Thursday, July 29, 2010

Universities Under Attack

Here are two stories of universities that are being sued for requiring their graduate students to learn the material and meet the standard held by the Department. One suit was won by the university, the other has just been filed and has yet to be argued and decided.

Fox goes red in the face:
A federal judge has ruled in favor of a public university that removed a Christian student from its graduate program in school counseling over her belief that homosexuality is morally wrong. Monday's ruling, according to Julea Ward's attorneys, could result in Christian students across the country being expelled from public university for similar views.

“It’s a very dangerous precedent,” Jeremy Tedesco, legal counsel for the conservative Alliance Defense Fund, told FOX News Radio. “The ruling doesn’t say that explicitly, but that’s what is going to happen.”

U.S. District Judge George Caram Steeh dismissed Ward’s lawsuit against Eastern Michigan University. She was removed from the school’s counseling program last year because she refused to counsel homosexual clients.

The university contended she violated school policy and the American Counseling Association code of ethics.

“Christian students shouldn’t be expelled for holding to and abiding by their beliefs,” said ADF senior counsel David French. “To reach its decision, the court had to do something that’s never been done in federal court: uphold an extremely broad and vague university speech code.” Court Upholds Expulsion of Counseling Student Who Opposes Homosexuality

Change a couple of words: A university's graduate program in physics kicked out a Christian student because she believes the big bang theory is immoral... A university's graduate program in biology kicked out a Christian student because she believes evolution is immoral...

People, this is education. University professors are experts in their fields, this isn't a debate over values or opinions or anything else. If you're going to get your graduate degree in something you are going to study hard, you are going to listen to your professors, you are going to understand what they are saying and if you want to pass your courses you are going to write papers and conduct research that satisfies them.

If you don't meet the standard you don't get the degree. This student doesn't meet the standard. It's as simple as that. Academic standards are not for the courts to decide -- you don't want judges deciding what is the best way to solve quadratic equations and you don't want them telling the Counseling Department what to teach, either. Academic knowledge is not up for a public vote, and is not determined by law.

The university, of course, was pleased with the ruling.
Eastern Michigan University hailed the decision.

“We are pleased that the court has upheld our position in this matter,” EMU spokesman Walter Kraft said in a written statement. “Julea Ward was not discriminated against because of her religion. To the contrary, Eastern Michigan is deeply committed to the education of our students and welcomes individuals from diverse backgrounds into our community.”

In his 48-page opinion, Judge Steeh said the university had a rational basis for adopting the ACA Code of Ethics.

“Furthermore, the university had a rational basis for requiring students to counsel clients without imposing their personal values,” he wrote in a portion of his ruling posted by The Detroit News. “In the case of Ms. Ward, the university determined that she would never change her behavior and would consistently refuse to counsel clients on matters with which she was personally opposed due to her religious beliefs – including homosexual relationships.”

There isn't much in this Fox story about this next thing:
The case is similar to a lawsuit the ADF filed against Augusta State University in Georgia. Counseling student Jennifer Keeton was allegedly told to stop sharing her Christian beliefs in order to graduate.

Keeton's lawsuit alleged that she was told to undergo a reeducation program and attend “diversity sensitivity training.”

I see CNN has this story -- but first, note that the university has declined to issue a statement, while the ADF is posting press releases right and left. This is what happens when you let them throw the first punch:
(CNN) -- A graduate student is suing a Georgia university, alleging that professors are requiring her to change her "biblical views" on homosexuality or be expelled from the counseling program there.

Jennifer Keeton filed a civil rights action in U.S. District Court on July 21 saying Augusta State University violated her "constitutional rights of speech, belief and religious exercise."

The action says university faculty have "promised to expel" Keeton "because she has communicated both inside and outside the classroom that she holds to Christian ethical conviction on matters of human sexuality and gender identity."

After Keeton expressed her views verbally and in written assignments, faculty mandated Keeton complete a "remediation plan."

CNN obtained a copy of the remediation plan from the Alliance Defense Fund, which represents Keeton in the action. The plan addresses issues such as writing ability and organizational skills, as well as Keeton's ability to be a "multiculturally competent counselor, particularly in regard to working with gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and queer/questioning populations." Student: University wants her to change 'biblical views' on gays

Again, it's simple. If you want an advanced degree from a university you have to earn it. And a reputable university is not going to award a degree to somebody who has demonstrated that they won't even try to meet the standard.

Ministers, priests, rabbis counsel people on the basis of their religious background. Professional counselors learn theories of psychology and techniques in cognitive and client-centered therapies and apply those according to the ethical principles of the professional counseling associations. There is a place for religious counseling, and there is a place for scientifically based professional counseling, and the client needs to know when they go to a professional that that professional will adhere to professional standards. Both of these students have said they would not adhere to professional standards, and their universities should not be expected to award them advanced degrees after they have failed to meet the degree requirements. If they really want to counsel people, but only some people, and only with some objectives, they can apply to a seminary and become religious counselors.

If universities are forced to award degrees to people who do not deserve them then you might as well flush America's educational system down the toilet. Both these stories describe students who have sworn not to learn what they are being taught, both students have vowed to behave unethically if they are awarded their degrees. The argument that a university needs to award a degree to a person who refuses to master the material because of their religion is simply a failure to understand what education is.

33 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you want an advanced degree from a university you have to earn it."

and by earn it, we mean forsake your religious beliefs and embrace either secular humanism or materialism, the only two religious perspectives acceptable to the liberal elites who dominate our ivory towers

July 29, 2010 8:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Both of these students have said they would not adhere to professional standards, and their universities should not be expected to award them advanced degrees after they have failed to meet the degree requirements."

The requirements for an academic degree should be the mastery of a field of knowledge.

When public universities go beyond this and force students to acquiesce in secularism or materialism to receive a degree, they are in the process of destroying themselves. Taxpayers shouldn't have to support the spread of these religiious perspectives.

Why is a university endorsing some association's "code of ethics"?

Roberts and Alito will eventually fix this.

Interesting how our whole society is being systematically degraded to appease the gay agenda.

To think this all started from a philosophy of "let everyone do what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone else".

Now we see that harm isn't always immediately apparent.

Perhaps it's time to reassess.

July 29, 2010 10:23 AM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Ah yes, with their packed conservative Supreme Court, the GOP feels ready to take back America. But take it back to where?

The Republican Tea Party Contract on America

For the better part of the past year, Republicans have tried to come up with a new agenda for the American people with mixed results. However, with the Tea Party now the most potent force in Republican politics, and with the recent launch of the Tea Party Caucus on Capitol Hill garnering the support of Republican leaders like National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Pete Sessions and Republican Caucus Chair Mike Pence, the Republican Party agenda has become clear. Republican leaders and Tea Party-supported Republican candidates can now rally around the "Republican Tea Party Contract on America" as the blueprint for how they would govern.

1. Repeal the Affordable Care Act (Health Insurance Reform)
Put insurance companies back in charge, repeal tax credits for small businesses, allow insurance companies to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions and to drop coverage when a person gets too sick and make prescription drugs for seniors less affordable.

2. Privatize Social Security or phase it out altogether
Turn the guaranteed retirement benefits of America's seniors over to Wall Street CEOs by putting Social Security at risk in the stock market or, as some Republicans have called for, phase out Social Security altogether and end a program millions of American seniors rely on for their survival.

3. End Medicare as it presently exists
Phase out and end Medicare as it presently exists for future generations of seniors -- ending Medicare's guaranteed healthcare benefits for more than 40 million American seniors -- and replace it with a voucher system which will result in higher premiums and fewer services for seniors.

4. Extend the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy and big oil
At a cost of nearly $700 billion, extend the Bush tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and big oil, which are set to expire and which have and will continue to explode the federal budget deficit.

5. Repeal Wall Street Reform
Roll back the toughest consumer protections ever enacted, allow banks to continue to grow too big to fail, and ensure that predatory lenders continue to utilize their most abusive practices.

6. Protect those responsible for the oil spill and future environmental catastrophes
Cap liabilities for those responsible for environmental disasters like the Gulf oil spill and let companies like BP decide which victims deserve compensation for the disaster and what the timeline for relief should be.

7. Abolish the Department of Education
Put the big banks back in charge of student loans and put an end to federal assistance for public schools.

8. Abolish the Department of Energy
End America's investments in a clean-energy future and disband the organization responsible for oversight of nuclear materials.

9. Abolish the Environmental Protection Agency
Gut the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act -- which together protect our kids from air pollution and keep drinking water safe -- and disband the watchdog that holds polluters accountable.

10. Repeal the 17th Amendment
Take away your right to pick your U.S. Senator.

July 29, 2010 1:04 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

Help the Leadership Institute stop similar abuses and bias! http://www.campusreform.org/

July 29, 2010 1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

way to change the subject, Bea

a Federal judge has ruled that taxpayer funded institutions may discriminate based on religious belief

and, after all your obsession with discrimination laws, you, oddly, aren't outraged

maybe, like Harry Reid's vote against limiting corporate participation in election, you're just being a hypocrite

July 29, 2010 1:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, a student may have any religious belief they want. They must be able to meet academic requirements to get a degree, and it does not sound like these women are even going to try. I'm sure there are lots of Christians in these universities, and I'm also sure that if they (or an atheist or Muslim or Jew etc) refuse to learn their lessons they will not graduate.

July 29, 2010 1:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from what Jim posted, I don't see that they refused to "learn" any "lesson"

the dispute seem to be that they didn't want to enable or endorse what they considered sinful behavior

what "academic requirement" did they not "even try" to meet?

July 29, 2010 3:09 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

way to change the subject, Bea

Should I take that as a compliment from the Anon who posts subject changes constantly? No, instead I'll point out that you brought up the "time to reassess" and I brought up where you conservatives would like to take the country, as noted in the Republican Tea Party Contract On America. I don't see you disagreeing with any of the items in it, in fact, you have a long record of supporting many of them right here on Vigilance.

a Federal judge has ruled that taxpayer funded institutions may discriminate based on religious belief

No he didn't. Apparently your reading comprehension skills are failing you again. As Jim reported, U.S. District Judge George Caram Steeh dismissed Ward’s lawsuit against Eastern Michigan University. She was removed from the school’s counseling program last year because she refused to counsel homosexual clients.

from what Jim posted, I don't see that they refused to "learn" any "lesson

Ward "refused to counsel homosexual clients", which was required in her selected field of study at this public university.

It wasn't Ward's faith that caused her to be booted from the counseling program. It was her refusal to complete her required course of counseling training that cost her the right to remain in that counseling program.

If Ward's faith is so strong that she is unable to complete her studies at a public institution, she should select a different course of study that doesn't conflict with her religious views or get counseling training at a religious school that shares her beliefs.

Ms. Ward should do like like Theresa did. When Theresa discovered she didn't like the MCPS sex ed program, she enrolled her kids in a private school that suited her strong religious preferences better.

July 30, 2010 8:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why would you have to counsel homosexual clients to get a degree in counseling?

indeed, why would a student have clients?

July 30, 2010 9:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Graduate students in counseling typically are required to complete a practicum, which comprises some number of hours of working with clients.

July 30, 2010 10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any reason homosexual patients have to be part of that?

if someone has concerns, why can't they be assigned other patients?

is it because homosexuals make up a disproportinate share of mental illness cases?

July 30, 2010 10:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, please, "Anonymous"
Your snarky remarks go far beyond reason and are so obviously poisoned by your homophobia and bigotry that you cannot make any sensible comments on this subject.

What is your support data for this lusicrous remark: "is it because homosexuals make up a disproportinate share of mental illness cases?"

Perhaps you can cite some facts and figures release from studies at one of the more preeminent Christian schools who teach that it is a sin to counsel any patient deemed to be sinful?

July 30, 2010 11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm just asking why it is now impossible to get achieve a degree in counseling without having counseled homosexuals

this could be worked out

the intransigence is just part of the gay agenda, seeking the enforced normalization of homosexuality

square pegs still don't fit in round holes, even after all this time

July 30, 2010 11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At a public institution, all people are welcome regardless of religion or sexual orientation and many other factors.

If a gay counseling graduate student refused to counsel Christians at a public university with the same policy as Eastern Michigan University, then the gay student should also be expelled and any resultant law suit thrown out.

July 30, 2010 2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no one said the gay person couldn't come

gay people definitely need mental health help

still, it's hard to see why they can't be paired with a counseling student who thinks homosexuality is fine

is it because so few such people exist?

let's say you're gay and need some real mental help:

wouldn't you want to be treated by someone who has a degree?

or would you be too far gone to care, being gay and all?

July 30, 2010 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Robert said...

Can you get a degree in counseling if you routinely tell Catholic clients that their religious views are immoral? Baptist? Muslim? Jewish? Methodist?

Same difference. The only distinction is that you are convinced God agrees with you. I'm not.

July 30, 2010 9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"gay people definitely need mental health help"

A stunning example of the pot calling the kettle black, "Anonymous"

July 30, 2010 10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Can you get a degree in counseling if you routinely tell Catholic clients that their religious views are immoral?"

I would think so, yes.

Remember, it's not a degree in morality.

Homosexuality is actually considered a mental illness by some.

July 30, 2010 10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is your support data for this lusicrous remark: "is it because homosexuals make up a disproportinate share of mental illness cases?"

Gay and Lesbian Medical Association
http://www.glma.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.viewPage&pageID=690

Depression and anxiety appear to affect gay men at a higher rate than in the general population.
…it is still thought that gay men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than straight men.
Problems with body image are more common among gay men than their straight counterparts, and gay men are much more likely to experience an eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervosa.

July 30, 2010 11:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Universities Under Attack"

only Jimbo Kennedy would title a post about a university winning a court case this way

July 30, 2010 11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Depression and anxiety appear to affect gay men at a higher rate than in the general population.
…it is still thought that gay men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than straight men.
Problems with body image are more common among gay men than their straight counterparts, and gay men are much more likely to experience an eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervosa."

how about a higher degree of compulsive random promiscuity disorder?

July 30, 2010 11:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about inability to relate sexually to the complementary gender?

isn't that a mental illness?

doesn't it prevent them from participation in the human experience?

July 30, 2010 11:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank heaven everyone is staying on topic!!

July 30, 2010 11:32 PM  
Anonymous Merle said...

If anybody reading this tonight knows who "Anonymous" is, will you please go to his house and take the Jack Daniels bottle away from him?

July 30, 2010 11:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merle gets kind of sensitive when the topic of mental illness comes up

July 31, 2010 12:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's not him

it's the voices he hears

July 31, 2010 12:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stay on topic, Merle!

July 31, 2010 12:32 AM  
Anonymous Merle said...

Sadly, "Anonymous" has no friends to help him out.

July 31, 2010 12:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merle, we were having an interesting discussions about the various mental illnesses that are prevalent amongst homosexuals.

Did you have anything to add, other than your shallow attempt to divert attention by insulting others?

July 31, 2010 11:28 AM  
Anonymous Merle said...

Not really. How's your head this morning?

July 31, 2010 11:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't think your mind could conjure up anything else. Thanks for admitting it.

The beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad so I had one more for dessert.

July 31, 2010 2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that's what's happens when you wake up with no way to hold your head that doesn't hurt

July 31, 2010 3:46 PM  
Anonymous Aunt Bea said...

Look how obsessed you are with gay people, Anon. You spent your entire Friday night bad mouthing them. Have you met Tres Kerns yet Anon? I bet you two would hit it off. Maybe the two of you would enjoy traveling together to attend gay pride parades under the auspices of doing research, of course. You two could study the Bible as you spread your hate for gays.

"still, it's hard to see why they can't be paired with a counseling student who thinks homosexuality is fine

is it because so few such people exist?"


Look at the facts, Anon. *Two* students have balked at the requirement to counsel gays in their graduate courses in counseling. It's obvious that there are many fewer religious homophobes than tolerant and accepting people enrolled in graduate studies in counseling.

The tide is turning no matter how much vile hatred you homophobes spew. In fact I think it's because of all the hatred you homophobes spew that more and more young people turn away from your message of hate and your inability to accept God's gay creations. Their gay friends and the hateful messages you send about them **do not compute** so they reject your message of hate and support their friends.

July 31, 2010 5:12 PM  

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