Drunk Cop Arrested for Transgender Shootings
I don't usually like to cite the Washington Times but at this moment they seem to have the most succinct reporting on a breaking news story.
We have talked here about how two transgender people had been shot in a particular neighborhood in DC. One was killed and the shooter missed the other one. Early this morning there was another shooting, and this time the assailant was caught -- he's a DC cop.
The Washington Times:
This location does not seem especially close to the other two shootings, which took place on Dix Street, NE, several miles away. No news story that I see ties this shooting to the others, but I wouldn't rule it out. It would be nice to know they caught the responsible person.
We have talked here about how two transgender people had been shot in a particular neighborhood in DC. One was killed and the shooter missed the other one. Early this morning there was another shooting, and this time the assailant was caught -- he's a DC cop.
The Washington Times:
A drunken off-duty Metropolitan Police Department officer fired a gun and wounded a person among a group of people — some of whom were transgender — that the officer had gotten into a confrontation with, police said Friday.
The incident occurred at First and Pierce streets in Northwest at about 5:25 a.m. Friday, police said.
The officer, who was not identified, got into a confrontation with a group of five people. The officer fired, and police said one person was shot and sustained non life-threatening injuries. Two other people also sustained injuries which were also non life-threatening. Police said they were investigating to determine the cause of those injuries.
The off-duty officer was charged with driving while intoxicated and assault with a dangerous weapon, officials said.
The police department’s Force Investigation Team and the Internal Affairs Division were investigating. MPD officer charged in shooting involving transgenders
This location does not seem especially close to the other two shootings, which took place on Dix Street, NE, several miles away. No news story that I see ties this shooting to the others, but I wouldn't rule it out. It would be nice to know they caught the responsible person.
posted by JimK at 3:42 PM
21 Comments:
Like bad anonymous says, there's no discrimination against transgender people.
believe or not, nasty Priya, Washington can be a dangerous place
even people who aren't trans are occasionally shot
don't worry though
it's illegal
Yes, but hate crime statistics show no other group is more likely to be attacked for who they are than LGBT people.
And people like you who dehumanize and demonize LGBTs are partly responsible for those attacks.
there's no evidence the incident that is the topic of this post is a hate crime
"hate crime statistics show no other group is more likely to be attacked for who they are than LGBT people"
any such statistics are inherently reliable
and they're irrelevant anyway
the constitution guarantees equal protection under the law
if some group seems to have a greater chance of victimization, it might be appropriate to watch out for them but giving crimes against them more weight than crimes against others, like the elderly or children is wrong
you're pathetic
Bad anonymous said "there's no evidence the incident that is the topic of this post is a hate crime".
Given that LGBTs experience the highest per capita rate of hate crimes its highly unlikely that this is anything other than a hate crime. Of course you'd deny reality if it sat on your face and wiggled.
Bad anonymous said "any such statistics are inherently reliable
and they're irrelevant anyway
the constitution guarantees equal protection under the law".
I agree, the statistics are inherently reliable but they most certainly are not irrelevant.
Any time a minority group is disproportionately singled out for violence and abuse the equal protection clause of the constitution is proven inadequate by itself and society needs to take extra steps to ameliorate the situation. Steps that include discouraging the sort of verbal violence that people like you supply which encourages and justifies such attacks.
Bad anonymous said "if some group seems to have a greater chance of victimization, it might be appropriate to watch out for them but giving crimes against them more weight than crimes against others, like the elderly or children is wrong".
Giving extra sanctions for the crime against the community which is seperate from the crime against the individual is a good way to "watch out for" those who are disproportionately singled out for violence or abuse. The elderly and children are not singled out for abuse at any where near the rate LGBT people are - resources must go to the worst problem first - violence against LGBTs.
Bad anonymous said "you're pathetic".
No moral person thinks its pathetic to provide protection to those who are disproportionately singled out for violence or abuse. You however are downright evil.
"Given that LGBTs experience the highest per capita rate of hate crimes its highly unlikely that this is anything other than a hate crime. Of course you'd deny reality if it sat on your face and wiggled."
is that face sitting something you and your "partners" do often?
never mind, don't answer that
so, we have a world where crime is common with all sorts of victims but anytime a tran is attacked you believe it has to be because the perpetrator dislikes all trans
and you think I'm in denial of reality?
people are snickering at you right now, nasty Priya
"I agree, the statistics are inherently reliable"
so, you are showing some faint sign of trace lucidity
"but they most certainly are not irrelevant"
oh yeah, inherently unreliable statistics are very relevant
they make the world go round
"Any time a minority group is disproportionately singled out for violence and abuse the equal protection clause of the constitution is proven inadequate"
thanks for admitting that you don't agree with the Constitution
that helps
"by itself and society needs to take extra steps to ameliorate the situation"
trans are not porcelain dolls
they are adults fully capable of accessing the same law enforcement and legal services that everyone in our society has available to them
"Steps that include discouraging the sort of verbal violence that people like you supply which encourages and justifies such attacks"
now, we're back to attacking Constitutional freedoms again
"verbal violence" is an oxymoron, often concocted by plain ol' morons like you
I haven't said anything unfair about trans here
if you think I have, let's have an example
"Giving extra sanctions for the crime against the community which is seperate from the crime against the individual is a good way to "watch out for" those who are disproportionately singled out for violence or abuse"
when you say "against community" and then "singled out" about the same act, it demonstrates how unplugged you are
"The elderly and children are not singled out for abuse at any where near the rate LGBT people are - resources must go to the worst problem first - violence against LGBTs"
that's where you're wrong
the eledrly and children deserve special protection becaus they're vulnerable
trans can take care of themselves
"No moral person thinks its pathetic to provide protection to those who are disproportionately singled out for violence or abuse"
I think you're pathetic because you want a more protected status than vulnerable members of our society
you think we should all treat you like a porcelain baby doll, and that's just pathetic
absolutely pathetic
now, don't you feel a LITTLE silly?
"You however are downright evil"
I support freedom and equality for everyone and gratitude to our Creator
you support government takeover of our life, controlled speech, special protection based on sexual practices rather than vulnerability, and hopeless materialism
and I'm downright evil?
what color is the sky in your world?
Bad anonymous said "thanks for admitting that you don't agree with the Constitution".
I never said any such thing. I'm perfectly in agreement with the equal protection clause in your constitution, however in cases like this its clear that that constitutional feater is inadequate on its own to provide equal protection and additional efforts are necessary to achieve the equality goal.
I said "by itself and society needs to take extra steps to ameliorate the situation"
Bad anonymous said "trans are not porcelain dolls they are adults fully capable of accessing the same law enforcement and legal services that everyone in our society has available to them".
No they are not. Christians and whites have access to hate crimes protections, trans people are generally excluded from them. When LGBT people have by far the highest per capapita rate of hate crimes against them it is clear the existing law enforcement and legal services are inadequate and additional steps are required to ameliorate the situation. And many trans people are not adults, they are minors and children.
I said "Steps that include discouraging the sort of verbal violence that people like you supply which encourages and justifies such attacks"
Bad anonymous said "now, we're back to attacking Constitutional freedoms again".
Nonsense. If you have the right to demonize and dehumanize LGBTs I have the right to criticize you for it.
Bad anonymous said "I haven't said anything unfair about trans here".
Not direclty in this particular thread, but your past history is overflowing with demonization and dehumanization of trans people and calls to deny us equal rights. And in this thread you've given indications that you'd never agree that any attack on a trans person was motivated by hate of trans people - in this thread you've continued to distort reality in order to discourage the amelioration of disproportionate hate crimes on trans and LGBs
I said "Giving extra sanctions for the crime against the community which is seperate from the crime against the individual is a good way to "watch out for" those who are disproportionately singled out for violence or abuse"
Bad anonymous said "when you say "against community" and then "singled out" about the same act, it demonstrates how unplugged you are".
Nonsense. members of the community are singled out for abuse because they are members of the community. In a hate crime there are two victims, the one who's been assaulted and the community he/she belongs to which the attacker instills terror in with the attack on the individual. Of course to you the terroization of the trans community isn't a problem, its a bonus.
I said "The elderly and children are not singled out for abuse at any where near the rate LGBT people are - resources must go to the worst problem first - violence against LGBTs"
Bad anonymous said "that's where you're wrong".
There have been no hate crimes against the elderly or children, they simply are not socially singled out for hate attacks as a group.
Bad anonymous said "the eledrly and children deserve special protection becaus they're vulnerable".
What happened to your claim that "trans people are adults fully capable of accessing the same law enforcement and legal services that everyone in our society has available to them"?
Here your true beliefs come out, you want to deny trans people rights you'd give to others. So much for your false claim to believe in equal protection.
Bad anonymous said "trans can take care of themselves".
Not true, when someone attacks an unarmed trans person with a gun we can't take care of ourselves. When a gang of young thugs attacks a trans person we can't take care of ourselves. When societal oppression denies trans people employment, housing, and incomes anywhere near average trans people cannot take care of themselves.
Like the bigot you are you want to see the oppression, assaults, and murders of trans people continue at elevated rates and give special protections to groups who aren't disproportionately victims. You want trans people to be victims you scumbag.
I said "No moral person thinks its pathetic to provide protection to those who are disproportionately singled out for violence or abuse"
Bad anonymous said "I think you're pathetic because you want a more protected status than vulnerable members of our society".
Hate crimes statistics show LGBTs are the most vulnerable members of society. You want to deny us protected status and give it to groups which are not singled out for attacks based on who they are. You're guilty of what you accuse me of, you're a psychopath. Psychopaths like you think its pathetic to want to help the most vulnerable members of society. Psychopaths like you want to live high on the broken bodies of the already downtrodden.
Bad anonymous asked "now, don't you feel a LITTLE silly?".
Of course not. I feel proud of my actions to support societies most vulnerable and dissapointed that a*holes like you want to keep them that way, or worse.
Bad anonymous said "I support freedom and equality for everyone".
No you don't, you admitted it in this thread. You want to give special protections to groups who aren't disproportionately singled out for violence and deny them to groups who are.
Bad anonymous said you support government takeover of our life, controlled speech, special protection based on sexual practices rather than vulnerability, and hopeless materialism".
Like the psychopath you are you accuse me of what you're guilty of. You want the government to tell a woman what she can do with her body, dictate to people the gender of their marriage partners, to deny protection to societies most vulnerable and give it to those who are not victims of hate crimes, and to teach people to waste their lives on the false promise that they'll live in heaven once they're dead.
Bad anonymous said "and I'm downright evil?"
You most certainly are. A moral person would support ameliorating the plight of the group that is most disproportionately attacked. A moral person would support equal rights for all. You are in no sense a moral person.
wow, looks like nasty Priya is at it again!
"I'm perfectly in agreement with the equal protection clause in your constitution, however in cases like this its clear that that constitutional feater is inadequate"
that's interesting
nasty Priya is "perfectly in agreement" with inadequacy
it's all starting to make sense now!
anyone know what "feater" is?
"on its own to provide equal protection and additional efforts are necessary to achieve the equality goal"
Americans are guaranteed equality under the law not equality
Canadians are guaranteed what Michael Corleone guaranteed the politician
"Christians and whites have access to hate crimes protections, trans people are generally excluded from them."
hate crimes are special protection for a favored few and should be banned
"When LGBT people have by far the highest per capapita rate of hate crimes against them it is clear the existing law enforcement and legal services are inadequate and additional steps are required to ameliorate the situation."
the government is not purposed with protecting people from hate just crime and there are laws protecting everyone
even people who think "capapita"
the best laws are those that apply to everyone, not just a whiny favored few
"And many trans people are not adults, they are minors and children"
if so, their parents should get them treatment
"If you have the right to demonize and dehumanize LGBTs I have the right to criticize you for it"
criticize away but you also try reaaall hard to get ideas you don't agree with banned and deleted
I don't, being an American
"your past history is overflowing with demonization and dehumanization of trans people"
well, then, show us an example
just dunk your dipper in the overflow
"and calls to deny us equal rights"
that's not true
your problem is you think you have a right to be liked
"And in this thread you've given indications that you'd never agree that any attack on a trans person was motivated by hate of trans people"
that was journey into your imagination
quite the opposite is true
you said that any time a tran is attacked it must be a hate crime, ignoring the fact that crimes happen to people in all categories
"in this thread you've continued to distort reality in order to discourage the amelioration of disproportionate hate crimes on trans"
can I ask you a question?
was "ameliorate" the vocabulary word of the week in the nut house?
because if you get extra credit for using it 25 times in a sentence this week, you just got a little closer to getting out
"members of the community are singled out for abuse because they are members of the community. In a hate crime there are two victims, the one who's been assaulted and the community he/she belongs to which the attacker instills terror in with the attack on the individual"
actually, if there's a hate crime law, there's a third victim
equal protection under the law for people who don't whine
"Of course to you the terroization of the trans community isn't a problem, its a bonus"
rest assured, I don't even know what "terroization" is
"There have been no hate crimes against the elderly or children, they simply are not socially singled out for hate attacks as a group"
actually, there are crimes against the elderly and children that are far worse than "hate" crimes
and if a sociopath is trying to decide whether to attack a child or a tran, let's not give him an incentive for choosing the child
"What happened to your claim that "trans people are adults fully capable of accessing the same law enforcement and legal services that everyone in our society has available to them"?"
I don't anything happened to it other than the fact that it convinced everyone that you were a LITTLE silly
"Here your true beliefs come out, you want to deny trans people rights you'd give to others"
I'm not actually in charge of passing out rights but I do know that trans have the same rights as everyone else
the whole Bill of Rights
"So much for your false claim to believe in equal protection"
I'm starting to think you don't understand the concept of "equal protection"
say, you don't live in a nuthouse, do you?
"when someone attacks an unarmed trans person with a gun we can't take care of ourselves"
that's true of all unarmed persons
we all have the same protection from that happening
"When a gang of young thugs attacks a trans person we can't take care of ourselves"
nasty Priya, thug attacking is already illegal
"When societal oppression denies trans people employment, housing, and incomes anywhere near average trans people cannot take care of themselves"
sure you can
accept responsibility for yourself
"Like the bigot you are you want to see the oppression, assaults, and murders of trans people continue at elevated rates"
you know, that's really kind of slanderous
"and give special protections to groups who aren't disproportionately victims"
I've never suggested special rights for anyone
"You want trans people to be victims you scumbag"
that's like saying if I don't give you all my money, I want you to be poor
"Hate crimes statistics show LGBTs are the most vulnerable members of society"
I thought you admitted that the stats are unreliable
"You're guilty of what you accuse me of, you're a psychopath. Psychopaths like you think its pathetic to want to help the most vulnerable members of society"
I think it's pathetic to demand to be treated like a baby
"Psychopaths like you want to live high on the broken bodies of the already downtrodden"
bizarre statement
"Of course not. I feel proud of my actions to support societies most vulnerable and dissapointed that a*holes like you want to keep them that way, or worse"
maybe you should start a "pride" parade for people who are so pathetic that they think they are being noble by demanding special treatment for themsleves
Bad anonymous said "Americans are guaranteed equality under the law not equality".
I agree. But that's no reason not to take every opportunity we can to make society a better place. When a minority group is disproportionately singled out for abuse a just and fair society does what it can to ameliorate the situation.
I said "Christians and whites have access to hate crimes protections, trans people are generally excluded from them."
Bad anonymous said "hate crimes are special protection for a favored few and should be banned".
You were just demanding that children and the elderly be given special protections. If its good enough for them then its good enough for LGBTs.
I said "When LGBT people have by far the highest per capapita rate of hate crimes against them it is clear the existing law enforcement and legal services are inadequate and additional steps are required to ameliorate the situation."
Bad anonymous said "the government is not purposed with protecting people from hate just crime and there are laws protecting everyone".
Hate crimes are a crime. When a minority is disproportionately singled out for abuse a just and fair society takes steps to ameliorate that.
Bad anonymous said "the best laws are those that apply to everyone, not just a whiny favored few".
You were just advocating that the elderly and children be given special protections while trans people be given none. You favour laws that apply only to the whiny few. I on the other hand favour any group that is disporportionatley singled out for abuse being protected by hate crimes laws. When and if hate crimes statistics show the elderly and children being targeted I'll be the first one there calling for their protection by hate crimes laws. You on the other hand favour protecting people not based on need, but based on who you like best.
I said "And many trans people are not adults, they are minors and children"
Bad anonymous said "if so, their parents should get them treatment".
Good parents do, they give them hormone blockers and assist with transition. But that is besides the point, the point is that when you say trans people are adults and can take care of themselves that is not always true. Of course you'd rather childishly try to change the subject than be a man and admit you're wrong.
I said "If you have the right to demonize and dehumanize LGBTs I have the right to criticize you for it"
Bad anonyomous said "criticize away but you also try reaaall hard to get ideas you don't agree with banned and deleted".
Nonsense. I've never called for your banning and I only ask that your comments be relevant to the topic at hand. If I have my way you'll be free to say whatever you want when Jim brings the related topic up.
I said "your past history is overflowing with demonization and dehumanization of trans people"
Bad anonymous said "well, then, show us an example".
That's unnecessary. Every regular reader here is well familiar with your calls of "deviant", "pervert", "destroyer of society" and so on. Your attempts to deny your statements will only make people laugh.
I said "and calls to deny us equal rights"
Bad anonymous said "that's not true".
LOL, you're a pathetic joke. You constantly demand that LGBTs be prevented from marrying the partner of their choice the same as heterosexuals can do, you constantly seek to deny LGBTs the right to adopt like heterosexuals have, in this very thread, over and over you've demanded that LGBTs be denied the rights to "special protections" that you said yourself you want to give to the elderly and children and which are already given to white christians such as yourself.
Bad anonymous said "your problem is you think you have a right to be liked".
I've never said or thought such a thing. As long as LGBTs have equal rights and protections under the law I couldn't give a flying F*ck how much you and yours hate us.
I said "And in this thread you've given indications that you'd never agree that any attack on a trans person was motivated by hate of trans people"
Bad anonymous said "that was journey into your imagination".
LOL, you're a terrible liar. Your beliefs are obvious to every one who reads this blog. You've never acknowledged that any of the attacks on LGBTs discussed here were, or even might have been hate crimes, you've always insisted they are just random violence.
Bad anonymous said "you said that any time a tran is attacked it must be a hate crime, ignoring the fact that crimes happen to people in all categories".
I never said any such thing. What I have said is that given that LGBTs have the highest (by far) per capita rate of hate crimes committed against them, when an LGBT person is attacked outside of a known LGBT hangout or their minority membership is obvious its highly likely that they are the vicim of a hate crime. You constantly distort reality by pretending LGBTs are not any more likely to be victims of hate crimes ;than anyone else - an idiotic idea we've come to expect from you.
Bad anonymous said "actually, if there's a hate crime law, there's a third victim equal protection under the law for people who don't whine".
Hate crimes laws protect all people equally. If a hate crime is committed against a heterosexual it is the same penalty as when its committed against a gay. If a hate crime is committed against a white person it is the same penalty as when its committed against a black person. Any minority group that is disproportionatley singled out for abuse is added to the hate crimes laws - everyone gets the same level of protection.
Bad anonymous said "rest assured, I don't even know what "terroization"".
Just one amongnst the huge list of things you don't know - that comes with having a room temperature IQ.
I said "There have been no hate crimes against the elderly or children, they simply are not socially singled out for hate attacks as a group"
Bad anonymous said "actually, there are crimes against the elderly and children that are far worse than "hate" crimes".
Worse than torture and murder? Do tell.
Bad anonymous said "and if a sociopath is trying to decide whether to attack a child or a tran, let's not give him an incentive for choosing the child"
I never suggested any such thing. You however have demanded that the disproportionate attacks on trans people not be addressed.
I said "Here your true beliefs come out, you want to deny trans people rights you'd give to others"
Bad anonymous said "I'm not actually in charge of passing out rights but I do know that trans have the same rights as everyone else"
I never said you were in charge, but you did say you wanted to give special protections to the elderly and children which you'd deny to trans people - you want to deny trans people the rights you'd like to see others have.
I said "when someone attacks an unarmed trans person with a gun we can't take care of ourselves"
Bad anonymous said "that's true of all unarmed persons".
I didn't say it wasn't. What it proves is that trans people can't always "take care of themselves" like you claimed.
Bad anonymous said "we all have the same protection from that happening".
And when one group is disproportionately singled out for attacks a fair and just society takes extra steps to ameliorate that.
I said "When a gang of young thugs attacks a trans person we can't take care of ourselves"
Bad anonymous said "nasty Priya, thug attacking is already illegal".
I didn't say it wasn't. The point is that you're lying when you say trans people can take care of themselves.
I said "When societal oppression denies trans people employment, housing, and incomes anywhere near average trans people cannot take care of themselves"
Bad anonymous said "sure you can accept responsibility for yourself".
We do, but that doesn't prevent society from oppressing us for who we are despite what exemplary people we are. Once again, you're lying when you say trans people can take care of themselves.
I said "Like the bigot you are you want to see the oppression, assaults, and murders of trans people continue at elevated rates"
Bad anonymous said "you know, that's really kind of slanderous".
You're obviously not familiar with the law against slander. When a statement is true its not slander. That statment is obviously true.
I said "and give special protections to groups who aren't disproportionately victims"
Bad anonymous said "I've never suggested special rights for anyone".
That's the trouble with not telling the truth, you can't keep track of your lies.
You said "the eledrly and children deserve special protection becaus they're vulnerable" in your comment at August 27, 2011 5:06 PM
I said "You want trans people to be victims you scumbag"
Bad anonymous said "that's like saying if I don't give you all my money, I want you to be poor".
Its not like that at all. Ameliorating the hate crime situation against trans people doesn't cost you anything, You seek to prevent that soley because you want us to continue to be disproportionately victims of hate crimes.
I said "Hate crimes statistics show LGBTs are the most vulnerable members of society"
Bad anonymous said "I thought you admitted that the stats are unreliable".
No, I agreed with you when you said "hate crime statistics are inherently reliable"
I said "You're guilty of what you accuse me of, you're a psychopath. Psychopaths like you think its pathetic to want to help the most vulnerable members of society"
Bad anonymous said "I think it's pathetic to demand to be treated like a baby".
I never asked any such thing. What I ask is to be protected from being singled out for attacks more than anyother group.
"Of course not. I feel proud of my actions to support societies most vulnerable and dissapointed that a*holes like you want to keep them that way, or worse"
Bad anonymous said "maybe you should start a "pride" parade for people who are so pathetic that they think they are being noble by demanding special treatment for themsleves".
I've made no such demand. Adding sexual orientation and gender identity to hate crimes laws will protect heterosexuals like you (snicker) and male identified people like you in exactly the same way they'll protect gays and me.
wow, looks like nasty Priya is at it again!
"I'm perfectly in agreement with the equal protection clause in your constitution, however in cases like this its clear that that constitutional feater is inadequate"
that's interesting
nasty Priya is "perfectly in agreement" with inadequacy
it's all starting to make sense now!
anyone know what "feater" is?
"on its own to provide equal protection and additional efforts are necessary to achieve the equality goal"
Americans are guaranteed equality under the law not equality
Canadians are guaranteed what Michael Corleone guaranteed the politician
"Christians and whites have access to hate crimes protections, trans people are generally excluded from them."
hate crimes are special protection for a favored few and should be banned
"When LGBT people have by far the highest per capapita rate of hate crimes against them it is clear the existing law enforcement and legal services are inadequate and additional steps are required to ameliorate the situation."
the government is not purposed with protecting people from hate just crime and there are laws protecting everyone
even people who think "capapita"
the best laws are those that apply to everyone, not just a whiny favored few
"And many trans people are not adults, they are minors and children"
if so, their parents should get them treatment
"If you have the right to demonize and dehumanize LGBTs I have the right to criticize you for it"
criticize away but you also try reaaall hard to get ideas you don't agree with banned and deleted
I don't, being an American
"your past history is overflowing with demonization and dehumanization of trans people"
well, then, show us an example
just dunk your dipper in the overflow
"and calls to deny us equal rights"
that's not true
your problem is you think you have a right to be liked
"And in this thread you've given indications that you'd never agree that any attack on a trans person was motivated by hate of trans people"
that was journey into your imagination
quite the opposite is true
you said that any time a tran is attacked it must be a hate crime, ignoring the fact that crimes happen to people in all categories
"in this thread you've continued to distort reality in order to discourage the amelioration of disproportionate hate crimes on trans"
can I ask you a question?
was "ameliorate" the vocabulary word of the week in the nut house?
because if you get extra credit for using it 25 times in a sentence this week, you just got a little closer to getting out
"members of the community are singled out for abuse because they are members of the community. In a hate crime there are two victims, the one who's been assaulted and the community he/she belongs to which the attacker instills terror in with the attack on the individual"
actually, if there's a hate crime law, there's a third victim
equal protection under the law for people who don't whine
"Of course to you the terroization of the trans community isn't a problem, its a bonus"
rest assured, I don't even know what "terroization" is
"There have been no hate crimes against the elderly or children, they simply are not socially singled out for hate attacks as a group"
actually, there are crimes against the elderly and children that are far worse than "hate" crimes
and if a sociopath is trying to decide whether to attack a child or a tran, let's not give him an incentive for choosing the child
"What happened to your claim that "trans people are adults fully capable of accessing the same law enforcement and legal services that everyone in our society has available to them"?"
I don't anything happened to it other than the fact that it convinced everyone that you were a LITTLE silly
"Here your true beliefs come out, you want to deny trans people rights you'd give to others"
I'm not actually in charge of passing out rights but I do know that trans have the same rights as everyone else
the whole Bill of Rights
"So much for your false claim to believe in equal protection"
I'm starting to think you don't understand the concept of "equal protection"
say, you don't live in a nuthouse, do you?
"when someone attacks an unarmed trans person with a gun we can't take care of ourselves"
that's true of all unarmed persons
we all have the same protection from that happening
"When a gang of young thugs attacks a trans person we can't take care of ourselves"
nasty Priya, thug attacking is already illegal
"When societal oppression denies trans people employment, housing, and incomes anywhere near average trans people cannot take care of themselves"
sure you can
accept responsibility for yourself
"Like the bigot you are you want to see the oppression, assaults, and murders of trans people continue at elevated rates"
you know, that's really kind of slanderous
"and give special protections to groups who aren't disproportionately victims"
I've never suggested special rights for anyone
"You want trans people to be victims you scumbag"
that's like saying if I don't give you all my money, I want you to be poor
"Hate crimes statistics show LGBTs are the most vulnerable members of society"
I thought you admitted that the stats are unreliable
"You're guilty of what you accuse me of, you're a psychopath. Psychopaths like you think its pathetic to want to help the most vulnerable members of society"
I think it's pathetic to demand to be treated like a baby
"Psychopaths like you want to live high on the broken bodies of the already downtrodden"
bizarre statement
"Of course not. I feel proud of my actions to support societies most vulnerable and dissapointed that a*holes like you want to keep them that way, or worse"
maybe you should start a "pride" parade for people who are so pathetic that they think they are being noble by demanding special treatment for themsleves
Bad anonymous said "Americans are guaranteed equality under the law not equality".
I agree. But that's no reason not to take every opportunity we can to make society a better place. When a minority group is disproportionately singled out for abuse a just and fair society does what it can to ameliorate the situation.
I said "Christians and whites have access to hate crimes protections, trans people are generally excluded from them."
Bad anonymous said "hate crimes are special protection for a favored few and should be banned".
You were just demanding that children and the elderly be given special protections. If its good enough for them then its good enough for LGBTs.
I said "When LGBT people have by far the highest per capapita rate of hate crimes against them it is clear the existing law enforcement and legal services are inadequate and additional steps are required to ameliorate the situation."
Bad anonymous said "the government is not purposed with protecting people from hate just crime and there are laws protecting everyone".
Hate crimes are a crime. When a minority is disproportionately singled out for abuse a just and fair society takes steps to ameliorate that.
Bad anonymous said "the best laws are those that apply to everyone, not just a whiny favored few".
You were just advocating that the elderly and children be given special protections while trans people be given none. You favour laws that apply only to the whiny few. I on the other hand favour any group that is disporportionatley singled out for abuse being protected by hate crimes laws. When and if hate crimes statistics show the elderly and children being targeted I'll be the first one there calling for their protection by hate crimes laws. You on the other hand favour protecting people not based on need, but based on who you like best.
I said "And many trans people are not adults, they are minors and children"
Bad anonymous said "if so, their parents should get them treatment".
Good parents do, they give them hormone blockers and assist with transition. But that is besides the point, the point is that when you say trans people are adults and can take care of themselves that is not always true. Of course you'd rather childishly try to change the subject than be a man and admit you're wrong.
I said "If you have the right to demonize and dehumanize LGBTs I have the right to criticize you for it"
Bad anonyomous said "criticize away but you also try reaaall hard to get ideas you don't agree with banned and deleted".
Nonsense. I've never called for your banning and I only ask that your comments be relevant to the topic at hand. If I have my way you'll be free to say whatever you want when Jim brings the related topic up.
I said "your past history is overflowing with demonization and dehumanization of trans people"
Bad anonymous said "well, then, show us an example".
That's unnecessary. Every regular reader here is well familiar with your calls of "deviant", "pervert", "destroyer of society" and so on. Your attempts to deny your statements will only make people laugh.
I said "and calls to deny us equal rights"
Bad anonymous said "that's not true".
LOL, you're a pathetic joke. You constantly demand that LGBTs be prevented from marrying the partner of their choice the same as heterosexuals can do, you constantly seek to deny LGBTs the right to adopt like heterosexuals have, in this very thread, over and over you've demanded that LGBTs be denied the rights to "special protections" that you said yourself you want to give to the elderly and children and which are already given to white christians such as yourself.
Bad anonymous said "your problem is you think you have a right to be liked".
I've never said or thought such a thing. As long as LGBTs have equal rights and protections under the law I couldn't give a flying F*ck how much you and yours hate us.
I said "And in this thread you've given indications that you'd never agree that any attack on a trans person was motivated by hate of trans people"
Bad anonymous said "that was journey into your imagination".
LOL, you're a terrible liar. Your beliefs are obvious to every one who reads this blog. You've never acknowledged that any of the attacks on LGBTs discussed here were, or even might have been hate crimes, you've always insisted they are just random violence.
Bad anonymous said "you said that any time a tran is attacked it must be a hate crime, ignoring the fact that crimes happen to people in all categories".
I never said any such thing. What I have said is that given that LGBTs have the highest (by far) per capita rate of hate crimes committed against them, when an LGBT person is attacked outside of a known LGBT hangout or their minority membership is obvious its highly likely that they are the vicim of a hate crime. You constantly distort reality by pretending LGBTs are not any more likely to be victims of hate crimes ;than anyone else - an idiotic idea we've come to expect from you.
Bad anonymous said "actually, if there's a hate crime law, there's a third victim equal protection under the law for people who don't whine".
Hate crimes laws protect all people equally. If a hate crime is committed against a heterosexual it is the same penalty as when its committed against a gay. If a hate crime is committed against a white person it is the same penalty as when its committed against a black person. Any minority group that is disproportionatley singled out for abuse is added to the hate crimes laws - everyone gets the same level of protection.
Bad anonymous said "rest assured, I don't even know what "terroization"".
Just one amongnst the huge list of things you don't know - that comes with having a room temperature IQ.
I said "There have been no hate crimes against the elderly or children, they simply are not socially singled out for hate attacks as a group"
Bad anonymous said "actually, there are crimes against the elderly and children that are far worse than "hate" crimes".
Worse than torture and murder? Do tell.
Bad anonymous said "and if a sociopath is trying to decide whether to attack a child or a tran, let's not give him an incentive for choosing the child"
I never suggested any such thing. You however have demanded that the disproportionate attacks on trans people not be addressed.
I said "Here your true beliefs come out, you want to deny trans people rights you'd give to others"
Bad anonymous said "I'm not actually in charge of passing out rights but I do know that trans have the same rights as everyone else"
I never said you were in charge, but you did say you wanted to give special protections to the elderly and children which you'd deny to trans people - you want to deny trans people the rights you'd like to see others have.
I said "when someone attacks an unarmed trans person with a gun we can't take care of ourselves"
Bad anonymous said "that's true of all unarmed persons".
I didn't say it wasn't. What it proves is that trans people can't always "take care of themselves" like you claimed.
Bad anonymous said "we all have the same protection from that happening".
And when one group is disproportionately singled out for attacks a fair and just society takes extra steps to ameliorate that.
I said "When a gang of young thugs attacks a trans person we can't take care of ourselves"
Bad anonymous said "nasty Priya, thug attacking is already illegal".
I didn't say it wasn't. The point is that you're lying when you say trans people can take care of themselves.
I said "When societal oppression denies trans people employment, housing, and incomes anywhere near average trans people cannot take care of themselves"
Bad anonymous said "sure you can accept responsibility for yourself".
We do, but that doesn't prevent society from oppressing us for who we are despite what exemplary people we are. Once again, you're lying when you say trans people can take care of themselves.
I said "Like the bigot you are you want to see the oppression, assaults, and murders of trans people continue at elevated rates"
Bad anonymous said "you know, that's really kind of slanderous".
You're obviously not familiar with the law against slander. When a statement is true its not slander. That statment is obviously true.
I said "and give special protections to groups who aren't disproportionately victims"
Bad anonymous said "I've never suggested special rights for anyone".
That's the trouble with not telling the truth, you can't keep track of your lies.
You said "the eledrly and children deserve special protection becaus they're vulnerable" in your comment at August 27, 2011 5:06 PM
I said "You want trans people to be victims you scumbag"
Bad anonymous said "that's like saying if I don't give you all my money, I want you to be poor".
Its not like that at all. Ameliorating the hate crime situation against trans people doesn't cost you anything, You seek to prevent that soley because you want us to continue to be disproportionately victims of hate crimes.
I said "Hate crimes statistics show LGBTs are the most vulnerable members of society"
Bad anonymous said "I thought you admitted that the stats are unreliable".
No, I agreed with you when you said "hate crime statistics are inherently reliable"
I said "You're guilty of what you accuse me of, you're a psychopath. Psychopaths like you think its pathetic to want to help the most vulnerable members of society"
Bad anonymous said "I think it's pathetic to demand to be treated like a baby".
I never asked any such thing. What I ask is to be protected from being singled out for attacks more than anyother group.
"Of course not. I feel proud of my actions to support societies most vulnerable and dissapointed that a*holes like you want to keep them that way, or worse"
Bad anonymous said "maybe you should start a "pride" parade for people who are so pathetic that they think they are being noble by demanding special treatment for themsleves".
I've made no such demand. Adding sexual orientation and gender identity to hate crimes laws will protect heterosexuals like you (snicker) and male identified people like you in exactly the same way they'll protect gays and me.
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