WASHINGTON — The Plan B morning-after pill is moving over-the-counter, a decision announced by the Food and Drug Administration just days before a court-imposed deadline.

On Tuesday, the FDA lowered to 15 the age at which girls and women can buy the emergency contraceptive without a prescription — and said it no longer has to be kept behind pharmacy counters.

Instead, the pill can sit on drugstore shelves just like condoms, but that buyers would have to prove their age at the cash register.

Earlier this month, a federal judge had ruled there should be no age restrictions and gave the FDA 30 days to act. The FDA said its latest decision was independent of the court case.

May 01, 2013 8:23 AM  
Anonymous hardy-har-har said...

thanks, we already read the news

is there a comment, or is this a typical thoughtless TTF post?

May 01, 2013 9:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"thanks, we already read the news"

Everyone knew the change in how to obtain Plan B was coming and the few lines above simply shows that change has been made and what it was. Girls over 15 years of age can now purchase Plan B without prescription.

You'd think people who want to rant about the Gosnell case, which we already knew about from reading the news, including the fact 3 charges have been dropped by the judge for lack of evidence, would be happy that Plan B will cut down on the need for abortion.

We should all agree that reducing the need for abortion and preventing teen pregnancy are good things.

May 01, 2013 9:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah!

Even a hardy har man should agree to that!

May 01, 2013 9:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"On Monday, Jason Collins made history as the first openly gay, active male athlete on a major sports team. In his coming-out piece for Sports Illustrated, Collins acknowledged that he wore the number 98 while playing for the Boston Celtics as a tribute to Matthew Shepard, the 21-year-old University of Wyoming student who was murdered for being gay in October 1998.

In an interview with Fox Sports, Shepard’s parents, Dennis and Judy, revealed that they were moved to tears by the news of Collins’ tribute:

“It made me cry,” Judy Shepard told FOXSports.com during an interview Monday afternoon. “It was really quite a tribute, and I was very honored. And I know Matt would be thrilled…”

“I would really love to speak to him, because I know Judy and I would just like to thank him,” Dennis Shepard said. “Because, No. 1, he had the courage to come out, period, and No. 2 that he wore 98 in honor of Matt, the year that he died.

“(Collins) couldn’t have been that old (when it happened), so it must have had a tremendous impact on him, the story behind Matt, for him to want to do that. And then to wear it all this time without telling people why until today, that’s incredible.”

Judy Shepard went on to say that she is hopeful that Collins’ presence in sports can inspire a new conversation about gay rights with a new audience, calling his coming out “a remarkable step forward”:

“It’s a whole different world now from when we first started doing this,” Judy Shepard said. “It’s remarkable in the big picture how fast things have changed, especially since Obama became president. It’s just moved right along at light speed, and it’s really been quite remarkable.”

But to see that motion toward change come in the world of sports, an arena that’s somewhat lacking when it comes to gay rights, was particularly meaningful.

“Hopefully this will start the conversation saying there’s no difference, as long as my team wins, who cares if they’re straight or gay?” Dennis Shepard said. “There have been a lot of athletes that played and were gay, and I have a feeling their teammates knew it and they just didn’t care.”

Added Judy Shepard: “It’s always more challenging in team sports to have the courage to (come out), and I think that once the doors open, the floodgates will literally open. And not just in pro sports, but college and all down the line. It’s just a remarkable step forward.”"

May 01, 2013 9:40 AM  
Anonymous have a nice one!!! said...

"Judy Shepard went on to say that she is hopeful that Collins’ presence in sports can inspire a new conversation about gay rights with a new audience"

pretty stupid statement

gays have all the rights every other citizen has

and there is no evidence the NBA has discriminated against homosexuals

indeed, the WNBA is filled with them

truth is, Collins is a mediocre player who was not in the Wizards' plans for next year and was unlikely to be picked up anywhere else

rather than being courageous, this is likely a ploy for sympathy, hoping the NBA will find some way to artificially extend his career to avoid the appearance the discriminate against gays

pathetic

"Everyone knew the change in how to obtain Plan B was coming and the few lines above simply shows that change has been made and what it was. Girls over 15 years of age can now purchase Plan B without prescription."

this was all over the news yesterday and is really not significant if this pill prevents pregnancy rather than terminates it

the Gosnell story, in and of itself, refutes the standard liberal line that allowing women to kill their unborn children will prevent unsafe abortions

May 01, 2013 9:59 AM  
Anonymous Inconvenient facts said...

"prevent unsafe abortions"

The Hyde Amendment made abortion less safe for poor women as detailed from the account of a woman who "worked as a hotline counselor on the toll-free line at the National Abortion Federation" in the mid 1990s:

"Even though I could not see the callers, I could tell certain things about them by the way they spoke, their accents, the circumstances they described. They were often poor, or disadvantaged, or minority young women with huge obstacles to success in their lives. There was no redemption in their stories, at least not when I spoke to them. Some were frank and open, spilling details about how they got pregnant. Others were businesslike and clipped in their speech. Some cried. Most did not.

Their unifying factor was a lack of control over what had happened to them sexually. Sometimes it was teenage stupidity. Sometimes it was more sinister, like violence, or molestation. Sometimes it was just bad luck....

...If they were worried about money, we talked about their options. Did they have any savings? Could they borrow from a friend or family member? Could they save money from their jobs? Sadly, this was what forced many women into later-term abortions than they wanted: denial, fear and lack of money. The longer it took to save money, the more expensive the procedure became. From $300 for a 12-week abortion, the costs would skyrocket to the $2,000 range and beyond by 20 weeks. I could now understand why late-term abortion was needed by so many women...

...A few conversations stand out in my memory. One was a woman who called me repeatedly from a shelter where she and her four children had sought refuge from her violent partner. She told me her name was Jamie, and she needed help to pay for the procedure. I did my best to get a private group of funders interested in her story. I never learned the outcome."

May 01, 2013 1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, how heartbreaking

and how did killing the kid help anything?

they can put the kid up for adoption

at least it would be alive

"Their unifying factor was a lack of control over what had happened to them sexually"

yeah, just think of the lack of control unborn babies have over what happened to them

killed by their mother, thrown in the trash by her doctor, unless it's the creep in Philadelphia who saved fetus parts in a jar like the Governor in Walking Dead

all because they might be too inconvenient and expensive for their mothers

May 01, 2013 1:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...And I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party." "

Wow Theresa! Way to cut and paste an old (2008), stupid joke.

It makes your side look pretty bad when you have to go scrounging around confused fictional children to find GOP supporters.

May 01, 2013 2:51 PM  
Anonymous Another Ex-Ex-Gay said...

Matt Moore, the so-called "ex-gay" Christian blogger who was exposed for being on the gay-dating app Grindr in February, says in a new interview that he wasn’t looking for sex on Grindr: He was looking to meet men in New Orleans to take him to gay bars. Moore has since sold his computer and locked his phone so that he can’t “give in to temptation” again.

“Basically I just wanted to see who was on it and who was around me,” Moore, a 24-year-old a blogger for the Christian Post who has called homosexuality sinful and an abomination, said on my SiriusXM radio program. “I can honestly say that I didn’t have any kind of sexual conversations with anyone. Anyone who sent me any kind of explicit photos or conversations, I blocked immediately. The first time I got on it, I wanted to go out and I wanted to go to the gay bars in New Orleans. So I was trying to meet someone on there to basically tag along with. That was the reason I was originally on it.”

But before Moore could meet anyone, he says, screenshots were posted on the web by blogger Zinnia Jones, soon labeling him across the blogosphere as the “ex-gay” on Grindr, a label he refutes. He said he came forward now, seeking out an interview two months later, to clarify that he does not believe that he is “ex-gay” and that he doesn’t believe reparative therapy makes people heterosexual if they are homosexual.

“I want to clarify some things,” he said. “I think the way the articles were written, they’re based on the assumption that when I became a Christian, I became straight and that I did not have homosexual feelings anymore and that my presence on Grindr was pointing out that I basically lied. I had never, ever said any of those things.”

Moore, who said he once was an “out” gay man and had boyfriends until he turned to evangelical Christianity in 2010, explained that he still is sexually attracted to men and is not sexually attracted to women -- that ‘it’s impossible to change yourself” -- but that he is trying to refrain from acting on his sexual desires because of his religious beliefs.

“I do believe it’s the truth, so, honestly, yes,” he said, when asked if he’s urging all gay people to follow his path. “I stopped going out to gay bars and stuff like that. Most of the relationships that I did have did cease. And I had not been on Grindr or any kind of gay social network until January of this year.”

May 01, 2013 3:42 PM  
Anonymous Forty-seven percent said...



"...And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can’t believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in..."


Was there barbed wire around that Bangladeshi garment factory that collapsed killing over 400 workers, I mean Slave Laborers, too?

Pope Francis Condemns 'Slave Labor' In Bangladesh: 'Goes Against God'

May 01, 2013 3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It makes your side look pretty bad when you have to go scrounging around confused fictional children to find GOP supporters."

I don't think so.
It is the point of the matter.

How long should people who choose not work be supported by people that are working ?

How long should someone stay on welfare before the government cuts them off ? Forever ?

If you continue to provide such disincentive the working why do you believe they will continue to work ?

"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, —the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.'" Thomas Jefferson or loosely interpreted ...

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

you keep throwing insults instead of arguing the point. Nice liberal rationale, as usual.

May 01, 2013 5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It makes your side look pretty bad when you have to go scrounging around confused fictional children to find GOP supporters."

I seem to remember several times when Jim thought it cute to make posts about kids who read poems or make up little songs about the gay rainbow agenda

I guess you thought that made him look pretty bad, huh?

As it is, Theresa's story is completely apropos.

let's say successful people in Canada worked their butt and the government took a chunk of their earnings and gave it to a guy who did nothing for decades but surf the internet and concocted a fantasy that he's really a girl

wouldn't it be fair for that guy to do some of the successful people's work for them? some menial task that the guy could handle?

then, he might have had less time for fantasies and wouldn't have....

May 01, 2013 6:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and no, I am never going to be quiet about this.

I have discovered that someone who has been vehement that they are entitled to the money I WORKED FOR has been on welfare their entire life. If the govt didn't tax so much, this is money I would otherwise have happily used to employ more help maintaining my house as opposed to spending my weekends doing chores.

And yet this person doesn't feel capable of working but believes they are entitled to more of the money I sacrificed time when my children were growing up to earn ? Really ?


but they think I should pay more when they sit on their butts blogging all day.

I didn't make Priya a pariah.
Priya did.

and now I am going back to trying to figure out how my husband and son can spend their weekend figuring out how to fix the very old convertible top on my very old 1999 SAAB. I am doing the internet research, they will do the labor.

the internet does have it uses for other than making bombs, for those of us trying to SUPPORT OURSELVES.

GEEZ.

How can you all support Priya's behavior ? Really ? aren't you ashamed of yourselves ? Do you associate liberals with indolence ?

because by not denouncing this behavior, you are.,

Theresa

May 01, 2013 8:57 PM  
Anonymous Robert said...

Theresa

Lopping a whole bunch of people under the heading "liberals" and ascribing undesirable characteristics to the whole group is intellectually sloppy. It degrades the validity of what you have to say.

rrjr

May 02, 2013 7:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If "those of us trying to SUPPORT OURSELVES" on $250K a year are struggling to make ends meet, imagine how hard top earning bankers must be struggling!

When a million isn’t enough: why top bankers are struggling to get by

A few tidbits:

"...In the US, the top 1% of people earn more than $370k according to the Internal Revenue Service. And yet, some bankers in the top bracket are having money troubles.

“It’s really not that unusual to find Wall Street bankers who are close to declaring themselves bankrupt,” said Gary Goldstein, co-founder of U.S. search firm Whitney Partners. “Some people are really struggling.”

...“You get a lot of people who have a very expensive lifestyle,” said Louise Cooper, a former Goldman Sachs salesperson and financial analyst at Cooper City. “They will always have a nanny, private schools for the children and they will have a very big expensive house. All of this has to be paid for out of taxable income,” she points out. “With a top tax rate of 45% [in Britain], this means that you need to be earning nearly double what you’re spending.”

...Why can’t bankers simply ditch the house in the Hamptons and put their children into state run educational establishments? Unfortunately, this seems easier said than done. “When you work in banking, you end up surrounded by people who earn a lot of money,” said Erika Shapiro, a former fixed income saleswoman at Goldman, Citi, Credit Suisse and UBS who became a yoga instructor. “Everyone around you has a big mortgage and is sending their children to private schools.”

...Cooper said some of the most impoverished-but-wealthy bankers are those with trophy wives. “You’ll get these guys who turn up at work with the girlfriends they’ve had since university, and then suddenly – once they start making a lot of money – they’ll ditch the old university educated girlfriend and find a much more glamorous and good looking woman that they’ve found through work,” she said. Predictably, Cooper said such wives are high maintenance, expecting expensive handbags, expensive shoes, houses in the right areas, expensive education for their children, jewels, nannies and help. “There are lots of lovely men in the City who’ve been with their wives since they were paupers,” said Cooper. “But there are also some who get trapped in relationships where the deal is that they have to earn a lot of money.”

...So what can you do if you’re a banker who’s lost all sense of financial perspective and can’t make ends meet on £1m? Get some perspective, is the widely advocated answer.

“Remember how little you needed to live happily when you were a student,” said Oliver James, a clinical psychologist and author of the book ‘Affluenza’. “People tend to think of their wants as needs,” James added. “But our real needs are actually very basic – you need food, warmth and maybe light, and you need to feel emotionally secure.”

The best antidote to over-spending is to retain a single partner for life, said Cooper: it helps put things in context. Alternatively, try cultivating friendships outside of banking. “I always had a lot of hobbies which brought me into contact with people from different walks of life,” said Shapiro. “I always knew people who earned £25k-30k a year.”

Finally, there’s always therapy. Montgomery said a lot of people in banking formed insecure attachments to their parents as children. This makes them overly-competitive and ostentatious, she said. “When you’re insecure, you can take refuge in a kind of grandiosity in which you say ‘at least I’m earning a lot and going to these kinds of expensive places,” said Montgomery. “You can only get over this kind of thing with intense therapy,” she added."

May 02, 2013 12:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

actually, it's very common for Jim and his gang to do that, Robert, and you've never objected

of course, I realize TTF is involved in such a sacred cause, the advocacy of the criminalization of the dislike of homosexuality, that anything is justified to accomplish it

May 02, 2013 12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"TTF is involved in such a sacred cause, the advocacy of the criminalization of the dislike of homosexuality"

Better a sacred cause than a hateful one.

Let's see a show of hands:

How many readers think Matthew Shepard or Brandon Teena died due to "the dislike of homosexuality"?

TTF fought to put reliable medical information about homosexuality into the sex ed program at MCPS while the CRC advocated to keep the medically inaccurate, outdated former sex ed program that had been in place for more than a decade, as the only information given to our students.

MCPS now uses the TTF-supported medically accurate updated sex ed program.

TTF also fought to expand the MoCo non-discrimination law to include gender identity while the CRC morphed into showernuts and advocated to allow county citizens to continue such discrimination

MoCo now protects citizens from discrimination on the basis of their gender identity.

May 02, 2013 4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Theresa
Lopping a whole bunch of people under the heading "liberals" and ascribing undesirable characteristics to the whole group is intellectually sloppy. It degrades the validity of what you have to say. rrjr"

well at least you admit that they are undesirable characteristics. I guess that is a start.

May 02, 2013 5:28 PM  
Anonymous HAVE A NICE DAY!!! said...

"Better a sacred cause than a hateful one"

a world where hatred is against the law will be a scary place

it's how people are repressed in communist countries for "anti-social tendencies"

"Let's see a show of hands:

How many readers think Matthew Shepard or Brandon Teena died due to "the dislike of homosexuality"?"

I don't see any hands

I think Matthew Shepard died because he spent his time hanging out in seedy bars trying to pick up rednecks

he might have been safer getting involved with a young adult group at the local church

"TTF fought to put reliable medical information about homosexuality into the sex ed program at MCPS"

not really

the curriculum they pushed was a treacly fairy tale that is not based on peer reviewed, replicated science

"while the CRC advocated to keep the medically inaccurate, outdated former sex ed program that had been in place for more than a decade, as the only information given to our students."

a decade, you say

sounds terribly dated

I guess TTF's pushed curriculum will soon be dated, as well

could you tell us one "medically inaccurate" fact in the previous curriculum?

give us a second

we like to sit down while we laugh

"MCPS now uses the TTF-supported medically accurate updated sex ed program."

MCPS thought of it before TTF came along

"TTF also fought to expand the MoCo non-discrimination law to include gender identity"

what a bunch of jackasses!!

no one on MC discriminates against anyone based in their gender delusions here

some may chuckle at them but no one is going to refuse to engage in commerce with them

we're capitalists!!!

"while the CRC morphed into showernuts and advocated to allow county citizens to continue such discrimination"

hmmm...Jim Kennedy must have amazing psych-kinetic abilities

he calls someone a name and they morph

maybe he's a witch

"MoCo now protects citizens from discrimination on the basis of their gender identity."

they were fine before

nothing has changed

the only person to ever invoke this egregious law was some loser who wrote the law and used to post here

they got slapped down for ethical violations and slunk away

unnecessary laws are, by definition, bad laws

May 02, 2013 7:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For six weeks, Dr. Kermit Gosnell sat largely impassive, like an invited guest at his murder trial, offering an occasional smile while taking prodigious notes with a spring-green pen.

And yet Gosnell is the center of the "firestorm," as his defense attorney, Jack McMahon, put it in closing arguments Monday, the vortex of the reignited abortion debate four decades after Roe v. Wade.

No matter what the verdict, Gosnell has become the opportunity and the example, the name synonymous in women's reproductive health with everything that can go wrong.

For nearly three hours, Assistant District Attorney Edward Cameron reviewed testimony of all 54 witnesses, their names posted on monitors in red blocks like some woeful Jeopardy! board. "I felt like a fireman in hell," he told the jury in recalling the testimony of one of the doctor's workers.

"That hell was 3801 Lancaster Ave.," Cameron said, referring to the West Philadelphia clinic Gosnell operated, "and he was the captain of that hell."

In his often explosive closing, Gosnell's lawyer cited a "racist prosecution" and "a tsunami of simplistic press and rhetoric," and warned that the prosecution had engaged in "the most extraordinary hype and exaggeration in the history of the justice system."

What is not in debate is that Gosnell routinely ignored state regulations. For years, he operated, without any proper inspections, a back-alley abortion mill at a time of legal abortion. That back alley just happened to be Lancaster Avenue.

The woefully misnamed Women's Medical Society served poor, desperate clients, many of them girls, and was staffed by uneducated and unskilled workers - all but one have pleaded guilty - operating faulty equipment.

The trial has been exhausting and punishing, a ghastly forum for graphic photographs and testimony. There were references to "the cellphone baby," "the toilet baby," "the whining baby," and one witness testified that the doctor joked, "That baby is big enough to walk me to the bus stop." The antiquated, battered machinery has been in the courtroom for the duration. At one point Monday, Cameron brandished a stained, torn transvaginal ultrasound wand.

Gosnell declined to take the stand, yet he has provided fresh ammunition abortion opponents, who referred to the case while drafting a barrage of restrictive legislation to reproductive health in Harrisburg and other state capitals. There have been almost 700 provisions alone in the first three months of this year, according to the Guttmacher Institute, the policy center that advocates for sexual and reproductive health. Arkansas banned abortions after 12 weeks, and North Dakota banned them once a fetal heartbeat is "detectable," as early as six weeks.

On Friday, President Obama, ou of touch with reality, as usual, became the first sitting president to address Planned Parenthood. He criticized the new laws as "absurd" and "an assault on women's rights."

The national press and abortion opponents returned to the courtroom this week. Fox News has scheduled an hour-long special Sunday on the case, See No Evil. Gosnell and abortion rights will surely be debated in Pennsylvania's gubernatorial race between abortion-opponent Gov. Corbett and the Democratic front-runner, Rep. Allyson Y. Schwartz, who once ran an abortion clinic.

On Tuesday, the jury began deliberations. After this verdict, Gosnell faces federal charges of operating an illegal pill mill. His clinic is closed, but his tattered name and brutal legacy are seemingly everywhere.

May 02, 2013 7:58 PM  
Anonymous Kindness said...

Anon, thank you for teaching us the cliche "treacly fairy tale." Google finds nearly two thousands uses of that bromide.

It is not clear why you keep citing the Gosnell trial. A criminal is being brought to justice, it seems. Did you want a different outcome? Did you want the government to prosecute abortion providers who do not commit crimes, as well? Yes, I think you do.

K

May 02, 2013 8:11 PM  
Anonymous hardy har har said...

you're very perceptive

yes, I do think the government should bring all murderers to justice

gee, sorry I couldn't invent a phrase novel enough for your entertainment

actually, the fact that you googled the phrase would seem to imply it was novel to you

you wouldn't have done that for, say, "sea of humanity"

sad

I keep citing the Gosnell trial, to make it perfectly clear, because it disproves the oldest liberal cliché around: that legalizing abortion makes it safe

you won't hear that old canard much anymore

hey, look

someone has sinned against the sacred gay agenda and must be banished to the wilderness:

"Newsweek/Daily Beast chief Tina Brown tweeted on Thursday that the company had parted ways with Howard Kurtz, the news organization's Washington bureau chief.

The news broke hours after The Daily Beast retracted an erroneous blog post Kurtz published about NBA star Jason Collins. Kurtz incorrectly accused Collins, the first openly gay male athlete in a major professional sport, of leaving out the fact that the NBA player was engaged to his former girlfriend at one point in time."

May 02, 2013 8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chafee signs same-sex marriage bill after House gives final OK 56-15

"Gays, lesbians allowed to wed in RI as of Aug. 1
By Ted Nesi, WPRI.com Reporter

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (WPRI) - Same-sex marriage will be legal in Rhode Island starting Aug. 1 after the R.I. House of Representatives gave final approval to the legislation Thursday, thrilling supporters who've been pushing the issue at the State House for 16 years.

Gov. Lincoln Chafee signed the bill into law at a ceremony on the South Steps of the State House Thursday evening, where he was joined by Rhode Island's congressional delegation, state lawmakers and advocates for same-sex marriage. Hundreds of people of all ages gathered on the lawn to watch the event.

"Today we are making history," Chafee, who has backed same-sex marriage since he was a Republican U.S. senator, told the crowd. "I am proud to say that now, at long last, you are free to marry the person you love."..."

May 02, 2013 10:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

watch civilization slowly decline in Rhode Island

May 02, 2013 11:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"they got slapped down for ethical violations and slunk away"

The people who filed the ethics charges got slapped down when Dana Beyer Cleared of Ethics Charges. The showernut charges were found to be bogus. Ask the never-married Ruth Jacobs, she can tell you all about the failure of her personal vendetta

And thank you, Anonymous, for the example you show everyone how typical it is for a hater like you to so easily lie about LGBT people.

May 03, 2013 8:14 AM  
Blogger shaving mirrors said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

May 03, 2013 11:53 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

I thought maybe that last comment was some kind of attempt at humor by our rightwing anonymous troll, but I decided it was actually spam. Pretty good, though!

JimK

May 03, 2013 12:44 PM  
Anonymous that got 'em said...

dude, if it was pretty good, why not leave it up?

if feel like I missed something now

if you can't count on TTF for some entertainment, why good is it?

"The people who filed the ethics charges got slapped down when Dana Beyer Cleared of Ethics Charges. The showernut charges were found to be bogus."

actually, they was no such determination

the judge dismissed everything except the physical assault charge saying both sides, TTF and CRC, were too politically passionate and he didn't trust testimony from either

the physical charge was turned out to not have sufficient evidence to convict, which is not the same as saying it's bogus

I wasn't there so I don't know but let's hope Dana doesn't write a book called "This is How I Would Have Done It, If I Did It"

Dana was slapped down, however, because:

1. Dana couldn't get away with the same antics since everyone was watching Dana's every step going forward.

and

2. Her boss, Duchy, was the sole County Councilman not re-elected.

"Ask the never-married Ruth Jacobs, she can tell you all about the failure of her personal vendetta"

I'm not RJ, have never met her, and have only heard of her on this website

so why does a response to my question include a personal attack on her?

oh, that's right

personal attack is TTF's only argument

can't take that away

they'll get suicidal

"And thank you, Anonymous, for the example you show everyone how typical it is for a hater like you to so easily lie about LGBT people."

the liar would be you

Dana Beyer, an employee of a county councilman, tried to intimidate people exercising their basic right of petition against the boss's bill by telling them they were acting illegally

and so sufficient evidence couldn't be obtained that Dana crossed the line?

it was inappropriate for Dana to be out confronting them anyway

the voters were right to toss Dana's boss out on the curb

we'd had enough of the Dastardly Duo

Have a nice day!!

May 03, 2013 1:27 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

I didn't leave it up because it had links in it that I suspected would make a reader vulnerable to malware.

JimK

May 03, 2013 1:53 PM  
Blogger Patrick Fitzgerald said...

Sociopathanon (probably Theresa): "if people believe that homosexuality is wrong, that doesn't equate with hate

if people who are tempted by desires for sexual relations with their own gender and want to overcome it, that doesn't equate with hate..."

---
Ok, now you’re just making a mockery of hatred itself. Instead of phoning it in, now you’re just mailing it in.

You’ve got the whole *Wah wah, boo hoo, I’m the victim, tolerate my intolerance* thing down, but you’re not selling it! This should be cake, you have the best weapon in your arsenal that anyone in any battle could have -- no moral conscience.

The claim that objection to same-sex attraction is based on "religious belief" has become so cliché that it has not only lost all meaning but needs to be avoided so that people like me are unable to refute it for what it truly means: that we LGBT’s are in reality, heterosexuals who are too *doi doi* stupid to realize it.

Lies, dehumanization and anti-gay made up propaganda not withstanding, that’s where the hatred lies, in not respecting us enough to say that to our faces.

A more effective tack is to go on the offense with an accusation so dizzyingly shocking as to create and burst brain aneurisms in anyone who even contemplates challenging it.

The best victimhood strategy I have seen so far is the allegation of genocide.

Let me explain. Since your idea of Christianity is based on the need to feel superior to others, and LGBT persons are unabashedly unrepentant of their sin, Christians who consider LGBT persons equally human are no longer Christians, thereby making our equality agenda an organized scheme to wipe Christianity off the face of the map.

Take a cue from the experts. They have decades of experience that stretch far beyond the gay "rights" movement.

You may not be racist, but take it’s contents to heart and make them your own:

KKK_FAQ’s

"Q. What is your number one goal?

A. We want to stop White genocide. This seems absurd to some people. They look around and they don’t see masses of white bodies floating down a river as one might see with the victims of the Rwandan genocide of recent years. They don’t turn on the evening news and see bodies of massacred white people laid out in a field or on a street. They think white genocide is a joke or some crazy idea we have come up with. They don’t take it seriously."


What follows is an extended definition of genocide and chilling examples that match how gays are victimizing the Church:

"Evidence points that the non-whites in America today, mainly the black and the massive Hispanic population are very much anti-white. The blacks of today suffer from Victim Based identity. … In short it means that blacks since birth are taught they are the victims of the white race and they must overcome this by any means."

Like I said, make it your own. Just switch the words anti-whites with anti-heterosexual or anti-Christian, and Blacks and Hispanics with gays or homosexuals.

Paraphrased, but I would be remiss to not include this:

"Q. Why do you think you are so superior to everyone else?

A.…God made us all. We simply believe that the United States of America was founded as a white Christian nation."


Again, just switch it around and make it your own:

"God made us all. We simply believe that He made and makes all humans heterosexual and that love between two humans of the same gender is counterfeit and a perversion of their true heterosexuality."

That way your "beliefs" will at least have the best chance of not being seen as "hateful" because you will be respecting us enough to insult us to our faces.
--
And on a personal note, P.S.

May 03, 2013 2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the judge dismissed everything except the physical assault charge saying both sides, TTF and CRC, were too politically passionate and he didn't trust testimony from either

What judge? And whose testimony was disbelieved?

This case was adjudicated by the County Ethics Commission. The Commission's ruling was pretty straightforward:

"...The Commission found...Mr. Mason’s use of the derogatory term “shim” when referring to Dr. Beyer, evidences a bias against transgendered individuals. Similarly, Mr. Schall displayed a palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgendered individuals which, in the Commission’s judgment, makes his testimony not credible.

...it was not proved that Dr.Beyer violated § 19A-14(e) by intimidating, threatening, coercing or discriminating against any person’s freedom to engage in political activity as a function of being on the job, self-identifying as a public employee, or entailing the prestige of office.

V. CONCLUSION
The complaint is dismissed."


Your inability to stop lying about this bogus and dismissed complaint is evidence of your very own "palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgendered individuals".

May 03, 2013 2:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dana threatened the petition gatherers. Dana said that if sign this petition, your names will be put on a public list. Dana went into the grocery store and implied to the manager that the grocery store would be investigated by the county. The threat to individuals signing is on video tape, for pete's sake.

I am not sure how much of this behavior would be legal for a regular citizen, but it was certainly not okay for a county employee as Dana was at the time.

May 03, 2013 4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liar.

No reputable person testified that any such thing happened. In his handwritten-by-Ruth-Jacobs-statement, Mr. Mason used a "derogatory term" to describe Dr. Beyer, and during his testimony before the Commission, Mr. Schall "displayed a palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgendered individuals." As a result, the Montgomery County Ethics Commission found their testimony to be "not credible" and dismissed the complaint.

May 03, 2013 6:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same Love

[Verse 1: Macklemore]
When I was in the 3rd grade
I thought that I was gay
Cause I could draw, my uncle was
And I kept my room straight
I told my mom, tears rushing down my face
She's like, Ben you've loved girls since before pre-K
Tripping yeah
I guess she had a point, didn't she
A bunch of stereotypes all in my head
I remember doing the math like
Yeah, I'm good at little league
A pre-conceived idea of what it all meant
For those that like the same sex had the characteristics
The right-wing conservatives think it's a decision
And you can be cured with some treatment and religion
Man-made, rewiring of a pre-disposition
Playing God
Ahh nah, here we go
America the brave
Still fears what we don't know
And God loves all his children it's somehow forgotten
But we paraphrase a book written
3,500 years ago
I don't know

[Hook: Mary Lambert]
And I can't change
Even if I tried
Even if I wanted to
And I can't change
Even if I tried
Even if I wanted to
My love, my love, my love
She keeps me warm [x4]

[Verse 2: Macklemore]
If I was gay
I would think hip-hop hates me
Have you read the YouTube comments lately
"Man that's gay"
Gets dropped on the daily
We've become so numb to what we're saying
Our culture founded from oppression
Yet we don't have acceptance for 'em
Call each other faggots
Behind the keys of a message board
A word rooted in hate
Yet our genre still ignores it
Gay is synonymous with the lesser
It's the same hate that's caused wars from religion
Gender to skin color
Complexion of your pigment
The same fight that led people to walk-outs and sit-ins
Human rights for everybody
There is no difference
Live on! And be yourself!
When I was in church
They taught me something else
If you preach hate at the service
Those words aren't anointed
And that Holy Water
That you soak in
Is then poisoned
When everyone else
Is more comfortable
Remaining voiceless
Rather than fighting for humans
That have had their rights stolen
I might not be the same
But that's not important
No freedom til we're equal
Damn right I support it

[Trombone]
I don't know

[Hook]

[Verse 3: Macklemore]
We press play
Don't press pause
Progress, march on!
With a veil over our eyes
We turn our back on the cause
'Till the day
That my uncles can be united by law
Kids are walkin' around the hallway
Plagued by pain in their heart
A world so hateful
Some would rather die
Than be who they are
And a certificate on paper
Isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start
No law's gonna change us
We have to change us
Whatever god you believe in
We come from the same one
Strip away the fear
Underneath it's all the same love
About time that we raised up

[Hook]

[Outro: Mary Lambert]
Love is patient, love is kind
Love is patient (not crying on Sundays)
Love is kind (not crying on Sundays)
Love is patient (not crying on Sundays)
Love is kind (not crying on Sundays)
Love is patient (not crying on Sundays)
Love is kind (not crying on Sundays)
Love is patient (not crying on Sundays)
Love is kind (not crying on Sundays)
Love is patient (not crying on Sundays)
Love is kind (not crying on Sundays)

May 03, 2013 6:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here's the video.
and Dana giving an interview acknowledging the activity.

what exactly do you think is a lie ?

http://www.notmyshower.com/harassment.shtml

May 03, 2013 7:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is a video of Dana telling the showernuts that an email has gone out from the corporate office (of Giant, I think) saying that petition gathering is not authorized at that location, and since they didn't have permission to collect the signatures they will not be counted as legal.

There is nothing incriminating about that. She has the right to talk to people. Look at the video, it speaks for itself. No matter how many times you say she "threatened" somebody or anything else, any person can look at the video and see it didn't happen.

There was as very long investigation with a hearing, affidavits, lawyers out the wazoo, and the finding was that Dana had done nothing wrong.

Also, when the time came to count signatures, the shower-nuts did not have enough, and so there was no referendum. Hee-hee.

May 03, 2013 7:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes, funny, will of the people denied when it doesn't meet your agenda. funny funny.

Dana can say whatever Dana would like. We have free speech in this country. However, I believe there are some rules and limits about what county employees can say about laws they help activate. For instance, supposing I worked for the county and managed to get the county council (we will have to assume in our attempt to get liberals to see the otherside) that this is Alabama... however, assume that I worked for the county council as an aide in Alabama and they passed a law outlawing late term abortions, with or without a medical exception. Suppose that Dana, etc all were running a petition drive to get the law overturned.. had an active in person petition drive at multiple private - but somewhat public - locations across the county.

Now suppose that I, as county employee, was actively involved in trying to stop the petition drive against the law I had sponsored.

Unlike a normal citizen - I have immediate and internal electronic access to the names of folks opposed. Okay, fine, comes with the territory.

But then I go out, and in my free time on the weekends - start actively harassing the folks gathering petitions. I tower over the old ladies and typical volunteers. I am angry and actively aggressive.

Okay, even though there is a 10 foot restriction rule and you have actively violated the heck out of it by directly approaching the petition table (as an acknowledged member of the opposite side) ... okay fine. But towering over old ladies - 3 6 foot persons at a time ? really ?

Dana and volunteers did this.

Not okay.


But we got the signatures anyway.

We had close to 800 more certified over a goal of 25K some.

and the govt changed the rules on the signature count after we were done.


It was outrageous. to be told to provide MORE signatures after the deadline was over... it is like a company telling you you didn't meet your commission goal and shorting you bonus money after you had met the goal... get more signatures, but by the way, the deadline is passed. Luckily the county had gotten pretty darn sloppy on certifying signatures towards the end and there were AT least a 1000 that were clearly valid signatures. Until they decided that you had to have your middle initial.

They disqualified MY HUSBANDS signature. REally ?


because he didn't indicate his middle intial on both the printed name and the signed name. they disqualified over 1/2 of our signatures AS THEY DID ON THE FIRE FIGHTERS REFERENDUM THAT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED.

I gave up. I really did. I had take two weeks off work and I have a family and kids to support.

so I went back to working full time and giving 1/2 of my money to the govt, to support folks like Priya, who don't bother to work at all.

Because I can't keep up with it.

I can't work full time and support kids and maintain a household and also BLOG 24x7 like the Priya's of the world.

So you win.

You get your socialist society.

Have you thought about what happens when the type A's like me stop working because we can't keep that money to support our own families any more ?

What happens then ?

History has been here before.

over and over and over again.

welcome to the destruction of society.


orchestrated and helped by JK, creator of TTF.

Hope you are proud of the destruction of civilization.

and the goal of working for a living (shocking, some of us still believe in this).

you have certainly contributed.

Theresa

May 03, 2013 9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to say the charges against Dana were found to be "bogus" is so disingenuous as to represent outright deception

the finding was that everyone there was so politically passionate that no testimony could be relied on

the ruling specified that both sides had this bias problem

"Liar.

No reputable person testified that any such thing happened. In his handwritten-by-Ruth-Jacobs-statement, Mr. Mason used a "derogatory term" to describe Dr. Beyer, and during his testimony before the Commission, Mr. Schall "displayed a palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgendered individuals." As a result, the Montgomery County Ethics Commission found their testimony to be "not credible" and dismissed the complaint."

no reputable person supported Dana's version

there was simply lack of proof

ask OJ Simpson about how that works

May 04, 2013 1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the finding was that everyone there was so politically passionate that no testimony could be relied on

No, you are completely wrong and so full of hatred for one trans woman that you are now tripling down on your lie.

The Committee reported:

"Assuming that Dr. Beyer did confront MCRG volunteers, Giant Food managers, and patrons, there is no credible evidence that she invoked her County position while doing so. The Commission found Mr. Schall’s testimony, as well as Verlon Mason’s audiotape and affidavit, unpersuasive. Mr. Mason’s use of the derogatory term “shim” when referring to Dr. Beyer, evidences a bias against transgendered individuals. Similarly, Mr. Schall displayed a palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgendered individuals which, in the Commission’s judgment, makes his testimony not credible.

On the other hand, the disinterested witnesses do not support the charge. Montgomery County Police Sergeant Douglas Cobb did not testify to any confrontation, let alone conduct that might violate § 19A-14(e). And while Giant manager Aaron Williams testified that there was a “confrontation,” “shouting,” and “loud talking back and forth,” he would not identify what, if any, role Dr. Beyer played in this confrontation.

It is apparent to the Commission that MCRG and Teach the Facts have very political agendas and this is reflected in their support or opposition to the Bill. There may, in fact, have been harsh words exchanged at the Arliss/Piney Branch on the day in question. But it was not proved that Dr.Beyer violated § 19A-14(e) by intimidating, threatening, coercing or discriminating against any person’s freedom to engage in political activity as a function of being on the job, self-identifying as a public employee, or entailing the prestige of office.

V. CONCLUSION
The complaint is dismissed.
"

The ONLY testimony that might have supported the complaint, the testimony from Mister Mason and Showernut Schall,was found by the Ethics Committee to be "unpersuasive" and "not credible". No other witness's testimony was found to be "unpersuasive" and "not credible" by the County Ethics Committee, not that from the MCRG side other than Mason and Schall, and not that of a single TTF member who witnessed the events at the Arliss Road Giant that day, no matter how many times you lie about it.

May 04, 2013 9:32 AM  
Anonymous have a nice 'un, y'hear said...

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May 05, 2013 7:44 AM  
Anonymous nice day, have you!! said...

Harvard historian Niall Ferguson says John Maynard Keynes' theory of economics was doomed to failure because Keynes himself was gay and childless.

Financial writer Tom Kostigen, the editor at large of Private Wealth and Financial Advisor magazines, reported Ferguson's comments Friday on the Financial Advisor website:

Harvard Professor and author Niall Ferguson says John Maynard Keynes' economic philosophy was flawed and he didn't care about future generations because he was gay and didn't have children.

Kostigen writes that Ferguson, speaking in front of hundreds of financial advisers and investors at the Tenth Annual Altegris Conference in Carlsbad, Calif., broached the subject in response to a question comparing Keynes' theories and Edmund Burke's.

Burke had many children, Keynes had none, Ferguson reportedly said. And thus, Burke believed in a "social contract" that would endure for generations, while the childless, gay Keynes believed in a philosophy of self-interest.

Ferguson, "says it's only logical that Keynes would take this selfish worldview because he was an 'effete' member of society," Kostigen wrote.

May 05, 2013 7:46 AM  
Anonymous have a nice day, if you're not gay said...

maybe that's why Barney Frank screwed up the economy in 2008

you notice he didn't have the balls to defend his actions in a re-election campaign

May 05, 2013 7:51 AM  
Anonymous how to have a nice day said...

YouTube sensation Antoine Dodson has publicly renounced homosexuality, announcing on Facebook that he is "no longer into homosexuality" and now wants a wife.

Dodson joined HuffPost Live host Alicia Menendez Friday to explain the switch, saying he has been spending a lot of time reading the bible.

"It's not praying the gay away because it can be lifted," Dodson told Menendez. "If you really want to change your life, and just get rid of it, then you can. And that's what I'm doing. I'm not saying I don't have the memories of my past, because I do, and I see it everyday in my mind. But I'm trying to move away from that and become a better person. That's all."

Dodson added that he has always been attracted to the "art of a woman" but that he mistakenly "tried to actually be that instead of being with that," describing his gay days as "dumb."

"When you get older and you get mature, things in your life change," he said, adding that he would like a wife and children in the future.

Still, Dodson says he is unashamed of his homosexual past.

"I want people to see my past," he said. "I want them to see me and see what I was delivered from."

May 05, 2013 8:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris Broussard, ESPN's NBA reporter earlier this week described gay NBA player Jason Collins as a man living in "open rebellion to God."

"Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly ... like premarital sex between heterosexuals," Broussard said during an episode of "Outside The Lines." "If you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says 'you know them by their fruits.' It says that, you know, that’s a sin."

As critics howled, ESPN has not exactly issued an apology. Broussard has so far refused to back down.

Wednesday, Broussard called in to the New York-based Power 105.1 "Breakfast Club" radio show, also known as "the world's most dangerous breakfast show," hosted by DJ Envy, Angela Yee and Charlamagne Tha God.

The conversation quickly turned to Broussard's comments regarding homosexuality.

"I'm fine with homosexuals," Broussard protested, insisting that he has at least one gay friend. "I disagree with being gay, but disagree respectfully ... I don't have any problem with homosexuals."

When the hosts asked why Broussard was so convinced that Christianity banned open homosexuality, he quoted from the Bible's New Testament books First Corinthians and Romans, and from the Old Testament's Book of Leviticus.

The life of a Christian, Broussard explained, means having to constantly fight temptation. "And if you stumble and fall, then you get back up, you repent and ask God for forgiveness, and you move on," he said. “I think that applies to homosexuals as well."

Men who are attracted to other men can still be considered Christian if -- and only if -- they constantly try to counteract the same-sex attraction, Broussard said. And if they "repent, and they ask for forgiveness, and they keep trying to serve God, and they fall time and time again consistently, I believe that person is a Christian.”

May 05, 2013 8:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"thanks, we already read the news

is there a comment, or is this a typical thoughtless TTF post?

[May 01, 2013 9:05 AM?"


And now look how you spent your Sunday morning, posting news items everybody's already seen.

You espouse lies and hate for some of God's creations, your side lost every lawsuit it filed against Montgomery County and Maryland state school boards, and even had the ethics complaint against a county employee dismissed because your only two supposed witnesses were found by the MoCo Ethics Commission to be "unpersuasive" and "not credible" after giving evidence of their "bias against" and "disdain for" trangender individuals.

< losers >

< eye roll >

May 05, 2013 9:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

someone has sinned against the sacred gay agenda and must be banished to the wilderness:

"Newsweek/Daily Beast chief Tina Brown tweeted on Thursday that the company had parted ways with Howard Kurtz, the news organization's Washington bureau chief.

The news broke hours after The Daily Beast retracted an erroneous blog post Kurtz published about NBA star Jason Collins. Kurtz incorrectly accused Collins, the first openly gay male athlete in a major professional sport, of leaving out the fact that the NBA player was engaged to his former girlfriend at one point in time."


Your sinner has "deeply apologized" for making a factual error, while you sit at your computer piling on lie after lie, which only reflects back onto you and your fellow showernuts.

Howard Kurtz: 'I Am Truly Sorry' For Jason Collins Piece

"Howard Kurtz addressed his notorious error about Jason Collins, which led to his firing from the Daily Beast, on his CNN show "Reliable Sources" on Sunday.

Kurtz was fired from the Beast after he penned an erroneous column that claimed that NBA center Collins — who recently came out as gay — was not forthcoming about his former engagement to a woman.

He apologized for the column on Sunday's "Reliable Sources," saying:

"On Monday, I read the Sports Illustrated article by Jason Collins, the first pro-male team athlete to come out as publicly gay. I read it too fast and carelesly missed that Jason Collins said he was engaged previously to a woman and then wrote and commented that he was wrong to keep that from readers, when I was in fact the one who was wrong. My logic about what happened between Jason Collins and his former fiancee and what was and wasn't disclosed, in hindsight, well I was wrong to even raise that issue. Also, I didn't give him a chance to respond to my account before I wrote it and in addition my first correction was not as complete and as full as it should have been. In a video where I discussed the issue, I wrongly jokingly referred to something I shouldn't have joked about. I apologize to readers and viewers and most importantly to Jason Collins and to his ex-fiancee. I hope this very candid response will earn your trust back over time. It is something that I am committed to doing.

Kurtz was further grilled by NPR's David Folkenflik and Politico's Dylan Byers about the error, why he should keep his role as CNN's media critic, and his role at Daily Download.

"This is not a ritual for me, where you just come on camera and say you're sorry and you hope to move on," Kurtz later added.
I am truly sorry about what happened... and I am determined to learn from this episode and and minimize the chances of anything like this happening again.""

Imagine that. Manning up to his mistakes.

You ought to try it sometime, Anon.

May 05, 2013 2:59 PM  
Anonymous have a fairy nice day!! said...

imagine that

gay Nazis making a mountain out of a molehill...

who saw that coming?

and, now, for this minor incident, this guy is fired?

so typical of the gay agenda

it was never enough to be permitted to live as they want

the world must focus on ostracizing and banishing anyone who doesn't fully support homosexuality as healthy and positive

this is a threat to our democracy

May 05, 2013 3:49 PM  
Anonymous have a freakin' nice day!! said...

"your side lost every lawsuit it filed against Montgomery County and Maryland state school boards, and even had the ethics complaint against a county employee dismissed because your only two supposed witnesses were found by the MoCo"

no point addressing this comment

as you can in the comment stream above, a free discussion can't be had with comments that don't presuppose that transgender theory is correct because any that don't assume transgenderism is valid will be deleted

May 05, 2013 3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I see manning up is not possible for a troll like you.

Good luck with your hateful lies, but as everyone can see, the tide is turning away from hatred and fear toward acceptance of God's LGBT creations. Even you will get there someday if you so choose, or you may opt to live the rest of your days in fear and loathing.

It's your choice.

May 06, 2013 9:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"manning up"?

of the issues we discussed, I lied about nothing

Dana was engaged in inappropriate activity during the petition drive as an employee of the County Councilman who sponsored the law and was thrown out by the voters in the next election, indeed Dana likely wrote most of it

no one ruled the charges against Dana "bogus", they simply said they couldn't be proven

most don't consider Dana to be a female but unless one is careful to refer to Dana that way, Jimm deletes the comment

as for Collins, a reporter incorrectly said he had hid his engagement to a heterosexual

the reporter admitted the factual error, which was a minor point, but was still fired, which is preposterous and an indication of how insane the application of the homosexual agenda has become

so where are the vicious lies I've been telling out of sheer hatred for unfortunate souls like Dana?

May 06, 2013 11:37 AM  
Anonymous Robert said...

I note that anonymous is using Dana's name in preference to pronouns.

When I've been asked, that's what I've advised teachers to do if they are not sure by what gender a student identifies.

I've heard the advice that one should simply ask, but I'm not certain that all 14-year-olds are sure enough of themselves to be able to answer such a question.

May 06, 2013 12:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been doing that for a while, Robert

using the pronoun is just endorsing someone's delusion

May 06, 2013 3:15 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Above here where it says, "This comment has been removed by a blog administrator," is a place where anon used pronouns to endorse his own delusion about gender.

JimK

May 06, 2013 3:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"of the issues we discussed, I lied about nothing"

Yes you did. Here's one of your lies right here:

"the finding was that everyone there was so politically passionate that no testimony could be relied on"

In fact, the only testimony that the Commission pointed out was "not credible" was that of Mr. Mason and Mr. Schaal, and they were on the CRW side, not the TTF side.

"the ruling specified that both sides had this bias problem"

No it did not. Unlike your lying lips, the actual decision of the Montgomery County Ethics Committee addressed "both sides" and here is what they said:

"MCRG and Teach the Facts have very different political agendas and this is reflected in their support or opposition to the Bill. There may, in fact, have been harsh words exchanged at the Arliss/Piney Branch on the day in question. But it was not proved that Dr.Beyer violated § 19A-14(e) by intimidating, threatening, coercing or discriminating against any person..."

The Commission did not write "no testimony could be relied on." That is another of your lies, you liar.

The only testimony the Commission reported it threw out was that from CRW witnesses, Mason and Schaal.

Why was the complaint not proved and the testimony of those two men found to be "not credible?"

Because one of those supposed witnesses used "the derogatory term 'shim' when referring to Dr. Beyer, [which] evidences a bias against transgendered individuals" and the other supposed witness "displayed a palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgendered individuals."

The Commission felt Schaal and Mason were "not credible" witnesses, contrary to Dr. Ruth Jacobs, who decided to use these two questionable men as her star witnesses to build her bogus personal vendetta complaint against Dr. Beyer, and it blew up in Ruth Jacob's face.

I do believe I understand why the Commission found Schaal "displayed a palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgender individuals." It was Showernut Schaal's repeated use of the wrong pronoun to refer to Dr. Beyer that earned his testimony the "not credible" label from the Montgomery County Ethics Commission.

Here's how the PFOX blog, which has been a losing co-suer of MCPS with the CRW, described Schaal's testimony at the hearing before the Montgomery Ethics Commission:

"The cross exam of Schaal turned a bit contentious when Beyer's lawyer questioned Schaal about why he repeatedly referred to Beyer as a "he." Schaal, who alternated between the use of "he," "she" and "Dr. Beyer" throughout the testimony, said that he perceives Beyer to be a male, despite the fact that Beyer showed him a Maryland Driver's License at the Arliss Giant which, Beyer had told Schaal, is proof that Beyer is, legally, a woman. Schaal stated that he is just not sure what Beyer really is."

Mr. Schaal proudly displayed his "palpable and unapologetic disdain for transgender individuals" right there on the witness stand in front of the Montgomery Ethics Commission, thinking he was winning friends.

He reminds me of you.

< hater >

May 06, 2013 5:42 PM  
Anonymous his excellency said...

"Here's one of your lies right here"

well, I disagree but let's see the other "lies"

btw, saying someone's testimony is invalid because the think Dana's birth gender is Dana's actual gender shows the Commission was biased

"he perceives Beyer to be a male, despite the fact that Beyer showed him a Maryland Driver's License at the Arliss Giant"

is this a sequal of Miracle on 34th Street, where anyone who gets mail addressed to Santa Claus is actually Santa Claus?

"Above here where it says, "This comment has been removed by a blog administrator," is a place where anon used pronouns to endorse his own delusion about gender."

it's the topsy turvy world of TTF, where feelings are facts and physical evidence is delusion

why is it only gender where TTF believes you are what you feel?

if, say. you feel like a fish, does that make it so?

nuthouses are filled with people who think they are werewolves or Nero or many other things?

is everyone who disagrees suffering delusion?

from now on, I expect to be addressed with a regal title as I feel like the king of Siam

May 07, 2013 3:20 AM  
Anonymous Robert said...

Do you know anyone who thinks he or she is a fish?

May 07, 2013 8:01 AM  
Anonymous have a nice day!! said...

I recently saw a story about a girl who had a tail made so she can swim around like a mermaid. She said when she's a mermaid, it's the only time she really feels like herself.

But, no, I don't personally know her.

There are also whole groups of people who believe they are vampire or witches.

btw, I don't personally know anyone who thinks they are a gender other than the one biology assigned them but I believe such people exist.

I did briefly and anonymously meet Dana when she (OK, I'll go along with the delusion this once) was campaigning. I wasn't convinced.

May 07, 2013 8:49 AM  
Anonymous que pasa? said...

After six months of mulling over November's election results, many Republicans remain convinced that the party's only path to future victory is to improve the GOP's appeal to Hispanic voters. But how many Hispanic voters do Republicans need to attract before the party can again win the White House?

A lot. Start with the 2012 exit polls. The New York Times' Nate Silver has created an interactive tool in which one can look at the presidential election results and calculate what would have happened if the racial and ethnic mix of voters had been different. The tool also allows one to project future results based on any number of scenarios in which the country's demographic profile and voting patterns change.

In 2012, President Obama famously won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote to Mitt Romney's 27 percent. If all other factors remained the same, how large a percentage of the Hispanic vote would Romney have had to win to capture the White House?

What if Romney had won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, the high-water mark for Republicans achieved by George W. Bush in 2004? As it turns out, if Romney had hit that Bush mark, he still would have lost, with 240 electoral votes to 298 for Obama.

But what if Romney had been able to make history and attract 50 percent of Hispanic voters? What then? He still would have been beaten, 283 electoral votes to 255.

What if Romney had been able to do something absolutely astonishing for a Republican and win 60 percent of the Hispanic vote? He would have lost by the same margin, 283 electoral votes to 255.
But what if Romney had been able to reach a mind-blowing 70 percent of the Hispanic vote? Surely that would have meant victory, right? No, it wouldn't. Romney still would have lost, although by the narrowest of electoral margins, 270 to 268. (Under that scenario, Romney would have won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College; he could have racked up huge numbers of Hispanic votes in California, New York and Texas, for example, and not changed the results in those states.)

According to the Times' calculator, Romney would have had to win 73 percent of the Hispanic vote to prevail in 2012. Which suggests that Romney, and Republicans, had bigger problems than Hispanic voters.

The most serious of those problems was that Romney was not able to connect with white voters who were so turned off by the campaign that they abandoned the GOP and in many cases stayed away from the polls altogether. Recent reports suggest as many as 5 million white voters simply stayed home on Election Day. If they had voted at the same rate they did in 2004, even with the demographic changes since then, Romney would have won.

Likewise, the white vote is so large that an improvement of 4 points -- going from 60 percent to 64 percent of those whites who did vote -- would have won the race for Romney.

So which would have been a more realistic goal for Romney -- matching the white turnout from just a few years earlier, or winning 73 percent of Hispanic voters?

May 07, 2013 9:02 AM  
Anonymous Barry is a failure said...

E.J. Dionne Jr. wrote yesterday that “many Americans have lost the sense of what President Obama is doing to improve their lives.” Dionne goes on to say that to combat this disillusionment, President Obama needs to do a better job of telling the American people how his agenda promotes “growth and opportunity.”

The fact is that President Obama needs a new agenda, not a better way of selling the status quo. If we define the success of the Obama presidency by examining some of the quantifiable facts that measure our country’s progress, it’s hard to argue that the lives of Americans have improved over the past four years or that these discouraging trends are going to be reversed anytime soon.

Since Obama’s first full month in office in February 2009, the unemployment rate has gone from terrible (8.3 percent) to very bad (7.5 percent). But a true picture of just how bad the unemployment situation is in our country is revealed by the fact that more than 9.5 million people have dropped out of the labor force since the president took office in 2009.

In the past five years, 9.5 million people have quit working and the current labor force participation rate is just 63.6 percent, the lowest it’s been since May 1979. More than 15.2 million more people are on food stamps today than were in February 2009, and during the same time frame, the poverty rate has increased by 0.7 percent.

Gasoline prices have almost doubled under Obama, and there’s nothing more corrosive for the middle class than when more cash comes out of everyone’s pockets at the pump. This is especially true given that the median household income has dropped more than $3,000 during the Obama presidency.

All the while we have experienced the biggest jump in our national debt in history under Obama, with the debt exploding from $11 trillion at the end of 2008 to almost $17 trillion today. And our current national debt translates to a cost of more than $148,000 per taxpayer, up from just over $90,000 per taxpayer in 2008.

Even the infamous “Misery Index,” created by Jimmy Carter, has gotten worse under the Obama presidency. Remember, the Misery Index is the unemployment rate plus the inflation rate. In January 2009, the index was 7.83, but as of March 2013, it increased to 9.07.

It’s safe to say that the above statistics are key benchmarks of the U.S. economy. You can pick through other available figures and try to find some small pieces of good news, but by any measure, what these data show is that things have gotten worse rather than better for many Americans during Obama’s tenure. His time to enact change is rapidly diminishing, and he appears to be out of ideas and energy. His second-term agenda, which should be fresh and marching its way through Congress, is nowhere to be seen. Given where we are now, it is hard to see how Democratic candidates will want to embrace an Obama agenda in the 2014 election.

May 07, 2013 9:08 AM  
Anonymous svelte_brunette said...

I’m really busy with work and home projects these days, so I haven’t had much time to refute the republican ridiculosity this week, but I’ll make a few points.


The King of Siam said:

“it's the topsy turvy world of TTF, where feelings are facts and physical evidence is delusion

why is it only gender where TTF believes you are what you feel?

if, say. you feel like a fish, does that make it so?

nuthouses are filled with people who think they are werewolves or Nero or many other things?

is everyone who disagrees suffering delusion?

from now on, I expect to be addressed with a regal title as I feel like the king of Siam”


First of all how do you know what trans people feel? Are you adding mind-reading to list of highly-developed skills to go along with presidential race predictions?

I don’t know if Dana feels like a woman or not, and I’ve certainly never said anything like that myself. So where in the world do you get the idea that you know how we feel?

On a different note, an informal count of some of my trans friends indicated that 20 to 25% of them had some form of intersex biology – anything from gyneconmastia, to no prostate, to a suspected “un-descended testicle” that actually turned out to be a partially formed ovary attached to a fallopian tube that was only discovered during surgery.

My guess is you have NONE of the medical facts regarding me, Dana, Maryanne, or any other trans person, so you in fact, have no idea what there actual birth gender (correctly assigned or not) may have been, medically speaking. If you think you really DO know, then the delusion is entirely yours. I’m pretty sure you didn’t run a DNA test on any of us either, so you have no idea what that might have to say.

Nuthouses may indeed be filled with people who think they’re Nero or the King of Siam, I don’t know, I’ve never spent any time in one – I’ll have to take your word for it.

The fact is though they don’t put trans people there though because they are not mentally ill or delusional. Anyone wanting to transition is expected to go to school or work (depending on age) and better themselves or earn a living. This is not something you expect of the mentally ill. And since insurance typically specifically EXCLUDES any trans related therapy, a trans person typically has to pay all of those expenses out of there after-tax earnings. There are some companies that have started to cover some of the costs, but so far they are still in the minority.

If you really believe that trans people are mentally ill, delusional, and should have their own wing in the nutty house, then you have to explain how a handful of them and a few friends managed to organize a coherent and successful opposition to the CRG fear and smear campaign.

I’m sure the CRG folks are quite convinced of their moral, spiritual, and intellectual superiority, but when the facts show they were defeated by a bunch of people they consider mentally ill, it doesn’t bode well for a relative comparison of their mental capacities.

On a related note, in the circles I travel in, harassing the mentally ill or mentally disadvantaged would leave me shunned by polite society. That’s something a normal person just doesn’t do, as it would make them appear crass and insensitive, at best; but most people would just consider them as cruel and sadistic @$$.

Have a nice day,

Cynthia

May 07, 2013 10:50 AM  
Blogger Patrick Fitzgerald said...

Current photo of John Paulk.

What a difference!

May 07, 2013 3:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"On a related note, in the circles I travel in, harassing the mentally ill or mentally disadvantaged would leave me shunned by polite society. That’s something a normal person just doesn’t do, as it would make them appear crass and insensitive, at best; but most people would just consider them as cruel and sadistic @$$."

hold it Cynthia.
are you implying that Priya is mentally ill and I am being crass and insensitive by harassing Priya ?

Or did you mean to imply something else.... because if you are, well that is just mind boggling. Given the "we are just born with a different brain sex but otherwise we are perfectly normal and deserve normal treatment by society" espoused here.

Theresa

May 07, 2013 6:38 PM  
Anonymous have a nice day!! said...

"First of all how do you know what trans people feel?"

Oh, let's see....

I know, it's because they talk about it all the time

but, you're right

they could be lying

"Are you adding mind-reading to list of highly-developed skills to go along with presidential race predictions?"

that segues perfectly into my next jolly comment

tonight the first indication of how the 2014 Congressional election will turn out was revealed

glub-glub-glub go the Dems' chances:

"(CNN) - Former Gov. Mark Sanford will win the race for South Carolina's 1st Congressional District, CNN projects. With 70% of the vote in, Republican Sanford leads Democrat Elizabeth Colbert Busch, 54%-45%."

"I don’t know if Dana feels like a woman or not, and I’ve certainly never said anything like that myself. So where in the world do you get the idea that you know how we feel?"

All I know about Dana is what I've read on this blog.

Here's what I've read here:

Dana's birth name was Wayne and Dana spent decades in a marriage to a woman, producing children.

If that's true, and I realize a lot of what you read on TTF is not, that would seem to mean Dana's issue is mental and not mechanical.

Again, however, I have no hard evidence so it's possible the whole thing is hoax by TTF.

"On a different note, an informal count of some of my trans friends indicated that 20 to 25% of them had some form of intersex biology – anything from gyneconmastia, to no prostate, to a suspected “un-descended testicle” that actually turned out to be a partially formed ovary attached to a fallopian tube that was only discovered during surgery."

as you said, informal

such problems are actually rare

"Nuthouses may indeed be filled with people who think they’re Nero or the King of Siam, I don’t know, I’ve never spent any time in one – I’ll have to take your word for it."

don't

google it

"The fact is though they don’t put trans people there though because they are not mentally ill or delusional."

as long as nuts are not dangerous, we let them roam the streets

we're not a very compassionate society

May 07, 2013 9:31 PM  
Anonymous have a nice day!! said...

"First of all how do you know what trans people feel?"

Oh, let's see....

I know, it's because they talk about it all the time

but, you're right

they could be lying

"Are you adding mind-reading to list of highly-developed skills to go along with presidential race predictions?"

that segues perfectly into my next jolly comment

tonight the first indication of how the 2014 Congressional election will turn out was revealed

glub-glub-glub go the Dems' chances:

"(CNN) - Former Gov. Mark Sanford will win the race for South Carolina's 1st Congressional District, CNN projects. With 70% of the vote in, Republican Sanford leads Democrat Elizabeth Colbert Busch, 54%-45%."

"I don’t know if Dana feels like a woman or not, and I’ve certainly never said anything like that myself. So where in the world do you get the idea that you know how we feel?"

All I know about Dana is what I've read on this blog.

Here's what I've read here:

Dana's birth name was Wayne and Dana spent decades in a marriage to a woman, producing children.

If that's true, and I realize a lot of what you read on TTF is not, that would seem to mean Dana's issue is mental and not mechanical.

Again, however, I have no hard evidence so it's possible the whole thing is hoax by TTF.

"On a different note, an informal count of some of my trans friends indicated that 20 to 25% of them had some form of intersex biology – anything from gyneconmastia, to no prostate, to a suspected “un-descended testicle” that actually turned out to be a partially formed ovary attached to a fallopian tube that was only discovered during surgery."

as you said, informal

such problems are actually rare

"Nuthouses may indeed be filled with people who think they’re Nero or the King of Siam, I don’t know, I’ve never spent any time in one – I’ll have to take your word for it."

don't

google it

"The fact is though they don’t put trans people there though because they are not mentally ill or delusional."

as long as nuts are not dangerous, we let them roam the streets

we're not a very compassionate society

May 07, 2013 9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nfceast&id=51136&src=desktop

May 08, 2013 4:52 AM  
Anonymous Tolerance grows said...

Thanks for the URL, here's an excerpt of the text:

"Following the news this week that Jason Collins had come out as the NBA's first openly gay player, the issue of homosexuality in sports has reached a crescendo. For a while, there has been speculation about when the first NFL player will come out, and Collins' announcement has only heightened the debate and speculation about how that player would be received in NFL locker rooms. To that end, NFL players are being asked for their thoughts on the matter.

This was the case with Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins in a recent interview he did with mlive.com. Cousins' opinion is interesting to me because Cousins is an extremely religious person who doesn't hide his staunch belief in Christianity, and as many of you know, people like that are often uncomfortable with the idea of homosexuality. Cousins appears to be something of an exception:
“But I think we need to show love to every single person on this Earth,” he said. “Jesus showed love to everybody, and whether it was Mary Magdalene, who was a prostitute had seven demons inside her, he showed love to her, and he didn’t have a problem with her.

“Jesus called on a tax collector, Matthew, to be one of his disciples, and while many Jewish people had a problem with Matthew, Jesus didn’t have a problem with Matthew. What Jesus wanted was for Matthew to grow.

“At the end of the day, anybody in our locker room who is struggling with something and isn’t perfect -- which would be everybody in the locker room -- my attitude would be that I want to show love to them in a way that shows them Jesus, and hope that they can encounter the same love that I encountered from Jesus that saved my life.”

I'm not saying I do or do not share Cousins' religious beliefs, because I don't think that's anybody's business. I just find it refreshing to hear someone applying his deeply religious beliefs in a charitable manner as opposed to a judgmental or intolerant one. If you're going to be all-in on Jesus, as Cousins and many other people in this world are, I think it's a good idea to pay attention to the stuff he supposedly said about being decent to other people, and human beings not being the ones who decide what's the right way and the wrong way for people to live their lives... "


And YAY Delaware Gay Marriage Bill Signed Into Law!!!

Poor Anon and Theresa. The world has turned and left you behind.

May 08, 2013 7:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you are right it is.
How are you going to support yourselves with an all taker society ?

I see Greece in your future.

May 08, 2013 8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Poor Anon"

I, for one, completely agree with Cousins

May 08, 2013 8:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Four simple words tweeted in support of Jason Collins, an NBA player who came out, and a church changed their mind about inviting former NFL player LeRoy Butler to speak to the children in the congregation about bullying.

"leroy butler
✔ @leap36

Congrats to Jason Collins
150 retweets 161 favorites"

Butler said he was "a little shocked" when the church first brought up the tweet and expressed concern that he was going to talk about gay people with the kids, which he never intended to do. "I speak all the time ... I tell my story. Single parent home; African American; from the projects; going to Florida State and playing for the Green Bay Packers for 12 years."

The church, which Butler isn't naming, angered him when they told him that he could redeem himself if he agreed to apologize, ask God for forgiveness and remove the tweet. He refused to delete the message. "I told the Pastor, blame it on my mom because my mom brought me up to love everybody," he said.


That church should be thankful to Mr. Butler for keeping their hateful little secret.

May 08, 2013 10:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank goodness for people who remember that during his lifetime on Earth, Jesus showed love for everybody, sinners and saints alike.

May 09, 2013 8:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that's true

but he never denied their sin or denied their need to turn from their sins

read John 8:1-11

he saved the adulteress from those trying to stone her but then said "go and sin no more"

May 09, 2013 11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if she continued to sin, did He mask His identity and call her a "deviant" day after day, did He mock her, scorn her, accuse her of destroying civilization, or did He organize a personal vendetta against her before a council of the local government?

If so, please point out which chapter and verse will we find those parts in.

May 09, 2013 5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And if she continued to sin,"

actually, she undoubtedly did continue to sin

although, hopefully, she overcame the sin of adultery

"did He mask His identity"

Israel 30 A.D. didn't have blogs

"and call her a "deviant" day after day,"

while I've said homosexuality is deviant, I don't think you'll find any instance of me calling any particular individual that

are you aware of why Herod beheaded John the Baptist?

"did He mock her,"

he called certain sinners, those who are self-righteous, "vipers"

I think you'll find if you read the gospels, and why not go ahead and do it, you'll find Jesus is consistently compassionate to the humble and repentant

"scorn her, accuse her of destroying civilization,"

actually, he does predict the end of the world because of the sinfulness of men

"or did He organize a personal vendetta against her before a council of the local government?"

don't think you'll ever find Jesus seeking an audience with any governmental body

btw, it's the lunatic fringe advocates here who have an endless list of people whom the have vendettas against

"If so, please point out which chapter and verse will we find those parts in."

go ahead and read all he chapters and verses

May 09, 2013 8:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's what I thought.

You can't identify a single Bible quote of Jesus displaying a "palpable and unapologetic disdain for" or using "derogatory terms for" LGBT people like the showernuts have done in MoCo for nearly a decade now. You guys don't even want gay students in MCPS to learn a single fact about themselves in sex ed class.

I suggest you go read all those Bible chapters and verses to find out what you have obviously missed.

May 10, 2013 7:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just go back read the stuff I "missed", that wasn't there?

Yeah, that makes sense.

I don't think anyone here has "displayed a palpable and unapologetic disdain for" LBGT people. Personally, I generally refer to behaviors and not individuals.

I'm actually not part of "you guys". While I disagree with the gay agenda, I never worked with CRG, partly because it is dominated by Mormons, and you're right, they are self-righteous, and partly because I think politics is a waste of time.

btw, part of your problem is that you consider inconvenient truth to be offensive.

You take umbrage at the term "deviant" and, yet, homosexuality does deviate from the norm.

To refer to some guy who had sexual reassignment to transition to female as "him" is the worse of insults to you but we don't consider gender to be a choice.

Grow up, and get over it.

May 10, 2013 8:31 AM  
Anonymous Obama is 21st century Nixon said...

WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service is apologizing for inappropriately flagging conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews.

Lerner said the practice was wrong and she apologized while speaking at a conference in Washington.

Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They said the agency asked them an inordinate number of questions to justify their tax-exempt status.

May 10, 2013 11:25 AM  
Anonymous Obama is 21st century Nixon said...

Can't believe Obama thought he could get away with this.

latest on the TTF scandal:

"The apology was met with a mixed reaction by tea party groups. Jay Sekulow, a lawyer with the American Center for Law and Justice, which has represented several conservative groups in their complaint against the government, hailed the apology as a "significant victory for free speech and freedom of association." But Jenny Beth Martin, of the Tea Party Patriots, scorned the apology. "The IRS has demonstrated the most disturbing, illegal and outrageous abuse of government power," she said in a statement. "We reject a simple apology that does nothing to alleviate the danger of this happening again," she added, demanding a congressional investigation, an apology directly from President Obama, and the immediate resignation of any IRS employees involved in the scandal.

McConnell, in a statement, called on the administration "to conduct a transparent, government-wide review aimed at assuring the American people that these thuggish practices are not underway at the IRS or elsewhere in the administration against anyone, regardless of their political views."

McConnell's call for a government-wide review was seconded by House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, who released a statement slamming the "admission by the Obama administration that the [IRS] targeted political opponents," saying it "echoes some of the most shameful abuses of government power in 20th-century American history." House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., also announced on Friday that the House would investigate the matter.

And House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., along with Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, called the IRS practices "unconscionable" in a statement, promising to use his committee "to hold responsible officials accountable for this political retaliation."

White House press secretary Jay Carney would only on Friday that the White House concedes the reported actions on the part of the IRS are "inappropriate"."

May 11, 2013 7:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When did you choose to be straight?

May 11, 2013 7:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that last comment is really inane

May 11, 2013 8:13 AM  
Anonymous have a superb day!! said...

the latest is that, having failed to budget properly to implement Obamacare (so it would look less costly), Obama is now calling health industry executives and churches, pressuring to donate money to help him do it

I guess the subtle message is that, if they don't, the IRS will harass them

between this and the TTF scandal and the Benghazi debacle, impeachment would appear to be in Barry's future

May 11, 2013 8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...At the time in question, many newly formed political organizations were seeking IRS certification that would allow them to avoid paying taxes on funds raised—the overwhelming majority of these organizations being Tea Party related groups. As the IRS believed that many of those filing for exemptions were stretching the limits of qualification, some low-level staffers at the agency’s Cincinnati, Ohio office decided to target for closer review those organizations with “Tea Party” sounding names, such as “patriot” and, of course, “Tea Party”. In the effort to dig deeper to determine if these groups qualified, the agency people involved asked many of the filing organizations to disclose names of those who had made contributions along with other data they deemed necessary to determine if the group qualified for tax free status.

The problem is that the agents involved were not randomly conducting these checks on all the political organizations seeking tax free status and were specifically targeting the Tea Party related groups.

This was, clearly, improper activity which is why the IRS issued today’s apology.

What’s that you say? You still don’t believe that the White House was not involved in this?

That’s what I thought.

Maybe then, it will interest you to know that there are only two officials at the IRS that are political appointments—the commissioner (who is the boss) and the chief legal counsel. And while you may be thinking that it would be a piece of cake for the White House to place a call to the Commissioner and nudge him into putting a little heat on Tea Party groups so that they would be kept busy defending themselves from government annoyance rather than putting their energies into defeating the President, it would not have been quite so simple a task for the White House to accomplish.

Why?

Because the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service during the period in question was Douglas Shulman, a political appointee of President George W. Bush.

In fact, not only was Commissioner Shulman a Bush appointee, he would certainly have had no motivation to do the political bidding of a Democrat president considering that Mr. Shulman had already announced prior to the election that he would be stepping down from his post in November...

...check out what Tea Party Patriots co-founder Jenny Beth Martin had to say when calling for President Obama to personally apologize—

“It is suspicious that the activity of these ‘low-level workers’ was unknown to IRS leadership at the time it occurred. President Obama must also apologize for his administration ignoring repeated complaints by these broad grassroots organizations of harassment by the IRS in 2012, and make concrete and transparent steps today to ensure this never happens again.”

Clearly, Ms. Martin has very little grasp on how widespread the activities of the IRS are if she imagines that, in the big picture, the relatively small number of reviews of Tea Party related applications in the Cincinnati office was going to somehow capture the attention of the IRS Commissioner…who happens to be a Republican appointee.

One wonders if Ms. Martin’s indignation has anything to do with the fact that she and her husband were indebted to the IRS in the amount of over half a million dollars when they filed bankruptcy in 2008? Maybe it is Ms. Martin who owes the apology?..."

May 11, 2013 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"impeachment would appear to be in Barry's future"

No doubt President Huckabee will be the one to push Congress to enact your latest delusional prediction.

May 11, 2013 9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Here’s a brief history of threats to impeach President Obama:

1. Fast and furious: Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner threatened to impeach administration officials and possibly the president over the botched gun-running investigation, telling Attorney General Eric Holder: “If we don’t get to the bottom of this — and that requires your assistance on that — there is only one alternative that Congress has, and it is called impeachment.”

2. Boston bombing: A Washington Times columnist called for impeaching Obama after the Boston Marathon bombing because he fails to realize that “we are in a clash of civilizations between radical Islam and the West.”

3. Joe Sestak: Dick Morris, America’s best columnist, and Sean Hannity, America’s best TV host, agreed that it was a “de facto bribe” and “an impeachable offense” when the White House allegedly pushed former Pennsylvania senatorial candidate Joe Sestak out of a Democratic primary.

4. Guns: A whole slew of Republican lawmakers have floated impeaching Obama over post–Sandy Hook gun laws, and Rep. Steve Stockman even planned to introduce articles of impeachment in the House. Unfortunately, due to their efforts, Obama’s watered-down gun safety bill died in the Senate.

5. Debt: South Carolina Republican Sen. Tim Scott, then in the House, said that if Obama invoked the 14th Amendment to circumvent the debt ceiling, it would be an “impeachable act.” Rep. Steve King promised “Obama would be impeached” if the government defaulted.

6. Balanced budget: Rep. Mo Brooks in January proposed a constitutional amendment that would make failing to balance the nation’s budget an impeachable offense.

7. Immigration: Former Sen. Jon Kyl, then the No. 2 Republican senator, responded to Obama’s deferred action immigration policy by telling radio host Bill Bennett that “impeachment is always a possibility,” especially if there are “shenanigans involved.” Rush Limbaugh joined the fun, as did the restrictionist group AILPAC, which has a petition up on its website to impeach the president.

8. DOMA: Newt Gingrich (who has some experience with impeachment) suggested impeaching the president over his decision to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act in court while Herman Cain called it near-treason. Social conservative stalwart Rep. Trent Franks hinted at impeachment, too..."

May 11, 2013 9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"9. Bush tax cuts: Anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said if Obama failed to extend the Bush tax cuts, “Republicans will have enough votes in the Senate in 2014 to impeach.”

10. Island giveaway conspiracy: A Texas congressional candidate wanted to impeach Obama in 2012 for supposedly giving away a string of islands to Russia.

11. Recess appointments: Fox News’ Neil Cavuto wondered if Obama could be impeached for making recess appointments. Sadly, a Fox legal analyst said no.

12. Libya: Bruce Fein, a lawyer who has written articles of impeachments against Clinton, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, did the same for Obama in 2011 over the military intervention in Libya, alleging that it violated the Constitution’s mandate that only Congress can declare war.

13. Birth certificate: A former GOP congressman who ran for office again in 2010 suggested the idea of moving to impeach Obama in order to pressure him to release his birth certificate.

14. Just existing: When a man told Rep. Michele Bachmann that President Obama should be impeached just because, Bachmann replied, “Well, I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you, I agree, I agree.” Texas Republican Michael Burgess told a Tea Party group in 2011 that he would push to impeach Obama for just generally being liberal. When a reporter asked him later what the charges would be, Burgess said he wasn’t sure, but said “it needs to happen” so Republicans can tie up Obama’s legislative agenda.

It’s not too surprising that this keeps coming up, considering that large swaths of the Republican base seem to support impeachment. Sadly, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, who is leading the charge on Benghazi, said in 2010 that there’s “not a chance” that the House will impeach the president."


It looks like you missed a few.

May 11, 2013 9:49 AM  
Anonymous have a nice way with the day!! said...

yes, of all the incorrect predictions of election outcomes in the U.S., TTF always comes back to Huckabee

why?

bigotry- they think his name sounds like Huckleberry and hick and they, shameless as ever, like to exploit stereotypes against rural Southerners

no matter

the TTF scandal continues to snowball

surprisingly, TTFers think this outrage against our democratic society is no big deal

who saw that coming?

kind of like no big deal for an elected official's employee to harass people who petition against laws written by that official, right?

kind of like it's no big deal to pass discrimination laws protecting a class that is not discriminated against, right?

anything for the cause

just ask the Bosheviks

here's what the Washington Post said this morning:

"A BEDROCK principle of U.S. democracy is that the coercive powers of government are never used for partisan purpose. The law is blind to political viewpoint, and so are its enforcers, most especially the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service. Any violation of this principle threatens the trust and the voluntary cooperation of citizens upon which this democracy depends.

So it was appalling to learn Friday that the IRS had improperly targeted conservative groups for scrutiny. It was almost as disturbing that President Obama and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew have not personally apologized to the American people and promised a full investigation.

“Mistakes were made,” the agency said in a statement. IRS official Lois Lerner explained that staffers used a “shortcut” to sort through a large number of applications from groups seeking tax-exempt status, highlighting organizations with “tea party” or “patriot” in their names. The IRS insisted emphatically that partisanship had nothing to do with it. However, it seems that groups with “progressive” in their titles did not receive the same scrutiny.

If it was not partisanship, was it incompetence? Stupidity, on a breathtaking scale? At this point, the IRS has lost any standing to determine and report on what exactly happened. Certainly Congress will investigate, as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) promised. Mr. Obama also should guarantee an unimpeachably independent inquiry.

One line of questioning should focus on how the IRS’s procedures failed to catch this “shortcut” before its employees began using it. Another should center on how this misguided practice came to light, and on what the IRS planned and plans to do about it. Ms. Lerner was responding to a question when the news first came out; it’s not clear whether the government intended otherwise to disclose what had happened. Nor have officials been clear whether disciplinary measures have been taken.

Did some officials hope never to reveal this wrongdoing? Did others hope it could quickly get lost in the weekend news cycle? Misguided, if so. We hope to hear Democratic leaders as well as Republican ones loudly saying so.

The agency said that it now has rules in place to make sure this sort of thing never happens again. How could such basic safeguards not have existed in the first place? And what are the new rules? In response to our questions, officials did not say.

Thankfully, it’s a safe bet that the decision on whether to answer such questions won’t rest solely with the agency for much longer."

May 11, 2013 10:22 AM  
Anonymous I'm having a nice day!! said...

the despicable day of the Obama outrage is nearing nightfall !!

May 11, 2013 10:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh sure, the nuts are going to stop trying to "impeach" him for nothing and start conducting government business, and the "Obama outrage" will end. I am holding my breath.

May 11, 2013 11:09 AM  
Anonymous it's a nice day!! said...

that's what Nixon's defenders said when he used the IRS to attack political opponents and denied he knew anything about it

Obama won't be impeached

he'll resign

May 11, 2013 11:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, of course he'll resign <eye_roll>. The IRS detected a pattern of Tea Party groups trying to get illegal nonprofit exemptions and now the President is going to resign over it.

I. don't. Think. So.

May 11, 2013 11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting how these TheHill.com headlines explain what's going on with Fox's obsession with Benghazi:

Poll shows Clinton leading Christie, Rubio in New Hampshire

Benghazi provides ammunition for GOP strategists eyeing Clinton threat in 2016

May 11, 2013 4:00 PM  
Anonymous drip-drip-drip, while the Springtime flowers said...

"Interesting how these TheHill.com headlines explain what's going on with Fox's obsession with Benghazi"

Interesting?

Hillary is leading in the polls. Her role is obviously of utmost relevance.

The public lying caused riots throughout the world and loss of lie. The American public needs the whole story.

"Oh, of course he'll resign. The IRS detected a pattern of Tea Party groups trying to get illegal nonprofit exemptions and now the President is going to resign over it.

I. don't. Think. So."

They actually didn't detect such a pattern. And Obama will resign as the revelations continue to drip. Here's the latest tonight:

"WASHINGTON — Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general's report obtained by The Associated Press that contradicts public statements by the IRS commissioner.

The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.

But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog's report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with "Tea Party," `'Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says.

The Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration is expected to release the results of a nearly yearlong investigation in the coming week. The AP obtained part of the draft report, which has been shared with congressional aides.

Among the other revelations, on Aug. 4, 2011, staffers in the IRS' Rulings and Agreements office "held a meeting with chief counsel so that everyone would have the latest information on the issue."

On Jan, 25, 2012, the criteria for flagging suspect groups was changed to, "political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement," the report says.

While this was happening, several committees in Congress were writing numerous letters IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman to express concern because tea party groups were complaining of IRS harassment.

May 11, 2013 7:56 PM  
Anonymous drip drip said...

In Shulman's responses, he did not acknowledge targeting of tea party groups. At a congressional hearing March 22, 2012, Shulman was adamant in his denials.

"There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman said at the House Ways and Means subcommittee hearing.

Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's oversight subcommittee, said the report "raises serious questions as to who at IRS, Treasury and in the administration knew about this, why this practice was allowed to continue for as long as it did, and how widespread it was."

"This timeline reveals at least two extremely unethical actions by the IRS. One, as early as 2010, they targeted groups for political purposes. Two, they willfully and knowingly lied to Congress for years despite being aware that Congress was investigating this practice," Boustany said.

"This is an outrageous abuse of power. Going after organizations for referencing the Bill of Rights or expressing the intent to make this country a better place is repugnant," Boustany added. "There is no excuse for this behavior."

Several congressional committees have promised investigations, including the Ways and Means Committee, which plans to hold a hearing.

"The admission by the agency that it targeted American taxpayers based on politics is both shocking and disappointing," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the Ways and Means Committee. "We will hold the IRS accountable for its actions."

May 11, 2013 7:56 PM  
Anonymous drip drip said...

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) took to Facebook Friday night to tear into the Internal Revenue Service for targeting conservative groups during the 2012 election.

"I'm sure President Obama is grateful for all the help the IRS gave his reelection campaign, but, still, you have to wonder how the bureaucrats who tried to pull this off can sleep at night," Palin wrote.

In an apology Friday, Lois Lerner, the head of the IRS's exempt organizations division, inadvertently revealed that groups with the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status had received greater scrutiny in the 2012 election.

Palin said the news was "another step in the unraveling of the Obama administration's self-proclaimed 'hope and change.'"

Republicans blasted the IRS, with Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell calling for a White House review to assure that "thuggish practices" were not being used against Americans.

May 11, 2013 8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HalfGovernor Palin for 2016!!

< eye roll >

May 11, 2013 11:28 PM  
Anonymous slam dunk baby!! said...

Obama to survive the Benghazi and IRS scandals to the end of his term!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!

HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!!!

heeheeheeheeheeheehee!!!

ha, ho, hardy hee hee!!

May 12, 2013 8:16 AM  
Anonymous having a nice day!! said...

WASHINGTON — A long-simmering dispute over the White House’s account of the deadly assault on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, flared up on Friday, with a disclosure of e-mails that show the White House was more deeply involved in revising talking points about the attack than officials have previously acknowledged.

The e-mails, which the administration turned over to Congress, show the White House coordinating an intensive process with the State Department, the C.I.A., the F.B.I. and other agencies to obtain the final version of the talking points, used by Susan E. Rice, the ambassador to the United Nations, in television appearances after the attack.

The State Department, in particular, pushed to remove references to Al Qaeda and Ansar al-Sharia, the Libyan militant group suspected of carrying out the attack as well as warnings about other potential terrorist threats from the C.I.A., which drafted the initial talking points.

Ms. Rice was later harshly criticized as having misled the public about the nature of the attack in her television appearances. For Republicans and other critics, the talking points have become a potent symbol of the Obama administration’s mishandling of the incident, even if they constitute only a part of the broader issues, from embassy security to intelligence gathering, that were raised by the attack.

The e-mails — initially disclosed in a report last month by House Republicans that was expanded on by The Weekly Standard, the conservative magazine, and on Friday in further detail by ABC News — had the White House scrambling to provide an explanation.

May 12, 2013 8:23 AM  
Anonymous have a nice skeleton!! said...

You may have wondered, as I did, why the IRS suddenly announced yesterday that it was guilty of harassing conservative groups, especially Tea Party groups. The answer now appears clear: the agency was trying to get out front of a story that was about to break.

Politico reports that next week, the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration is expected to release a report on a nearly yearlong investigation into the political abuse of the IRS. According to Politico, the inspector general’s report will contradict the IRS’s anticipatory spin in several respects:

A federal watchdog’s upcoming report says senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups in 2011.

The disclosure contradicts public statements by former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who repeatedly assured Congress that conservative groups were not targeted. …

That report says the head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups learned that groups were being targeted in June 2011.

So the harassment of conservative groups began much earlier than the IRS told us yesterday, when the agency’s spokesman said the improper conduct occurred “during the 2012 election.” As I wrote yesterday, I was skeptical about that since I had heard of the targeting of Tea Party groups by the IRS well before the 2012 campaign season.

It now appears that this is one more scandal that the Obama administration managed to keep quiet until after November’s election. One wonders how many more skeletons will come tumbling out of the closet, now that Obama is safely re-elected.

May 12, 2013 8:27 AM  
Anonymous ha-ha said...

that's right!!

tumbling

May 13, 2013 4:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're going to post news articles, the least you could do is provide the URL.

Other than providing someone else's text, you have nothing to say.

May 13, 2013 8:00 AM  
Anonymous drippety-drip said...

thanks for the suggestion!!

hahahahaha!!!

the latest drip-drip is that the IRS wasn't just targeting the Tea party but also any group who sought to educate the public on the Constitution

you know how pesky Obama think the Constitution is!!

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