Sunday, September 17, 2023

Backing Off Here, A Bit

This blog started in 2004, when our suburban county came under attack by a new kind of religious rightwing ideology. They were arbitrarily, viciously anti-gay and felt that the public schools should endorse their bigotry by refusing to teach the actual fact that there are gay and trans people in the world. They had a dumb and dangerous idea and it ran against any credible concept of knowledge and education.

Teach the Facts supported the school district to get a decent curriculum in place. The MCPS bureaucracy was sometimes shockingly unwilling to take risks, but individuals within the system were able to communicate and work with us, and we got the job done. That controversy has been forgotten and now our county's kids get a little bit more realistic view of human variation, taking the outcomes of our struggle for granted. As they should.

The school district was pretty bad then but not like it is now. Over the years it has become a closed system that resists the community rather than working with it. The recent example, uncovered in the Post, of principal Joel Beidleman, who had been abusing teachers and students for years, was an eye-opener -- and you know it's the tip of the iceberg, he's not the only one. Turns out MCPS just kept promoting this malevolent person and moving him around, and it got worse and worse. And then they appointed their own lawyers to investigate themselves and the report, so far, has been whitewash. That's what we can expect from here on out.

This month, MCPS is hosting three different events by Moms for Liberty, a far-right hate group seeking to undermine the values of our community. There is very little outrage at this point; our liberal leaders are afraid to say anything and most county residents are unaware of these events.

FYI, here are the three upcoming MCPS-hosted Moms for Liberty events:
  • Mon, Sept 18, 6:30 PM, Shady Grove Middle School (media center), Moms for Liberty Chapter Meeting
  • Tues, Sept 26, 11AM, Gaithersburg High School: "Protest Gender Ideology in Our Schools"
  • Tues, Sept 26, 7-9PM, Wootton High School, "Giving Parents a Voice" townhall

During the first wave of attacks from the right, our group of parents and local residents organized and aligned with other groups and with LGBT leaders as well as allies within the MCPS administration. Working together we marched forward through an onslaught of lawsuits and protests and dirty tricks, pushing back against the hatred until it retreated. We were aggressive about it and also funny -- conservatives have no response when you just make fun of them.

This time around, conservatives and religious groups have declared war on classroom reading materials with LGBT+ characters, trying to get a provision for opting out, and so far they are almost entirely unopposed. The liberals who have appointed themselves to support the current policy do not want to engage with the attacking hordes swarming down on our county. They are literally afraid of violence if we fight back. They don't want people to speak out because they are literally afraid someone will say something that can be taken wrong. I say "literally" because they have said this in public announcements. They want all statements to the press to be filtered through spokespersons who will be careful not to offend anyone or cause trouble. They will say happy things like "Lead with love," and "Radiate positivity."

The one county leader who has addressed the situation was ambushed by her own party and criticized in the national press for stating the obvious. The rest of our "leaders," when forced to comment, utter lukewarm platitudes and that's it. They're hoping this whole thing goes away on its own.

The liberal leaders want to "promote the inclusive books" and "support the LGBTQIA+ community." Fine, but those are not the problem. The books are in classrooms already and there is no real movement to get rid of them. LGBT-supportive policies are in place, big time, the school district is working hard to provide a welcoming environment. This is not the time to play defense.

Stories with LGBT+ characters are not a problem. Gay and trans people are not a problem. Those are simply the wrong places to focus energy.

The problem is ignorant, hateful conservatives trying to tear down the fundamentals of Western liberal society, and they are now active in our county. The insurrection is sometimes bleakly obvious, like when there are tiki torch marches, swastikas painted on synagogues, bubba smearing poop on the walls in the Capitol building, but sometimes you can't quite believe that it has slipped into your own neighborhood. It has, and it's serious. It's cool to have nonbinary dance parties and rainbow bumper stickers but I personally would like to see someone addressing the actual existential problem. Directly, forcefully.

"Inclusive" doesn't mean you define some group as different from everybody else, and then hold dance parties and wave signs for them, put their flags in your front yard and their bumper stickers on your car. Our MCPS English classes can and do have readings about all kinds of people -- there aren't "normal" readings and also "inclusive" readings. Our county's leading liberals see "inclusive" as a special category of people requiring special attention. They are not doing anyone any favors with their divisiveness.

There has been protest from the Muslim community, and our Montgomery County "liberals" turned Islamophobic on a dime. This opposition could have been melted away long ago by the school district, with a thoughtful and empathic communication strategy rather than wagon-circling. And even now, dialog could defuse and dissolve the situation. But there won't be any.

Though Councilmember Kristin Mink noted that the Muslim protesters are different from regular rightwing bigots, our leading liberals toss them in with Trumpers and nazis, as if they're all the same. In reality, the Muslim opposition to homosexuality is the same as their opposition to eating pork, it's a religious prohibition and they have the right to believe what they believe. And the public schools have a responsibility to respect their religion, it doesn't matter if other people agree with it or not. Religious beliefs are not a matter of opinion, we don't debate them and adopt the ones that win the argument. People believe "on faith," which means they accept the authority of a religious tradition, and the Constitution protects that.

But the current situation is not like forcing Muslims to eat pork, it is like getting them to read a story where someone eats pork. And there is no religious prohibition against that. Even devout Muslims can read a story with gay people in it.

Who has sat down with any Muslim protesters and shown them these books? A: nobody. Most of the protesters don't even know what they are protesting against. Our liberal so-called activists don't want anything to do with actually resolving the standoff. They want more rainbow umbrellas and flags, and to avoid discussion (aka "confrontation") where it would actually do some good. It would be nice to have these Muslims on our side in the real, serious fight against fascism, but that won't happen as long as "we" lump them together with fascist bigots. As we speak, they are meeting and organizing with well-funded rightwing extremists, having been kicked out of the county liberal establishment. Great. Just great.

This blog doesn't get very many readers these days, and it would be nice to see somebody take the lead in this crisis. My usual approach here is to wait until there are about 200 comments, which means it takes a couple extra clicks to refresh the screen, and then I post something mainly so commenters have a place to argue. We are not influencing public opinion.

You might not think so, but writing these things is a lot of work. Many drafts are thrown away, most are re-written repeatedly and edited for days before I post them. And what is the payoff? Pretty much nuthin. So my tendency is to hang it up here. Maybe somebody will step forward in our community and say what needs to be said. It doesn't have to be me. I would suggest someone younger, more resilient, somebody with a sense of humor and thick skin.

There are reasons to believe the good fight can still be won. My feeling is that Montgomery County Council Member Kristin Mink is a rising star in the national progressive scene, and serious people should get behind her and support her. Our Democratic establishment feels threatened by her -- she's young, thoughtful, she's outspoken, she has tattoos fer cryin' out loud. She doesn't string cliches together, she seems to have a clear and sensible political philosophy and bases her decisions on that. I am pretty sure she sees her political position clearly, and hope she will plan her future with a realistic view of what her starting-point is. Another ray of sunshine is political scientist Sunil Dasgupta's I Hate Politics podcast, which holds a magnifying glass over local Montgomery County issues; he gently elicits important statements from elected leaders and others, often backing them into corners they would prefer to avoid. But besides those two, we can expect to see a bunch of risk-averse Democrats waving their "Yay Us" pom-poms and chanting the same old stuff, the same signs in the yard and same bumper stickers.

I'll post this and maybe when we get to 200 I'll just close the comments and leave the archived blog here as a historical resource. Who knows, maybe something will happen and I will post some more. Right now, I'm not feeling like the effort is justified, and will be backing off a bit.

90 Comments:

Anonymous Merrick Garland ... LOL! said...

David Ignatius:

I admire many of the things that President Biden has done in domestic policy and in his foreign policy. I did come to feel over the summer that the basic goal he had set himself when he ran for president in 2019 of stopping Donald Trump was at risk, and that this needed to be discussed.

I haven't been anywhere in conversations with Democrats, people who follow politics, where this has not been an issue that's something that absorbs people, fills dinner conversations. But it hasn't been discussed in public. I thought it was appropriate that that discussion begin.

I think we are running out of time for there to be a meaningful process of looking at alternative candidates. In a month or two, it will be done. I think this is the time to have that conversation. I hope that the Democrats will join in this. In the end, this is Joe Biden's decision. If he decides he is the person who can beat Donald Trump and beat the Republican candidate, he is going to run. But I think he needs to search his soul and think carefully about it. I hope he does that...

So my answer is that the poll numbers show she's a little bit more unpopular, roughly the same unpopularity as the president. My impression from talking to people in Washington, around the country is that she has not been successful in the way that she would want in getting traction as Vice President. The key question with somebody who's as old as Vice President -- excuse me -- President Biden will be is whether people see the vice president as a strong successor, so far I don't think she's made that case to the country. If she's going to make it, now is the time.

September 18, 2023 6:34 AM  
Anonymous Donald Hoover Trump was the second US president to leave office with fewer jobs in the US than when his term began said...

Well it's been fun and interesting and I'm so glad MCPS has medically accurate sex education thanks at least in part to the support TTF and Vigilance blog raised for it.

I doubt there'll be any red waves here in MoCo to worry about.

Thanks for your posts.

Enjoy your retirement.

September 18, 2023 6:34 AM  
Anonymous Kamala Harris ....LOL! said...


"Donald Hoover Trump was the second US president to leave office with fewer jobs in the US than when his term began"

a ignorantly out-of-context argument

there was a pandemic to consider and most of those out-of-work chose to be

before the pandemic, Trump had the lowest minority unemployment in history

he'll be back in 2025 so you will be able to witness it all over again

probably be gettin' time for some new Supreme Court appointments

September 18, 2023 6:48 AM  
Anonymous Inject bleach! said...

"probably be gettin' time for some new Supreme Court appointments"

Yes, pro-women pro-choice SCOTUS appointees would help but he won't get reelected to do so.

After all, Trump has declined to go along with some of his rivals, most notably his onetime vice president, Mike Pence, who is pushing for national bans that would take effect relatively early into a pregnancy. He’s warned Republicans against locking themselves into positions that are unpopular with a majority of the public, like pussy grabbing and forced births.

September 18, 2023 10:11 AM  
Anonymous Anthoy Fauci....LOL! said...


"Yes, pro-women pro-choice SCOTUS appointees would help but he won't get reelected to do so"

"pro-women pro-choice" is an oxymoron

more than half of aborted fetuses are female

any government that doesn't protect them is hardly "pro-woman"

further, Roe was properly overturned as abortion are unmentioned in the Constitution an couldn't possibly be a constitutional right

September 18, 2023 10:19 AM  
Anonymous Three-fifths Clause was in the Constitution. The fourteenth amendment repealed it. said...

White supremacists sure would like to see the three-fifths compromise come back so they wouldn't have to have SCOTUS tell them how many minority districts their state needs to have.

So Trump U law grad, do tell where is FORCED BIRTH mentioned in the US Constitution?

We'll wait.

September 18, 2023 10:47 AM  
Anonymous Al Franken... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said...


"Three-fifths Clause was in the Constitution. The fourteenth amendment repealed it."

but there is no amendment making abortion a constitutional right, and there never will be,

see the difference now?

"White supremacists sure would like to see the three-fifths compromise come back"

I've never heard a white supremacist express that desire but, then, I don't pay as much attention to them as you do

they are an inconsequential sliver of the population

"So Trump U law grad,"

I didn't know Trump U had a law school, but, then, I never paid as much attention to it as you do

they are an inconsequential sliver

"do tell where is FORCED BIRTH mentioned in the US Constitution?"

who said it was?

it's not

so government is free to outlaw it, based on the worldview of voters

just like the Supreme Court said

"We'll wait."

maybe you should wait until you take your meds, before further embarrassing yourself by making stupid comments

September 18, 2023 1:12 PM  
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September 19, 2023 9:39 AM  
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September 19, 2023 9:39 AM  
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September 19, 2023 4:02 PM  
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September 19, 2023 9:04 PM  
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September 19, 2023 9:05 PM  
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September 20, 2023 6:38 AM  
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September 20, 2023 6:39 AM  
Anonymous Biden's camoaign and Hunter were being investigated for criminal violations but when Slidin' Biden became President, they backed off a bit...LOL! said...

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September 20, 2023 8:34 AM  
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September 20, 2023 8:42 AM  
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September 20, 2023 10:27 AM  
Anonymous remember when the liberals said Hispanics would never vote for Trump because he said some Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers?...LOL! said...

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September 20, 2023 11:43 AM  
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September 20, 2023 12:53 PM  
Blogger David S. Fishback said...

Jim,
I read your post with great interest. Navigating the current controversy will be a challenge, and your observations are always worth considering. Thank you.

September 20, 2023 9:09 PM  
Blogger David S. Fishback said...

A couple of points now, though.

First, MCPS is not "hosting" the Moms for Liberty Events. MCPS long ago set up a system by which community individuals and groups could use MCPS facilities for meetings. As we learned in the battles over the PFOX flyers, when the government maintains a public forum, it cannot discriminate based on viewpoint.

Second, you suggest that "[t]his opposition could have been melted away long ago by the school district, with a thoughtful and empathic communication strategy rather than wagon-circling. And even now, dialog could defuse and dissolve the situation."

MCPS certainly could have handled the rollout better, but I do not see how a "dialog could defuse and dissolve the situation." Do you have any thoughts about how this could be done?

September 20, 2023 9:21 PM  
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September 21, 2023 5:32 AM  
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September 21, 2023 5:35 AM  
Anonymous hi, it's Andrew Cuomo. I hear someone in the White House is kinda old. should I run for President?... said...

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September 21, 2023 5:42 AM  
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September 21, 2023 9:02 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

David I will reiterate the same thing I have told you and others in the past. This is a long comment so I am breaking it into two parts. (I almost never comment here, and hope I get the two parts in the right order.)

First, the rightwing groups just have to be dealt with head-on. They need to be challenged, confronted, called out, made fun of, protested, and undermined in every way possible. Fear of violence and fear of saying the wrong thing are pusillanimous excuses for letting fascists take over our county. I don't care what you call it, our public schools are being used for rightwing recruitment and indoctrination, and there are ways for powerful people to stop these kinds of things from happening. The evil of white supremacy is not something that can be debated or reasoned out of existence, it must be squashed like a bug. One side seems to believe in being polite here, letting the other side go ahead.

As for the situation with the Muslim protesters, they have a religious belief, going back to the Companions of the Prophet, that homosexuality should be punished by death. We have a Constitution that says they have to right to that belief, and the schools have no business telling them what to believe. Their belief is a given. It doesn't make them bad people, it is just a religious prohibition like others, but it is not obvious how to reconcile that tradition with our modern Western liberal education which strives to treat all individuals as fully empowered participants in our society.

The truth is that MCPS is not trying to persuade anyone to "engage in" homosexuality as it is defined in Islamic tradition, which would be a violation of religious freedom, but these protesting Muslims say that is what these readings do. They are believing what they are told by hardline leaders and rightwing Christian conservatives, and are largely unfamiliar with the actual classroom readings. So the central issue here really pivots on agreement regarding the factual truth, which makes it a tractable problem.

By the way, anyone discussing this must immediately cleave "parents' rights" arguments from religious freedom ones. If there is a case for religious freedom, it should stand on its own. "We want to decide when our kids should learn certain things" is not a religious freedom point and should be debated separately.

The only resolution I can see at this point is a serious, tightly-run Roberts-Rules meeting or series of meetings between MCPS educators and administrators and Muslim clergy, CAIR leaders, including at least one moderate Muslim group, chaired by a trusted person. Maybe an LGBT+ leader or two, a queer Muslim would be best. The meeting should be small (<20), should be held at a neutral site, it should be private, minutes should be published but not transcriptions. Ground rules should specify conditions that ensure moderate Muslims can speak without retribution from their religious or political authorities. Participants will be free to talk about the meeting, within those light constraints. The meeting should start with a real schoolteacher reading something like "Pride Puppy" to the group, and a couple other books, followed by comment from Muslim leaders regarding the conflict between the readings and Islamic faith.
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September 21, 2023 9:04 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

(cont'd from above)

The protesters cannot and do not deny the obvious existence of gay and trans people, and there is not a strong case to be made that LGBT+ members of our society should not be represented in fiction, but meeting attendees can be invited to make that case. Also, they can present reasoning that students in public school should not learn about that section of their society's population. Attendees should look at the boundary and overlap between secular education and Sharia law, which is what this is about. (Hint: there is no overlap.) This is not a Muslim country, Muslims are a small minority here, public schools are not bound to support their religious traditions, and they will have to develop ways to preserve their traditions among themselves without interfering with the majority. Well, the group will have to determine their own agenda, I am just suggesting topics. The goal should be to find common ground and maintain cordial integration of various groups within our community.

The group should work toward development of a public statement that can be presented to the BOE and Superintendent. Consensus would be a goal but a majority opinion and dissent could be the result; they should be combined in one document, rather than having a privately published (and undisciplined) dissent as in the past. The statement should set wheels in motion in MCPS; if changes are proposed they should be studied openly and publicly, and any recommendations that are not accepted within a reasonable time should require an explanation.

It may be that the county and the school district do not have any legal or procedural allowance for such a meeting with citizens on a special topic. Some polite rule-followers will want to throw up their hands and say that there is no way to arrange such a meeting. Do not put me down as "optimistic," but I don't see any other way out of this situation.

It will be hard to find someone who can chair this and organize it. The liberal side is going to want to limit the search to the queer community, as a way of forcing their exclusionary concept of "inclusiveness" on the group, and we can see the Venn diagram is two circles on opposite sides of the page. As I complain in this post, our county's political leadership is frozen in fear of offending someone or saying something that some media can twist (ex1: "Kristin Mink called Muslims bigots.") (ex2: "Glass Expresses 'Profound Disappointment' With Mink's Comments.") I personally cannot think of a person who would be acceptable to all parties, who would have the leadership skills to keep the discussion on track and drive it toward agreement, and also has knowledge of county dynamics necessary to manage the riptides. We have a few gems in the community, and I don't follow closely enough to recommend someone. It is likely that both "inclusionary" liberals and Sharia-supporting Muslims have isolated themselves from the general public so distinctly that there is no one who can speak to both.

I am defining the problem and it solution in this way: these readings do not intrude on religious freedom; religious protesters believe they do; calm, rational exposure to the books will make the fact clear; group pressure that has built up needs to be released in a careful, controlled deflation managed by actual grown-ups from all sides of the issue.

The consequence of failing to do something like this is 1.Muslim extremists join with Christian conservatives to hasten the destruction of the county's educational and political system, and/or 2.Muslims establish private schools, where Islamic law is applied and cultural separation is increased.

This is just a thought of mine. Maybe dance parties and rainbow flags will solve the problem, I don't know, David, if there are enough of them. I don't like to see my country run into a ditch, otherwise I don't have any reason to be involved in this controversy. I am just an old man in the bleachers yelling at the ref.

September 21, 2023 9:04 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Anon, I am not really in the mood for your poisonous diarrhea this morning. If you have something to say, fine. Otherwise, I suggest Immodium, though you have a pretty bad case here, you might need a prescription for this.

September 21, 2023 9:19 AM  
Anonymous the gay agenda is totalitarian said...

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September 21, 2023 10:55 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

David, two things I forgot to mention.

At the start of the meeting, probably after the readings but maybe before, the Muslim clerics should explain what their religious prohibition is, exactly. What do they believe and what are they not allowed to do? They can give some background of the origins and history of this particular facet of their belief system. My understanding is that the prohibition covers a narrow range of physical activities, but whatever it is needs to be spelled out. Is it all right to have close same-sex friends? Share a house? A bed? Does it apply to women as well as men? Is it allowable to talk (or read) about someone who may be gay or trans, or to be friends with them? Do you disown or kill gay family members, and what is the criterion for that? The point being, the school district needs to be able to ascertain when they are, in fact, violating a religious requirement. This can be a chance for them to educate the broader public.

The other thing, which I believe I mentioned earlier to you and others, was that the meeting should have a sergeant at arms and a strict agreement about emotional outbursts, interruptions, personal attacks, etc., which can be enforced by censure or removal simply on the basis of the word of the chairperson or sergeant at arms. And I would recommend enforcing it at the slightest eye-roll, sarcastic chuckle, or display of disrespect.

September 21, 2023 2:42 PM  
Anonymous Pere Buttagieg....LOL! said...

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September 21, 2023 4:40 PM  
Anonymous it's beginnning to look like Slip-Slidin' Biden won't be re-elected!!!!!!!!....... said...

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September 21, 2023 4:49 PM  
Anonymous likely voters ...LOL! said...


This is just sad....

Biden is running neck and neck in general election polls with a guy who is currently indicted on 91 felony charges and awaiting trial.

Meanwhile, an anti-vaxxer is preferred by 25% of Democratic voters for their party's nomination. And they'd leave the Democratic Party if this anti-vaxxer ran on a third party ticket!

A quarter of Democratic voters favor Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in their party’s primary, and many would vote for Kennedy if he ran as a third-party candidate in 2024.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely Democratic voters would vote for President Joe Biden in the 2024 Democratic primaries, while 25% would vote for RFK Jr.

September 22, 2023 2:13 AM  
Anonymous "I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself," Ronald Reagan said...

Only one poll will matter and US voters will take it on Tuesday, November 5, 2024, IF (big if) the GQPers in the House of Representatives can manage to keep our government from shutting down.

September 22, 2023 9:40 AM  
Anonymous for millennia, the world has recognized that any valid marriage needs to include both genders.......... said...

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September 22, 2023 10:15 AM  
Anonymous already, there are 22 pieces of evidence that Slidin' Biden is guilty...no joke said...

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September 22, 2023 10:27 AM  
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September 22, 2023 10:29 AM  
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September 22, 2023 10:29 AM  
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September 22, 2023 10:30 AM  
Blogger JimK said...

Not in the mood for trolling, Anon.

September 22, 2023 11:23 AM  
Anonymous really love impeachment when Slidin' Biden is the tree said...

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September 22, 2023 11:44 AM  
Anonymous How distressing. said...


Anon is apparently in her manic phase and off her meds.

You might want to call your doctor, dear.

September 22, 2023 12:21 PM  
Anonymous "How distressing" thinks it's manic that it takes four posts to squeeze in all the evidence of Biden corruption. Suffice to say this will be an archive of TTF's intolerance for discussion said...


The establishment media has its marching orders regarding the Hunter Biden story, and they didn’t waste a minute. With Donald Trump’s legal circus all but over, we have many long months to talk about Hunter Biden. It will be in the news because House Republicans are launching an impeachment inquiry. Some of the unofficial spokespersons of this effort aren’t the best, and the strategy is flawed, but the liberal media line has been etched in stone: there is no evidence.

They will keep repeating it until everything is drawn together, creating a potential situation where liberal America must eat more crow than during their restitution period for believing the Russian collusion hoax. Multiple House GOP memos from Oversight have elaborated how the complex system of shell corporations and scheduled payments allowed Joe Biden to steer clear of legal scrutiny.

What father doesn’t know his son is raking in $20 million from oligarchs and being part of this scheme? You don’t think he’s getting a piece of the action? We’ll see. That’s the point. The evidence for an inquiry exists, something that Speaker Kevin McCarthy pulled out of a reporter when she tried delegitimizing the effort.

And if there is no evidence, why are reporters who have defended the Biden family over these allegations, so soft? The Washington Post’s Philip Bump suffered a total meltdown, leaving Noam Dworman’s podcast when pressed about aspects of the Hunter Biden bribery allegations. Now, a former New York Times reporter did the same on a podcast with a RealClearInvestigations reporter. James Risen barely lasted 20 minutes before hanging up the phone.

September 23, 2023 9:07 AM  
Anonymous As MCPS sex ed curriculum knows...... said...

Hope is not a method.

Good luck to the GQPers who plan to try to make something out of nothing for another two years while allowing the US to shut down, yet again, because GQPers can't pass much of anything.

Here's Wikipedia's summary of the last time Donald Hoover Trump and his GQP minions shut down the US:

"The United States federal government shutdown from midnight EST on December 22, 2018, until January 25, 2019 (35 days) was the longest government shutdown in history[1][2] and the second[a] and final federal government shutdown involving furloughs during the presidency of Donald Trump. It occurred when the 115th Congress and Trump could not agree on an appropriations bill to fund the operations of the federal government for the 2019 fiscal year, or a temporary continuing resolution that would extend the deadline for passing a bill. The Antideficiency Act prohibits federal departments or agencies from conducting non-essential operations without appropriations legislation in place. As a result, nine executive departments with around 800,000 employees had to shut down partially or in full, affecting about one-fourth of government activities and causing employees to be furloughed or required to work without being paid.[3] The Congressional Budget Office estimated the shutdown cost the American economy at least $11 billion USD, excluding indirect costs that were difficult to quantify.[4]"

"four posts" ??

You got deleted more than 25 times in a few days, darling.

BTW, memory is the second thing to go.

September 23, 2023 3:00 PM  
Anonymous Violent Crime: let's give it a more accurate name: abortion... said...


"You got deleted more than 25 times in a few days, darling.

BTW, memory is the second thing to go."

don't know if were paying attention, sweetheart

but Mr TTF didn't originally delete the posts until I participated in the discussion with David

as he said, that made him "grouchy"

feel free to comment on anything I say

don't think the blog is intended as a mutual admiration society

go ahead and make substantive counters if you think I've spoken incorrectly

here's an example of a non-substantive comment:

"Anon is apparently in her manic phase and off her meds.

You might want to call your doctor, dear."

and, yes, TTFers are marching lockstep with the Democratic plan to claim falsely that there is NO evidence that Biden has engaged in impeachable acts

at this point, there is plenty to justify the hearings taking place

I posted 22 examples

September 23, 2023 9:19 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Copy and pasting edited text from rightwing web sites is not "commenting." If you actually believe there is some evidence that Biden broke a law, then say so, and say what it is. Don't flood the zone with bullshit: communicate.

You are a guest here. I have been ridiculously tolerant for years but it really does just depend on my mood. And I am currently not in the mood to host your ignorantly sarcastic trolling.

September 23, 2023 9:53 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

PS If you thought you were participating in a conversation with David, I didn't notice. I don't know or care who you think you are conversing with. I checked in here and found a ton of spewage and cleaned it up.

It doesn't appear that these deletions decrement the counter, so 200 comments will be gone pretty quickly with nothing to show for it.

September 23, 2023 10:31 PM  
Anonymous right wing, extra spicy said...

"I didn't notice"

age happens

People disagreeing everywhere you look
Makes you want to stop and read a book

Why only yesterday I saw somebody on the street
That was really shook

Well, but this old river keeps on rolling low

No matter what gets in the way and which way the wind does blow

And as long as it does, I'll just sit here

And watch the river flow

September 24, 2023 5:05 AM  
Anonymous heterosexuality is how life is perpetuated and it has a privileged status said...


yikes, the Washington Post has a new poll with Trump ahead of Biden in the general election BY TEN POINTS

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

if Dems insist on re-nominating the addled President, they may find themselves voting for Larry Hogan of the No Labels Party

September 24, 2023 4:27 PM  
Anonymous Donald Hoover Trump: The second US president to leave office with fewer jobs in the US than when his term began. said...




Now all Donald Hoover Trump has to do is maintain his very early lead through all his upcoming court cases for the next 14 months or so.

Joe Biden has barely begun to campaign and here come all his infrastructure deals in all those voting districts across the country.

September 24, 2023 5:21 PM  
Anonymous remember: Slidin' Biden's Afghan fiasco was the biggest transfer of arms to a terrorist group in history - and that was just beginning of Bumblin' Joe's annus horriblus... said...

"Now all Donald Hoover Trump has to do is maintain his very early lead through all his upcoming court cases for the next 14 months or so."

are you kidding? every new political show trial that pops up makes his polls climb

Americans aren't stupid

they know it's all a political game

"Joe Biden has barely begun to campaign and here come all his infrastructure deals in all those voting districts across the country."

he won't leave his basement, knowing the more people see him, the less they findd to like

September 24, 2023 10:38 PM  
Anonymous for millennia, the world has recognized that any valid marriage needs to include both genders.......... said...

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September 25, 2023 9:55 AM  
Anonymous does pee review work when the status quo is pushing a foregone conclusion? said...


Scientist Patrick T. Brown recently acknowledged having “left out the full truth” in regard to climate change, pushing the blame on human causes in order for his study to be published in a reputable journal.

The Johns Hopkins University lecturer and doctor of earth and climate sciences fessed up that he had molded his studies’ results to gain the approval of editors at Nature and Science.

In The Free Press, Brown wrote, “And the editors of these journals have made it abundantly clear, both by what they publish and what they reject, that they want climate papers that support certain preapproved narratives—even when those narratives come at the expense of broader knowledge for society.”

The study in Nature magazine claimed that climate change impacted the extreme wildfires such as those in California and Maui.

Brown, however, has admitted that he “focused narrowly” on the human causes of such fires, rather than focusing on other “obviously relevant factors.”

The scientist casted blame on this deception to the pressure that people in his position are under when it comes to getting their studies published with respected organizations.

September 25, 2023 12:23 PM  
Anonymous read this fast...LOL! said...


as we all know well at this point, the Washington Post did a general election poll, which showed Slidin' Biden losing by TEN points to a person indicted ON 93 felonies

what hasn't been discussed much is the reaction of the Post

they are embarrassed and said the general election poll is just an "outlier"

however, they didn't make that claim about the other partS of the poll, which show that voters rate Slidin' Biden poorly in virtually aspect of his job

Slidin' Biden's job approval rating in the new survey is 37%, with disapproval at 56%

approval of his handling of the economy is 30%

approval of his handling of the border crisis is 23%

the survey found deep unhappiness about the state of the economy in general, energy prices, food prices, and the income of average workers

only 33% of Democrats said they want Biden to run for a second term, versus 62% who don't

and, at the same time, NBC took a poll and found Slidin' Biden losing to Nikki Haley by FIVE points

one thing is clear: Americans want Biden out of the White House

we may be looking a repeat of the 1972 election where Nixon won every state but Massachusetts

Slidin' Biden needs to do an LBJ, circa February 1968

September 25, 2023 7:02 PM  
Blogger Orin Ryssman said...

Greetings Jim, it has been awhile...almost 20 years fighting the fight for progressivism...err, I mean facts. I will agree with you though that the fight for sexual variation is a tough one, and that banning books is a losing strategy...but doesn't everyone deserve to be heard? Still, this battle has been going on for a really long time, or am I missing something like the fact that we are coming up on the 100th anniversary of the Scopes Trial?

Well, that is about all I have the attention span for this evening, kind regards.

September 25, 2023 10:31 PM  
Anonymous the renomination of Slidin' Joe Biden will be the biggest mistake made by Dems since they created the Ku Klux Klan said...

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September 26, 2023 6:09 AM  
Anonymous Slidin' Biden has nothung to worry about - he can just campaign on Bidenomics.......LOL! said...


The economy increasingly is a losing argument for President Biden’s reelection.

A slew of new polls show voters’ rising level of frustration with “Bidenomics,” the term Mr. Biden has embraced for his efforts to reshape the economy on behalf of working people.

Nearly 3 out of 4 voters — 72% — say they are dissatisfied with the Biden economy in the latest NBC News poll.

Even more ominous for the president’s reelection campaign, 44% of Americans say in the latest ABC News/Washington Post survey that they are worse off financially under Mr. Biden’s presidency, while 15% say they are doing better. That’s the worst for any president in the poll since 1986.

“Get ready to hear more about this,” Jason Miller, an adviser to former President Donald Trump, posted on social media. “A LOT more.”

September 26, 2023 6:12 AM  
Anonymous Donald Hoover Trump: The second US president to leave office with fewer jobs in the US than when his term began. said...

"he won't leave his basement, knowing the more people see him, the less they findd [sic] to like"

So uninformed.

President Biden, at the invitation of union leaders, will proudly march on the picket line with striking autoworkers today.

Tomorrow, trying to get more media coverage than the GOP presidential debate, Mr. Trump will speak at a non-union shop because he doesn't think workers deserve unions to support them and their families.

September 26, 2023 8:03 AM  
Anonymous here comes TTF's 19th nervous breakdown said...


"President Biden, at the invitation of union leaders, will proudly march on the picket line with striking autoworkers today"

oddly, Presidential campaigns that get too cozy with labor unions tend to not end well

Here's bad news for TTFers. A bright young candidate is surging in the GOP race. If Christie, DeSantis, and Ramaswamy drop out and endorse her, she'll be tied in the polls with Trump. No, young, reasonable candidate to the geriatric Slidin' Biden

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/nh/2024_new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-7396.html

September 26, 2023 3:37 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Anon your quote from Gould is fake.

September 26, 2023 4:15 PM  
Anonymous Former House Speaker Paul Ryan said...

Former House Speaker Paul Ryan said Tuesday that Republicans will lose the presidential election if Donald Trump is the nominee and that he expects hard-right followers of Trump to force a government shutdown within days.

"The party that puts the first fresh face forward wins this election," Ryan said at an event on the University of Wisconsin campus organized by the Robert M. La Follette School of Public Affairs.

If the race is between Trump and President Joe Biden, Ryan said, “I think Biden wins.”

“I think leaders should endeavor to be honest, ethical, moral people who try to set standards for themselves and lead by example across the country," Ryan said. "Donald Trump doesn’t try to do any of that. He does the opposite, frankly. So I just don't think he's fit for the job here.”

Ryan said in the small number of swing states, including Wisconsin, the election will come down to winning over suburban voters.

“Do you think those suburban voters like Donald Trump more since Jan. 6?" Ryan said. "I mean, good grief. They didn’t vote for him this last time, they’re not going to vote for him again.”

Ryan also had harsh words about Trump's followers in Congress, who he said were not interested in governing or finding a solution to avoid a government shutdown.

But with just five days to go before Saturday’s government shutdown deadline, the Senate is trying to stave off a federal closure as hard-right lawmakers seize control of the House. Senators unveiled a bipartisan stopgap measure to keep offices funded temporarily, through Nov. 17, to buy time for Congress to finish its work.

Ryan was speaker of the House during the last government shutdown in 2018, which lasted a record-long 36 days.

“There are a bunch of people who I think feel this is in their interest," Ryan said of a shutdown. "So I fear that is going to happen.”

Ryan faulted Republicans in Congress for not proposing an alternative.

“It's nihilism, is what it is,” he said. “We look like fools. We look like we can’t govern.”

September 27, 2023 7:08 AM  
Anonymous Doddering Donald Trump said...

Trump’s “cognitive beauties” from just the last 10 days:

Trump “said you need an ID to buy bread. Has anyone shown ID to get Wonder Bread lately? He said that he ran against Obama in 2016. He ran against Hillary Clinton. He warned that Biden will get us into World War Two, which I’m pretty sure we already fought and won. And yesterday, he confused Jeb Bush and George W. Bush and said Jeb got us involved in the Middle East.”

And here are Trump’s latest “authoritarian posts” on his Truth Social platform.

The four-time-indicted Republican 2024 frontrunner in the last week alone has talked about executing outgoing chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley and threatened to investigate Comcast, the parent company of NBCUniversal, NBC News and MSNBC, if he wins back the White House.

Imagine if Biden said, ‘You know what, I’m going to look into that Fox News? They don’t seem to like me over there.'

September 27, 2023 7:21 AM  
Anonymous Don's dog whistle to his favorite white supremacist supporters said...

Trump visited Palmetto State Armory on Monday, where he admired a handgun engraved and decorated inis his honor. He repeatedly said he wanted to buy a gun there—which would be a violation of federal law given his many indictments.

Palmetto State Armory is where the white man who opened fire in a Dollar General store in a predominantly Black neighborhood in Jacksonville FL on Saturday, August 26, 2023, killing three people, all of whom were Black, shopped for guns.

At least one of the guns the shooter used came from Palmetto State Armory, a store in Summerville, South Carolina. The Jacksonville sheriff’s office shared photos of the firearms used in the attack on its Facebook page. One of the guns is clearly engraved with the Palmetto State Armory logo. The shooter had also drawn swastikas on the gun.

When the Jacksonville shooting happened, Trump did not issue any statement on the tragedy. But you could argue that this campaign stop is a kind of tacit statement. He put the spotlight on Palmetto State Armory, praised its inventory, and tried to offer it business.

Palmetto State Armory has openly embraced far-right ideology. In 2020, it began marketing its products using imagery and language associated with the “boogaloo,” slang for racist violence and even a call for full-on race war. It has also come to mean war to topple the government.

The Jacksonville shooter shouldn’t have been able to buy the guns in the first place. He was held in Florida state custody in 2017 for mental health issues, disqualifying him from owning a gun under a statute called the Baker Act.

September 27, 2023 8:58 AM  
Anonymous for millennia, the world has recognized that any valid marriage needs to include both genders.......... said...


"Anon your quote from Gould is fake."

thanks for pointing that out

looks like I was recalling a paraphrase

here's the actual quote:

“The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our text- books have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils. Yet Darwin was so wedded to gradualism that he wagered his entire theory on a denial of this literal record."

[Evolution’s Erratic Pace - "Natural History," May 1977]”

btw, saying something is false and then deleting it, undermines your credibility.

"The party that puts the first fresh face forward wins this election,"

I couldn't agree more, which is why I think the rise of Nikki Haley is such bad news for Dems

things happen fast the latest couple of weeks before the primaries begin

if Trump falters, which he hopefully will, the GOP has several reasonable options

Dems have an anti-vaxxer and a new age writer who wants to meditate on crystals

LOL!

maybe the fresh face will come from the No-Labels Party

September 27, 2023 2:24 PM  
Anonymous remember: RBG's narcissism is why Amy Conet Barrett was there to overturn Roe... said...


here's the dirty little secret of climate science:

more people die of cold every year than heat, and heat-related deaths have been declining for decades

September 27, 2023 2:29 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Yes this was where Gould introduced the concept of punctuated equilibria. The great majority of mutations result in a decline in fitness, usually in death of the individual at birth or before, and increasing fitness often requires several simultaneous or nearly-simultaneous changes to occur. These might take place over a relatively small number of generations, during which many individuals are not significantly fitter than their ancestors. Individuals in the in-between generations might have adaptations not found in their predecessors but not in a combination that increases fitness; some survive but they are not evolutionarily stable, and do not leave much in the record -- which remember is some scientists digging in the dirt where they think they will find fossils, finding a tiny proportion of all existing remains from millions of years ago. The more fit and more stable phenotypes -- what we call "species" -- survive and reproduce and are relatively much more plentiful than temporary transitional forms.

Gould was not saying that paleontologists are covering up the actual truth of creationism, or that science is fake, or that evolution is false. He was pointing out in 1977 that this was a kind of anomaly that had not been addressed. Stable species are found but not transitional forms; it's just a scientific question and led to advancements in the theory. Darwin had described an incremental process, but it does not change at a uniform rate (Gould noted). A stable state is attained, and then some new mutations that accumulate in a short time may be adaptive and a new species pattern will stabilize. There are species alive today that are so stable they have existed for hundreds of millions of years. There's nothing here for you or the Federalist Society, whose lie you quoted.

I deleted your post because it was bullshit trolling, besides being false.

September 27, 2023 4:19 PM  
Anonymous good ol' Gould said...


"Gould was not saying that paleontologists are covering up the actual truth of creationism, or that science is fake, or that evolution is false"

I don't think he was saying that either. I think he was saying there is no proof of the origin of species. Punctuated equilibrium makes sense and if I had a deontological FAITH in evolution and wanted to say it was a forgone conclusion, it would be a reasonable way to explain the conflict between what Darwin described and the FACTS.

When Gould said it was a "trade secret", which the quote I remember as "dirty little secret", I think he was saying this is not understood by the general public. Both the origin of life and the origin of species are taught in schools as if they are the result of evolution, based on observed facts. There are no observed facts to base the conclusion on.

The fact is you could make the same explanation for creationism. In the biblical narrative, man was created last and with only two people. Genesis describes the air, sea and land being filled with creatures at the time. So, it would take a while before it's likely that humans would show up in the fossil record.

Just saying both theories are plausible.

btw, I didn't know this was a quote from anyone in the Federalist Society. If so, I'm surprised. Scientific theory apologetics is not their usual field

Thanks for engaging. Good summary of punctuated equilibrium.

September 27, 2023 5:36 PM  
Anonymous the Biden crime family ain't above the LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said...


The ex-husband of First Lady Jill Biden is speaking out about serious concerns with “the Biden crime family.”

Delaware businessman Bill Stevenson sat down for an interview with Newsmax host Greg Kelly and criticized the Biden family for shady dealings, threats, and corruption.

“I couldn’t stand it anymore,” Stevenson began. “I needed somebody just to listen to me, to tell them what happened to me because I got on the wrong side of the Biden family.”

“After spoiling Jill for five years, I was on the wrong side of them, and they have literally come after me for 35 years in a row. One little thing after another.”

The pair divorced back in 1975. “It’s been tragic,” Stevenson continued.

“I can’t let them do this to our country. This is why I’ve come forward,” he said.

“This is the only reason I’ve come forward. It’s like I said, nothing about the divorce, no bitterness,” he explained. “But Jimmy (James Biden), Frankie (Francis Biden) and President Biden are very dangerous, and it’s tragic.”

“I can’t let them do what they did to me to President Trump,” Stevenson insisted.

Stevenson alleged that Francis Biden threatened him in the immediate aftermath of the divorce.

“Frankie Biden, of the Biden crime family, comes up to me and he goes, ‘Give Jill the house, or you’re going to have serious problems.’”

“I looked at Frankie, and I said, ‘Please. Are you threatening me?’” Stevenson asked.

“And, uh, needless to say, about two months later, my brother and I were indicted for that tax charge for $8,200,” he explained.

“You know, on the surface, it is crazy,” Kelly remarked.

“I could not believe the power of Joe Biden and the Department of Justice,” Stevenson said. “I couldn’t believe it, that I could be indicted for $8,000.

“Now here’s the tragic part. My brother pleaded guilty. It broke us up forever. It’s just within the last month that we’re talking again. It broke my heart. He pleaded guilty. He took the fall.”

When asked if the Bidens were behind those problems, Stevenson responded, “I not only think it, I know it.”

September 28, 2023 9:52 AM  
Anonymous Hi, it's Hunter Biden. I was indicted on gun charges and I don't care what my hypocrite father says - gun laws are unconstitutional! said...


The Biden Administration sought to block government funding for school shooting courses, such as hunting and archery, but the House voted against it this week by a landslide.

The Protecting Hunting Heritage and Education Act was passed in a 424-1 vote after it was discovered this summer that the Department of Education was restricting the funding for hunting and archery teaching in schools.

“Hunters and fishers are the best conservationists,” Rep. Mark Green (R-TN) stated.

“Hunting, whether it be with a firearm or bow, is one of the most effective ways to control wildlife populations, protect our beautiful lands, and connect with nature. My Protecting Hunting Heritage and Education Act is critical for our children.”

Green also said students ought to “participate in enriching athletic activities that foster an appreciation for nature and the ability to focus on a goal.”

Green said that in Tennessee alone, the funding restriction by the Biden Administration would have affected over 50,000 kids.

It was revealed in July that the Education Department told hunting education leaders that school programs would be losing all federal funding, referring to last year’s Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA) as the reason for the cut.

September 28, 2023 9:56 AM  
Anonymous c'est la vie, Dems said...


Developments are not encouraging for Dems. Trump obviously views Nikki Haley as a threat. His campaign released a statement before the debate even ended attempting to lessen her credibility, calling her weak on immigration. The statement also tried to tie her to Hillary Clinton by quoting a 2012 New York Times article in which Haley said she'd been inspired, as a woman, to run for political office because of Clinton's example.

To put it mildly, Slidin' Biden doesn't have great odds at being re-elected. His only glimmer of hope is if an infantile jackass narcissist is running against him. Even then, it's a long-shot, just better than no shot at all. But Trump. after receiving a bump from the crass political indictments against him, is now fading.

Then, there's Slidin' Biden's self-inflicted problems

President Slidin' Joe Biden joined the United Auto Workers in their strike against Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis.

Conveniently, the President refrained from informing them of his recent mandates regarding Electric Vehicles production, furthering the very issues that have led to the strike.

The UAW members gathered to strike in hopes of forcing wage increases and job security, both of which have been shaken by the Biden Administration’s push to increase EV production.

Biden failed to mention his green energy push during his minute-and-a-half-long speech at the Michigan strike, just before taking off for a fundraising push in California.

Senator J.D. Vance (R-OH) recently came after the President for the mandates he is pushing, emphasizing the danger of rushing the switch, and the inevitable loss of production to Chinese auto-makers.

“The more the Big Three’s business model relies on global supply chains and non-union labor, the less the UAW can effectively push for higher wages,” Senator JD Vance of Ohio said.

“Their leverage decreases every time a consumer buys a car made without an Ohio worker, and yet the policies of the Biden administration are explicitly designed to shift the auto industry offshore.”

September 28, 2023 12:46 PM  
Anonymous Under Mr. Trump, infrastructure week became a punchline. said...

Tu parle Français? Tres bien.

Too bad you march in lockstep with the Nazis.

Looking forward to the testimony next week from members of the Trump Crime Family:

The New York civil fraud trial of former President Donald Trump and his company is back on track to start Monday after a state appeals court lifted a temporary stay of the case.

The order came hours after New York Attorney General Letitia James said she plans to call Trump and three of his adult children as witnesses in the case.

Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron this week found the defendants liable for fraudulently inflating the values of their real estate assets.

September 29, 2023 8:59 AM  
Anonymous maybe Newsom can appoint Kamala to Feinstein's seat - she doesn't hae much else to do said...

"Too bad you march in lockstep with the Nazis"

too bad you diminish history by equating anyone who disagrees with your absurd worldview of being a "Nazi"

there were real Nazis who engaged in an historic level of evil

conservatives have nothing in common with them

your MO is similar to Putin who claims Ukrainians are "Nazis"

"found the defendants liable for fraudulently inflating the values of their real estate assets"

didn't their lenders have independent appraisals done?

what lender just takes a borrower's word for the value of security?

September 29, 2023 11:42 AM  
Anonymous “The former president of the United States has an inmate number.” P01135809, to be exact. said...

"didn't their lenders have independent appraisals done?

what lender just takes a borrower's word for the value of security?"

Could have been one that Trump paid off.

But it doesn't matter.

The thing about crime is, you may get away with it for a while, but if you get caught, you still get stuck with the consequences. You don't get to claim "somebody else should have checked more carefully."

Just ask Bernie Madoff.

But this is just the kind of "logic" we've come to expect from right-wing zealots.

"Law and order party" my @$$.


September 29, 2023 1:57 PM  
Anonymous how many aliases does Slidin' Biden have? said...


"But it doesn't matter."

actually, it matters a great deal

how many other cases have there been where people are charged with inflating the value of their assets?

lenders don't take anyone's word for it

they determine how much to lend based on independent appraisals

if you applied for a second mortgage and told the bank you think your house is worth 700k, and it turned out to be worth 650k, you wouldn't be charged with a crime

"The thing about crime is, you may get away with it for a while, but if you get caught, you still get stuck with the consequences."

I assume you're talking about the Biden influence-peddling scandal

a lot more evidence came to light just today

oh, and the hostile parties that bribed him got their money's worth

September 29, 2023 3:57 PM  
Anonymous The former president of the United States has an inmate number. P01135809, to be exact said...


"a lot more evidence came to light just today"

Oh please, do tell!

Republicans struggled to put forward any evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden during a hearing on Thursday that’s part of a newly launched impeachment inquiry.

The hearing did not go well for Republicans, who control the US House and allege Biden was connected to his son’s business dealings that could have resulted in bribery and corruption. They have been investigating the matter for months and have yet to produce evidence linking the president to his son’s financial affairs. They failed to do so again on Thursday. Instead, the strategy appeared to be to lay the groundwork to justify a longer fishing expedition.

The three Republican witnesses who testified on Thursday all conceded they did not have firsthand knowledge of any criminal activity by Biden. Two of those witnesses, Jonathan Turley, a conservative law professor, and Bruce Dubinsky, a forensic accountant, acknowledged that the information put forward so far by the committee did not amount to corruption.

September 29, 2023 5:27 PM  
Anonymous The former president of the United States has an inmate number. P01135809, to be exact said...


Democratic aides then displayed placards featuring quotes from House Republicans, including Representative Ken Buck (R-Colo.), who recently wrote:

"The GOP’s charge against Biden is that he personally benefited from his son’s deplorable business exploits around the globe. Without doubt, Hunter Biden’s shady business deals undermined America’s image and our anti-corruption goals, and his conduct was thoroughly reprehensible. What’s missing, despite years of investigation, is the smoking gun that connects Joe Biden to his ne’er-do-well son’s corruption."

Buck is no apologist for the Bidens. He’s a very conservative Republican. But he’s emerged of late as a member of the party’s rapidly dwindling reality-based wing. So it matters when Buck says, “Republicans in the House who are itching for an impeachment are relying on an imagined history… But impeachment is a serious matter and should have a foundation in rock-solid facts.”

Why bother with facts?

Republicans are trying to "Benghazi" Biden the same way they did Hillary - a bunch of accusations and investigations that amounted to finding nothing they could charge her for.

It did win them the presidency once, but only because 77,000 votes spread across 3 different states managed to tip the electoral college in Rump's favor when he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

When the next election came around, he lost by nearly 8 million, and even lying about "massive election fraud" didn't help him 1 iota.

There's no smoking gun, but there has been plenty of smoking going on... I hope it's legal in those Republican states.

September 29, 2023 5:39 PM  
Anonymous The former president of the United States has an inmate number. P01135809, to be exact said...


“Do you understand that conditions of your probation in this sentence is that you testify truthfully at any further court proceedings to include trials of any co-defendants that is listed on the original indictment in which you were charged,” the DA's office asked Hall in a Friday afternoon hearing before Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee.

“Yes, ma’am,” he responded.

Hall pleaded guilty to five counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of an election.

Hall, 59, is a bail bondsman who was hit with charges relating to a voting system breach in Georgia’s Coffee County in early 2021. He was also the first of the 19 defendants charged in the case to surrender last month.

Also named in the indictment as participating in the Coffee County conspiracy was former Trump attorney Sidney Powell, who is scheduled to stand trial on those charges in late October. Powell has pleaded not guilty.

In the indictment, Hall was charged with numerous felony counts: violation of the Georgia RICO Act; two counts of conspiracy to commit election fraud; conspiracy to commit computer theft; conspiracy to commit computer trespass; conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy; and conspiracy to defraud the state.

Under the terms of the plea deal, Hall will also have to write an apology letter to the state for his conduct, pay a $5,000 fine, serve 200 hours of community service and provide the DA's office with a recorded statement, which he has already done.

A spokesperson for the DA’s office declined comment on the plea deal. An attorney for Hall did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


He got off easy, but he probably won't be the last convicted felon in this case.

September 29, 2023 9:30 PM  
Anonymous homosexual marriage is an inherently sado-masochistic arrangement that should be discouraged by any civilized society said...


"Oh please, do tell!"

I previously posted 21 pieces of evidence, which was deleted by the TTF admin

TTF is committed to suppressing any evidence against Slidin' Biden

1. An email apparently sent by Hunter Biden to longtime business associate Devon Archer discusses a $5 million payment from Ukrainian energy company Burisma — appearing to corroborate the FBI FD-1023 form in which a confidential human source recorded testimony from Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky that “It costs 5 (million) to pay one Biden, and 5 (million) to another Biden.”

The FD-1023 was an FBI form completed in June 2020, in which a highly credible confidential human source (CHS) reported having a conversation with Mykola Zlochevsky in which the Burisma founder complained about having to pay $5 million to both Hunter and Joe Biden. Zlochevsky claimed “he didn’t want to pay the Bidens, and he was ‘pushed to pay’ them” and told the CHS he had “recordings” of Hunter and Joe to prove it.

“Zlochevsky [said] he did not send any funds directly to the ‘Big Guy’ (which CHS understood was a reference to Joe Biden),” the FD-1023 notes. When the CHS asked about Zlochevsky’s bank accounts, “Zlochevsky responded it would take them (Investigators) 10 years to find the records (i.e., illicit payments to Joe Biden).”

The CHS also reported on the FD-1023 that another Burisma executive told him Hunter Biden was hired to “protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems.”

2. A new text message released by the House Oversight Committee shows James "Jim" Biden, President Joe Biden's brother, explaining to Hunter Biden how enlisting the former vice president's help during foreign business dealings was "usual."

September 29, 2023 10:04 PM  
Anonymous Lookout, here come some facts said...

Look who left out RUDY!

https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/news/press-releases/ranking-member-raskin-shares-key-evidence-directly-contradicting-bribery

"Washington, D.C. (June 29, 2023)—Today, Rep. Jamie Raskin, Ranking Member of the Committee on Oversight and Accountability, sent a letter to Chairman James Comer sharing the transcript of statements made by Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings, to an associate of Rudy Giuliani’s directly contradicting allegations repeated in the FBI Form FD-1023 tipsheet, which the FBI made available to all Committee Members. Republican Committee Members identified Mr. Zlochevsky as the source of the information relayed to the FBI by a confidential human source (CHS) in the Form FD-1023. As part of the 2019 impeachment inquiry against then-President Trump, the Committee received a transcript created by associates of Mr. Giuliani recording statements by Mr. Zlochevsky that squarely rebut these allegations.

“Despite being interviewed as part of a campaign by Mr. Giuliani and his proxies in 2019 and 2020 to procure damaging information about the Biden family, Mr. Zlochevsky explicitly and unequivocally denied those allegations. Specifically, Mr. Zlochevsky denied (1) that anyone at Burisma had ‘any contacts’ with then former Vice President Biden or his representatives while Hunter Biden served on the Burisma board, and (2) that former Vice President Biden or his staff ‘in any way’ assisted Mr. Zlochevsky or Burisma,” wrote Ranking Member Jamie Raskin in the letter.

As both the FBI and Mr. Giuliani himself stated, the unverified, second-hand allegations in the June 2020 Form FD-1023 largely repeated allegations Mr. Giuliani shared previously with the FBI.

Mr. Zlochevsky’s statements are recorded in a written document that was produced by Mr. Giuliani’s associate, Lev Parnas, to the House Committees overseeing former President Trump’s first impeachment inquiry in January 2020, including the Oversight Committee, and was made available to both Democratic and Republican Members. The Department of Justice has been in possession of the document since the FBI seized Mr. Parnas’ phone—including the document—pursuant to a warrant in 2019.

Mr. Zlochevsky’s statements are further evidence of former Attorney General Barr’s own warning that “[t]here are a lot of agendas in the Ukraine, there are a lot of cross-currents, and we can’t take anything we receive from the Ukraine at face value.” During the CHS’s June 2020 interview memorialized in the Form FD-1023, the CHS relayed conversations with a Ukrainian oligarch from years earlier. In doing so, the CHS explicitly noted that it is not unusual for Ukrainian business executives to brag and show off and that he could not offer any opinion as to the veracity of the allegations he was relaying.

“For this reason, the full factual context surrounding the form—including Mr. Zlochevsky’s statements contradicting the reported information—is crucial to properly understanding these allegations. In this case, that context includes not just repeated and failed efforts in 2019 and 2020 by Mr. Giuliani, Senate Republicans, and Trump’s Justice Department to find support for these allegations, but also clear evidence that then-Vice President Biden’s actions carried out the policy of the United States, its allies, and its international partners to combat corruption in Ukraine,” wrote Ranking Member Raskin."

September 30, 2023 8:27 AM  
Anonymous isn't it funny how Trump has been indicted by four Dem prosecutors right before the election cycle - you' almost think the Dems were playing politics - as a matter of fact, that's what voters think.... said...


"Mr. Zlochevsky’s statements are further evidence"

the owner of a company that allegedly bribed the VP says he didn't do it

that's evidence?

LOL!

as for Trump, a judge in New York, who campaigned vowing to convict Donald Trump of something, anything, has unilaterally declared him guilty of inflating his property values to get a loan

but the bank was repaid, and didn't complain, and didn't base their decision on his allegedly false statements

there is no precedence for an indictment under such circumstances

the judge, who made an inappropriate early ruling on whether Trump would win, had a predetermined bias and should have recused

higher courts will dismiss, based on that

September 30, 2023 3:00 PM  
Anonymous Donald Hoover Trump: "When you're a star, they let you do it grab them by the pussy you can do anything" said...

"the judge, who made an inappropriate early ruling on whether Trump would win, had a predetermined bias and should have recused"

But Alito and Thomas etc. going on expensive "vacations" with people who have cases before the Supreme Court is just fine apparently.

Here's another famous GQPer:

Law Student Accused of Beheading Girlfriend Was Touted as ‘Victim’ of #MeToo by Trump Admin

"In 2013, Joseph Roberts was accused of verbal and online sexual harassment and suspended from Savannah State University. He claimed he was suspended from school and “denied due process.”

Five years later, he’d go on to share his story with Betsy DeVos, then former President Donald Trump’s Secretary of Education, as an advocate for men who were wrongfully accused of sexual misconduct on college campuses.

In 2020, Roberts appeared on YouTube’s The Exceptional Conservative Show, where he recalled the day he was expelled from campus after three unidentified female students reported him.

“They said things like they were afraid for their lives,” Roberts, who left the school just three weeks before graduation, claimed. “It was just total lies.”

More than a decade later, Roberts, 42, was arrested on Sept. 7 in a separate incident for the gruesome death of his girlfriend, Rachel Imani Buckner, a recent law school grad whose dismembered body was discovered wrapped in plastic with duct tape along the shore in California’s Alameda County...

Roberts also joined forces with Families Advocating for Campus Equality, a nonprofit that assists the accused who say they’re not being treated fairly.

A staunch supporter of Trump, Roberts would enter the political fray while living in San Francisco and attending law school at Golden Gate University — the same school Buckner graduated from before she was killed.

In 2020, Roberts was elected to serve on the San Francisco Republican Party County Central Committee.

A member of the Federalist Society, his main goals were “to bring diverse leadership, primarily conservative thought,” “support the local police department,” and “contribute to a local San Francisco government that promotes policies to unlock individual potential and unleash economic growth,” according to a voters’ website."

October 01, 2023 7:25 AM  
Anonymous homosexuality never produces life, two of 'em ain't ever a marriage said...


"But Alito and Thomas etc. going on expensive "vacations" with people who have cases before the Supreme Court is just fine apparently"

not an analogous situation

they didn't announce publicly, in an election campaign, that they were planning to target an individual

that's much more serious

in America, you're innocent until prove guilty

many January 6 defendants have been jailed for interrupting with an official proceeding of Congress

let's what happens to someone who did it to promote the Dem Agenda:

Democratic U.S. Representative Jamaal Bowman faced investigation on Sunday, the morning after he pulled a fire alarm in the Capitol complex as his party was trying to delay a key vote, prompting an evacuation of a congressional office building.

A still image released by the Capitol Police on Saturday showed Bowman, who represents parts of New York City and its immediate suburbs, activating the fire alarm near the exit to an office building which houses congressional offices.

Police said they were investigating the incident, as is the House Administration Committee, a Republican-controlled congressional panel that overseas the House grounds.

Bowman, in a statement, admitted to pulling the fire alarm, which he said he regretted.

The House was about to vote on a bipartisan bill to keep the government open for 45 days and avoid a shutdown. The bill ultimately passed but, at the moment, Democrats were scrambling to buy time to read the bill

October 01, 2023 12:50 PM  
Anonymous Ashli Babbitt was breaking and entering. said...

"they didn't announce publicly, in an election campaign, that they were planning to target an individual"

But both Alito and Thomas took free gifts worth multiple thousands of dollars from people who had upcoming business before the Supreme Court.

Do you think not publicly announcing the gifts they received means they are not guilty of giving favors to their gift givers?

I don't and with trust in SCOTUS so low (see Pew Research: Favorable views of Supreme Court fall to historic low, I'm apparently not the only person who finds ethics lacking among Roberts' court.

You want to compare pulling a fire alarm to attempting to entering the House and Senate chambers chanting "hang Mike Pence,", and assaulting Capitol Police?

Good luck selling your trash.

Nobody here is buying it.



October 02, 2023 8:54 AM  
Anonymous for millennia, society has said: no loonies in the ladies loo !... said...


"But both Alito and Thomas took free gifts worth multiple thousands of dollars from people who had upcoming business before the Supreme Court.

Do you think not publicly announcing the gifts they received means they are not guilty of giving favors to their gift givers?"

well, for one thing, there is no evidence that they knew the case were coming, or even after hearing the cases, did they knew their acquaintances were involved

further, in at least one case, they didn't rule in favor of the individuals

the whole thing is desperation rhetoric from Dems, who couldn't win by playing within the rules

we wouldn't even v=be having this conversation if the narcissistic RBG had resigned during Obama's term

but, much more important, our justice system has been designed to assure that innocent parties aren't found guilty

when a judge lets all know, before hearing any evidence, that they intend to target an individual, they should be impeached

the case will ever last through the appeal process

"I don't and with trust in SCOTUS so low (see Pew Research: Favorable views of Supreme Court fall to historic low, I'm apparently not the only person who finds ethics lacking among Roberts' court."

no, all the desperate Dems want to destroy the Supreme Court

they rather engage in scorched earth tactics than admit they lost - fair and square

"You want to compare pulling a fire alarm to attempting to entering the House and Senate chambers chanting "hang Mike Pence,", and assaulting Capitol Police?"

well, I don't and I didn't

the guy who pulled the alarm is guilty of trying to stop an official proceeding of Congress

he can try his lame excuse in a Congressional expulsion hearing

sorry to hear you've come down with a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome

if you want to get better, try a lobotomy

October 02, 2023 1:04 PM  
Anonymous The former president of the United States has an inmate number. P01135809, to be exact said...

"we wouldn't even v=be having this conversation if the narcissistic RBG had resigned during Obama's term"


Oh, you misspelled some stuff in that:

"We wouldn't even be having this conversation if the narcissistic Mitch McConnell hadn't blocked Obama's Supreme Court nominee for 11 MONTHS so he could wait and see if a Republican got into the Oval Office.

There, fixed it for you.

There is no reason to believe McConnell would have let Obama seat another SC Justice even if she had retired before she died - she had already watched McConnell's malfeasance before, and no one had any reason to believe he wouldn't do the same again. Here best bet was to wait until a new Democrat got into the Whitehouse.

Oh, and here are some more mistakes:

"no, all the desperate Dems want to destroy the Supreme Court
they rather engage in scorched earth tactics than admit they lost - fair and square"


"No. All the desperate Republicans want to do is destroy Presidential Elections and American democracy.

They would rather engage in scorched earth tactics, like January 6th, than admit they lost - fair and square.

Fixed it for you again.


"sorry to hear you've come down with a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome"

You are Exhibit A in why they stopped doing lobotomies in the 1960s. Who let you out of the institution?


October 02, 2023 1:48 PM  
Anonymous Hi it's Merrick Garland! Did I mention I was once the next Supreme Court justice? said...


"We wouldn't even be having this conversation if the narcissistic Mitch McConnell hadn't blocked Obama's Supreme Court nominee for 11 MONTHS so he could wait and see if a Republican got into the Oval Office."

you've missed the key point

RBG considered herself more important than the causes she supported

hence, she damaged the Dem agenda

McConnell doesn't seem particularly narcissistic to me but, regardless, he helped out the causes he believes in greatly

"There, fixed it for you."

you sad person

you think you scored some rhetorical trump but really just put your foot in your mouth

"There is no reason to believe McConnell would have let Obama seat another SC Justice even if she had retired before she died"

there probably would have been some pushback if Obama wasn't a lame duck

but, further, McConnell wasn't the majority leader during all of Obama's presidency

btw, had his predecessor, Harry Reid not eliminated the filibuster in approval of judicial nominees, we likely wouldn't have Goresuch, Kavanaugh, or Coney Barrett

"she had already watched McConnell's malfeasance before, and no one had any reason to believe he wouldn't do the same again"

do you have documentation of her saying that? because I don't think anyone expected him to defer Garland's nomination

"All the desperate Republicans want to do is destroy Presidential Elections and American democracy. They would rather engage in scorched earth tactics, like January 6th"

again, you've missed the point

Trump didn't get away with reversing the election because most Republican officials and the Supreme Court didn't go along with him

further, not all Jan 6 protestors, especially those who were violent, were Republicans

by contrast, virtually all Dems have been trying to undermine the credibility of the SCOTUS

"Who let you out of the institution?"

who says I'm out?

Bill Maher called on Joe Biden to drop out of the 2024 presidential election, saying the 80-year-old incumbent is too old to run for president and likened him to the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The host of “Real Time with Bill Maher” mocked Biden on Friday night, describing the president as the “only democrat who can lose to Trump.”

“Someone has to convince President Biden that if he runs again, he’s going to turn the country back over to Trump and go… down in history as Ruth Bader Biden, the person who doesn’t know when to quit and so does great damage to their party and their country,” Maher said, referring to the late SC Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Ginsburg notoriously decided to not retire during the Obama administration when she could have been replaced with a liberal justice, only to die at the age of 87 in September 2020 during the Trump administration.

“What matters is voters think Biden’s too old. What matters is he’s going to lose to Trump,” he added.

Maher rejected Democrats’ optimistic narrative that the president will repeat his success in 2024.

“You can be a national treasure and still be too old for the job. If I’m on a plane and the pilot says, ‘This is your captain, Buzz Aldrin,’ I’m getting off,” Maher joked.

Maher isn’t alone in his opinion, last month, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough claimed that every Democrat he’s spoken to shares the belief that Biden is too old to run for re-election.

“Every political discussion… when it comes to Joe Biden, people say, ‘Man, he’s too old to run, isn’t he?’” Scarborough said on air. “When I say every discussion, I don’t mean 99% of the discussions — every discussion.”

About 75 percent of Americans have said they’re seriously concerned about Biden’s age and feel his ability to serve another full term would be hindered by it, according to a CNN poll.

October 03, 2023 5:33 AM  
Anonymous is the pope a dope, or just dope? said...


Pope Francis softened the Vatican’s ban on blessing same-sex couples, saying that priests may use their discretion in giving such blessings, so long as they don’t imply a same-sex union is equivalent to a heterosexual marriage.

The pope’s statement, in a letter released by the Vatican on Monday, marks a significant shift in the Catholic Church’s stance on blessing gay relationships. Its release comes on the eve of a major Vatican meeting that will consider possible changes to church teaching and practice on matters such as homosexuality and women’s ordination.

Francis has taken a conciliatory approach toward gay people, without formally changing church teaching. He endorsed civil unions for same-sex couples in a 2020 documentary film.

October 03, 2023 10:06 AM  
Anonymous another one of them polls that TTFers like so much said...


Looks like America is backing off, a bit, from the dumbo Dem Perty

The two major political parties remain unpopular in the U.S., with 56% of Americans viewing the Republican Party unfavorably and 58% saying the same of the Democratic Party.

Although both parties are about equally disliked, the public chooses the Republican Party over the Democratic Party by healthy margins when asked which will better safeguard the nation’s prosperity and security.

Fifty-three percent of Americans believe the Republican Party will do a better job of keeping the country prosperous over the next few years, whereas 39% choose the Democratic Party.

A slightly larger majority, 57%, have greater faith in the Republican Party to protect the country from international terrorism and military threats, while 35% favor the Democrats.

The latest results are from a Sept. 1-23 Gallup poll in which more than eight in 10 Americans disapprove of the job the politically divided Congress is doing, close to six in 10 disapprove of President Joe Biden’s job performance, and nearly three-quarters feel pessimistic about the direction of the economy.

Republicans’ 14-percentage-point lead in public preferences for keeping the country prosperous is up from a 10-point margin last year and is its widest advantage on this measure since mid-1991.

The GOP’s current standing with Americans is even stronger on matters of national security, where it leads the Democratic Party by 22 points for protecting the country from international terrorism and military threats.

The Republican Party has led on this measure in all but two readings in the trend originating in 2002, but today’s margin is one of the widest in that more limited stretch of time.

The recent poll also finds the Republican Party leading the Democrats as the party more Americans choose as better able to handle whatever problem they name as the most important facing the country. Forty-four percent say the Republican Party is better, while 36% name the Democratic Party and the rest say the parties are the same or have no preference. This is at a time when the economy, government/poor leadership and immigration lead Americans’ open-ended responses when asked to name the most important problem facing the country.

Although Republicans periodically enjoyed strong leads on this party preference measure between the 1940s and 1980s, today’s eight-point advantage for the Republicans is fairly uncommon in the context of the trend since 1992.

Republican and Democratic partisans mostly view their own party favorably; however, they tend to be alone in that sentiment, as the majority of independents, as well as most members of the opposing party, view it unfavorably.

At the same time, independents mostly account for Republicans’ advantages over Democrats in national preferences for which party can better manage the nation’s economy and military security. Barely a third of independents prefer the Democratic Party on these measures, while more than half choose the Republican Party.

The nation has been in a protracted period since 2010 where Americans have generally viewed both major parties unfavorably. Yet, with the parties dominating U.S. politics at every level, which party Americans put greater trust in to handle the most basic responsibilities of government -- ensuring economic security and safety from military threats -- will influence how Americans vote in elections.

October 03, 2023 9:56 PM  

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