Monday, August 23, 2010

Another Anti-Gay Student Loses Lawsuit

A counseling student, Jennifer Keeton, claimed that because she is a Christian she should not have to learn how to counsel gay and lesbian clients. The university that insisted that she needed to comply with the ethics code of the American Counseling Association in order to graduate, and she sued them.

She lost.

The Augusta Chronicle:
Augusta State University's requirement that a graduate student read material about counseling gays and increase her exposure to that community after she objected to counseling homosexual clients was "academically legitimate," a federal court judge ruled Friday.

U.S. District Judge Randal Hall's decision enables university officials to expel Jennifer Keeton if she does not follow the remediation plan, which professors designed to "address issues of multicultural competence and develop understanding and empathy."

Hall said the case is not about "pitting Christianity against homosexuality," but rather the constitutionality of the school's requirement.

Professors asked Keeton to complete the remediation plan after she said she opposed homosexuality and would tell gay clients "their behavior is morally wrong and then help the client change that behavior," according to an affidavit filed in the case.

Keeton filed a lawsuit against the school in July, alleging the requirement was viewpoint discrimination and a violation of her First Amendment rights. Judge rejects Keeton lawsuit

It is important for universities to stand up to these challenges. Where there are differences between religious and scientific beliefs on a topic, the university -- at least the secular university -- should side with science.

We talked about a similar case a few weeks ago. Same thing, courts ruled with the school.

The best discussion of this situation I have seen was on the Equality Loudon blog, where blogger David put text from the comments into his post. His commenter had written:
Counseling is an applied domain within psychology. I don’t know the specifics of the Augusta program, but a Masters level program would typically include some sort of supervised practicum in addition to coursework. The student would be required to demonstrate competency in the actual practice of counseling before they are granted credentials which would allow them to present themselves to employers and the public as having a certain level of knowledge and training. Anyone can hang out a shingle and call themselves a “counselor” with no training or education at all. A particular degree or license is understood to be a guarantee - the responsibility of the program granting the degree - that the individual has certain skills and competencies. To grant credentials to someone who has failed to demonstrate the required competencies would be a breach of that responsibility. Ms. Keeton, in the judgement of her professors, has failed to demonstrate the required competency in counseling a segment of the student population she is sure to encounter professionally. Therefore, allowing her to have contact with these children in the role of a counselor would be endangerment.

Imagine if a child coming to terms with an intersex condition were sent to her. Ms. Keeton simply believes (she says) that people “were created male and female,” end of story, all she needs to know about the subject. She dismisses all of the medical knowledge concerning neurological development and gender identity in favor of her belief. She is, in other words, actively denying reality - but you seem to think she should be in a position in which she is assumed to have knowledge about this area of life, but in which she would likely tell this vulnerable child something that is completely false and harmful. Tolerance for child endangerment? No.

The university needs to enforce its standards. The cost to American society if the courts let these religious challenges succeed is immeasurable.

22 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

when the APA surrendered to intimidation from the homosexuals and took same gender attraction off the DSM years ago, most people thought it was no big deal

now, we see such appeasement leads

you can't get a degree in this field unless you agree to enable and encourage sexual deviance?

bizarre

homosexuality is a disorder preventing the sufferer from functioning in and enjoying life

the search for a cure should continue

btw, a TTFer was going into a rapture a few months ago about how the government of Australia was piling up debt with Keynesian tactics and getting away with it

the gig's up

the voters of Australia threw the bums out this weekend

foreshadowing, Barry, foreshadowing

August 23, 2010 12:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your assertion that the APA was "intimidated" by a small segment of the American populace is pathetically ignorant.

With what authority do you make such a ridiculous statement as "homosexuality is a disorder preventing the sufferer from functioning in and enjoying life"? One could only make a judgement about the quality of other people's lives if one has led their lives. Isn't there something in your Bible that says: "Judge not, lest ye also be judged"

Life is what it is, not what you want it to be...especially when it concerns other people's lives.

Bigotry and willful ignorance are not becoming traits and you should work hard to overcome these handicaps in your own life. Perhaps a professional member of the APA could help you with that task.

August 23, 2010 4:01 PM  
Anonymous David S. Fishback said...

Anon 1 writes:

Anon writes:

"[H]omosexuality is a disorder preventing the sufferer from functioning in and enjoying life. [T]he search for a cure should continue."

You clearly do not know any gay people. I do. What prevents gay people from "functioning in and enjoying life" is being in the closet. And for those gay people who do not live in the increasing number of gay-friendly communities, having to deal with the ignorant prejudices of those who put their preconceptions and theologies ahead of simple humanity.

Perhaps it is wise that Anon 1 remains anonymous. It would be embarrassing for his/her children or grandchildren to someday Google him/her and discover how ignorant and hateful their father/mother/grandfather/grandmother was.

August 23, 2010 4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Breaking news

WASHINGTON — A U.S. district court issued a preliminary injunction Monday stopping federal funding of human embryonic stem cell research in a slap to the Obama administration's new guidelines on the sensitive issue.

The court ruled in favor of a suit filed in June by researchers who said human embryonic stem cell research involves the destruction of human embryos.

Judge Royce Lamberth granted the injunction after finding that the lawsuit would likely succeed because the guidelines violated law banning the use of federal funds to destroy human embryos.

"(Embryonic stem cell) research is clearly research in which an embryo is destroyed," Lamberth wrote in a 15-page ruling. The Obama administration could appeal his decision or try to rewrite the guidelines to comply with U.S. law.

The unusual suit against the National Institutes of Health, backed by some Christian groups opposed to embryo research, argued that the NIH policy violates U.S. law and takes funds from researchers seeking to work with adult stem cells.

The U.S. Department of Justice and NIH had no immediate comment.

August 23, 2010 4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What prevents gay people from "functioning in and enjoying life" is being in the closet."

David, by definition homosexuals can't reproduce in a partnership with their chosen object of sexual attraction and romantic interest.

This is a basic blessing of life that is not open to them because of a psychological dysfunction.

It's an intrinsic disorder.

Sorry no one has explained that to you before.

"Your assertion that the APA was "intimidated" by a small segment of the American populace is pathetically ignorant."

Those are the facts. Read up on the history.

Additionally, polls taken at the time demonstrate that the majority of professionals in the field believed homosexuality to be a psychological disorder.

The decision was political not scientific.

August 23, 2010 4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sterile men and women "can't reproduce in a partnership with their chosen object of sexual attraction and romantic interest" either. Using Anon's criteria would mean all childless couples also suffer from an "intrinsic disorder" and should be denied the right to marry each other.

"There is nothing sadder than a childless couple. It breaks my heart to see them relaxing around swimming pools in Florida, sitting all suntanned and miserable on the decks of their boats -- trotting off to Europe like lonesome fools. It's an empty life. Nothing but money to spend, more time to enjoy and a whole lot less to worry about.

The poor childless couple are so wrapped up in themselves, you have to feel sorry for them. They don't fight over the child's discipline, don't blame each other for the child's most obnoxious characteristics, and they miss all the fun of doing without for the child's sake. They just go along, doing whatever they want, buying what they want and liking each other. It's a pretty pathetic picture.

Everyone should have children. No one should be allowed to escape the wonderful experience that accompanies each stage in the development of the young -- the happy memories of sleepless nights, coughing spells, tantrums, diaper rash, debts, "dipso" baby sitters, saturated mattresses, emergencies and never-ending crises.

How dismal is the peaceful home without the constant childish problems that make a well-rounded life and an early breakdown; the tender, thoughtful discussions when the report card reveals the progeny to be one step below a moron; the end-of-the-day reunions with all the joyful happenings recited like well-placed blows to the temples.

Children are worth it. Every moment of anxiety, every sacrifice, every complete collapse pays off as a fine, sturdy adolescent is reached. The feeling of reward the first time you took the boy hunting -- he didn't mean to shoot you, the lad was excited. Remember how he cried? How sorry he was? And how much better you felt after the blood transfusion? These are the times a man with a growing son treasures -- memories that are captured forever in the heart and the limp.

Think back to the night of romantic adventure when your budding daughter eloped with the village idiot. What childless couple ever shared in the stark realism of that drama? Aren't you a better man for having lived richly, fully, acquiring that tic in your left eye? Could a woman without children touch the strength and heroism of your wife as she tried to fling herself out of the bedroom window?

The childless couple live in a vacuum. They fill their lonely days with golf, vacation trips, dinner dates, civic affairs, tranquility, leisure and entertainment. There is a terrifying emptiness without children, but the childless couple are too comfortable to know it.

You just have to look at them to see what the years have done: He looks boyish, unlined and rested; she's slim, well-groomed and youthful. It isn't natural. If they had had kids, they'd look like the rest of us -- worn out, wrinkled and exhausted."

August 23, 2010 6:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not being able to have a child is a physical problem and no one in that situation would disagree

most spent much time, effort and money trying to overcome the problem

alternatively, being homosexual is a mental problem

sadly, there is a large group of lunatics whose agenda it is to make sure those afflicted with same gender attraction give up trying to overcome it

by definition, homosexuals can't reproduce in a partnership with their chosen object of sexual attraction and romantic interest

this is not available to them because of a psychological dysfunction

it's an intrinsic disorder

August 23, 2010 8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oooooooo...shut 'em up and shut 'em down!

August 24, 2010 7:28 AM  
Anonymous everyone's chum said...

news flash from Virginia:

intrepid AG Cuccinelli strikes at the heart of the lunatic fringe again

yesterday, he issued strict new rules on abortion clinics which should result in many of these death factories being shut down

the anti-family edifice is being dismantled one brick at a time!!

this Cuccinelli fellow has a future so bright, we gotta wear shades!!

that's what happens when a party controls a state

also, after Republicans win most of the state legislatures and governor mansions in November, they'll control all the redistricting done when the census reports come in

Democrats are kicking themselves in the head right about now and saying "why didn't we nominate Hillary?"

August 24, 2010 7:40 AM  
Anonymous svelte_brunette said...

Anon claimed:

“by definition, homosexuals can't reproduce in a partnership with their chosen object of sexual attraction and romantic interest

this is not available to them because of a psychological dysfunction

it's an intrinsic disorder”

Let me guess – you failed Biology 101.

The failure of same-sex couples to reproduce is due to the mechanics of egg and sperm movement, the lack of a particular egg penetrating protein on other eggs, the lack of the necessary support structure to generate an embryo from chromosomes in sperm, and “imprinting” genes that normally block same-gamete cell reproduction. It has absolutely nothing to do with any psychological dysfunction.

In fact, there are relatively few psychological dysfunctions that directly interfere with reproduction.

Some of these are: (From allpsych.com)

Dyspareunia:

Etiology
There is a relationship of this disorder with victims of rape and sexual abuse. May also be related to vaginismus.

Symptoms
Recurrent or persistent genital pain associated with sexual intercourse. Can be diagnosed in males or females, is not better accounted for by another diagnosis (psychiatric or physical) and is not the direct effect of substance use.

Treatment
Resolving underlying sexual and relationship issues can be helpful in many cases.

August 24, 2010 10:50 AM  
Anonymous svelte_brunette said...

Male Erectile Disorder (Impotence):

Etiology
Previously referred to as impotence, medical causes of this disorder must be ruled out first. Short of any physiological cause, male erectile disorder is typically a result of ‘performance anxiety’ or fears of not being able to achieve or maintain an erection.

Symptoms
Recurring inability to achieve or maintain an erection until completion of the sexual activity. Must result in significant distress for the individual and is not better accounted for by another disorder (e.g. drug abuse) or physical diagnosis.

Treatment
The most commonly applied treatment for non-medical related impotence is ‘Sensate Focus,’ which involves a progression of sexual intimacy, typically over the course of several weeks, and eventually leading to penetration and orgasm.


Sexual Aversion Disorder:

Etiology
Some evidence suggests that relationship issues and/or sexual trauma in childhood may play a role in the development of this disorder.

Symptoms
Persistent or recurring aversion to or avoidance of sexual activity. The aversion must result in significant distress for the individual and is not better accounted for by another disorder or physical diagnosis. When presented with a sexual opportunity, the individual may experience panic attacks or extreme anxiety.

Treatment
Typical treatment would involve discovering and resolving underlying conflict or life difficulties.

Vaginismus:

Etiology
There is a relationship of this disorder with victims of rape and sexual abuse, strict religious upbringings, and issues of control.

Symptoms
Recurrent or persistent involuntary spasm of the vaginal muscles that interferes with sexual intercourse. It must cause significant distress and not due to a medical condition or another disorder.

Treatment
Psychological treatment involves working through underlying issues, while other treatments can involve progressively larger dilators and therapy to help relax muscles which prevent intercourse.

August 24, 2010 10:51 AM  
Anonymous svelte_brunette said...

As for the underlying biochemical issue that keeps same-sex couples from naturally creating their own children, scientific experiments have already shown there is a way around at least some of the issues. In 2004 Japanese scientist created a mouse from the egg cells of two different females:

http://cmbi.bjmu.edu.cn/news/0404/82.htm

The mouse grew up normally and had offspring of her own in the “usual” manner.

Apparently their next attempts will be to try and replicate that success with pigs.

It is a technically difficult process, but clearly they’ve overcome all the hurdles necessary to make it happen. Given more time and research to perfect the process, the question then becomes an ethical one of whether or not we should try it with humans. Obviously this would be a great boon to both feminists and lesbian couples.

Another question naturally arises from this – could similar techniques be used to generate a viable embryo from two sperm cells? As it stands now, there genetic material would have to replace the genetic material in an egg in order for it to grow, so technically, the embryo would have genetic material from two fathers, and an egg (but no genes) from the mother. Seems like eventually some scientist is going to try this just to see if can be done (if it hasn’t already).

Anon noted:

“intrepid AG Cuccinelli strikes at the heart of the lunatic fringe again

yesterday, he issued strict new rules on abortion clinics which should result in many of these death factories being shut down

the anti-family edifice is being dismantled one brick at a time!!”


So now all those promiscuous heterosexuals will not be able to abort their fetuses. This is a great boon to fetuses. Unfortunately I haven’t heard anything about Cuccinelli building any orphanages for all the children born to heterosexuals that don’t want them. After all, there are roughly 1 million fetuses aborted by heterosexual couples every year, and thousands upon thousands of children in foster care waiting to be adopted.

Fortunately there are many gay and lesbian couples ready and willing to step in and take over where their heterosexual counterparts have so hopelessly failed on the parenting front. Unfortunately, in most states, gay couples can’t get married, making it difficult for them to provide the extra care and stability of a two-parent household. Many same-sex couples are still managing to raise children anyway, even with those difficulties. It will be great when the pro-family groups recognize there are many different kinds of families they can help support, and no child grows up feeling unwanted.

Have a nice day,

Cynthia

August 24, 2010 10:52 AM  
Anonymous Robert said...

I think Cuccinelli, like all recent previous Republican AGs in Virginia, is running for Governor.

Eventually the Republican Party in Virginia prices itself out of a job. The political demographics of the state are changing, and that party has positioned itself at the extreme end socially and fiscally of the American political system.

I visited Charlottesville this week and there was an odd rumbling; I suspect it was Jefferson rolling over in his grave.

August 24, 2010 3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cynco

the fact that it may be possible to combine genes from a couple of guys and artificially produce a child is irrelevant to whether homosexuality is a disorder

why not splice in some wings while you're at it?

your argument that if a child is unwanted they should be killed is evil

as it turns out, Christian ministries are present througout the country to care for unwanted children

liberals often seek to find excuses to shut them down

truth is, parents in America go as far away as Russia to adopt children and Jesse Jackson once called legalized abortion a genocide against African Americans

wake up

"I think Cuccinelli, like all recent previous Republican AGs in Virginia, is running for Governor."

let's hope so

serving the people is a good way to run for governor

"Eventually the Republican Party in Virginia prices itself out of a job. The political demographics of the state are changing, and that party has positioned itself at the extreme end socially and fiscally of the American political system."

this outdated wisdom from two years ago when Democrats were trying to push the idea that they represented the new majority of the future

it's somewhat laughable at this point

"I visited Charlottesville this week and there was an odd rumbling"

that was your brain about to explode

August 24, 2010 3:41 PM  
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August 24, 2010 9:30 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Irrelevant.

JimK

August 24, 2010 9:40 PM  
Anonymous bring back a Bush- Jeb is ready said...

gays are fond of saying that they aren't really anti-family

the post by an anonymous gay TTFer on this thread at 6:20pm on August 23 is an example of sheer gay hatred of the idea of the traditional nuclear family

meanwhile, in an ominous sign for the gay TTF agenda, their favored presidential candidate for 2012 seems to have become unpopular with American voters:

With President Obama's approval ratings skidding down to 41% in the latest Gallup Poll, more and more Democrats are concluding that he has become one of the biggest millstones around their necks heading into the fall elections.

"A new survey by the Democratic-leaning firm Public Policy Polling finds that even in Illinois voters are by 40% to 26% less likely to support a candidate if he or she has been endorsed by President Obama. "If his support isn't an asset in his home state it's hard to imagine where it is," says PPP head Tom Jensen.

Reid Wilson of Hotline, the widely read Washington political tip sheet, reports that "the advice from Democratic consultants and strategists is almost unanimous: Run away from the president, and fast." He reports that one prominent Democratic pollster is passing around a poll showing that George W. Bush is six points more popular than Mr. Obama in House seats deemed the most vulnerable to a GOP takeover. "That Bush is more popular than Obama in Democratic-held seats is cause for outright fear," reports Mr. Wilson.

Mr. Obama's sagging popularity is even following him to his luxurious vacation spot on Martha's Vineyard this week. According to the Boston Globe, last year the island's largest T-shirt store sold 4,000 shirts that read, "I vacationed with Obama." This year, those shirts are being outsold by others that have former President Bush asking, "Miss me yet?""

August 25, 2010 8:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the post by an anonymous gay TTFer on this thread at 6:20pm on August 23 is an example of sheer gay hatred of the idea of the traditional nuclear family

LOLOL moron. Go complain to the author Roslyn South, who published the SATIRE "Pity the Childless Couple: Musings of a Good Mother on a Bad Day" in 1957 in The American Mercury magazine.

August 25, 2010 10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

doesn't matter who wrote it but hw the TTF gay agenda poster usde it

August 25, 2010 12:10 PM  
Blogger Jason D said...

"David, by definition homosexuals can't reproduce in a partnership with their chosen object of sexual attraction and romantic interest.

This is a basic blessing of life that is not open to them because of a psychological dysfunction."

You assume all couples want to procreate, an absurd and groundless position.

It is not a psychological disfunction, as it does not impair basic motor skills or social interactions. You can't have a psychological disfunction if people are able to function.

"Anon said:
you can't get a degree in this field unless you agree to enable and encourage sexual deviance?"

Religious freedom extends to religious activities, not to secular ones. When a church school takes their kids on a field trip, the driver still has to obey traffic laws. If a church has a soup kitchen, they still have to comply with safe food practices. The Bible says to stone to death a woman who cheats, and if you did that, you couldn't claim a religious liberty exception. And if a christian wants to be a counselor, a completely secular positon, she has to have the proper training and be in compliance with accepted standards. She may believe whatever she wants, but being a christian doesn't give you license to claim everything you do is religious liberty and a trump card against laws, standards and practices. It's as simple as that.
You can believe whatever you want, worship however you want, but when you engage in secular activities regulated by laws and licenses, you don't get a trump card because of your faith.

August 29, 2010 11:03 AM  

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