Monday, September 03, 2012

The Lies, This Time Around

It is premature to get our hopes up, but it seems to me that this past week marked a real breakthrough in American journalism. This was the first time that the mainstream US press has peeked out from under the covers to report that lies were lies.

I think this is an effect of the pressure of the social media. Even as the various Republicans were speaking at their convention, Twitter was lighting up with fact-checking, Facebook was circulating pictures with funny captions quoting the speakers, nonsense was being laughed at in public.

This ability to bring out the facts in real time issues a kind of challenge to the corporate news industry. It is very hard to keep viewers watching your whitewashed fiction when they can sit at their computers and learn the truth.

The comparison point, for me, is the 2003 build-up to the American attack on Iraq (you can hardly call it a "war," we don't even know who the enemy was supposed to be). Day after day the media giants published shocking stories about the horrors of Saddam, the links between Iraq and al Qaeda, weapons of mass destruction, nuclear threats, drones, plastic shredders, poison, torture. There were online forums and blogs on the Internet where people could discuss things and where knowledgeable journalists could present alternative viewpoints that undermined the corporate/government perspective, and these created real doubt in that small section of the population that was aware of those sites, but it was all so new and the established media paid no attention.

Remember, the worldwide web only appeared in about 1995, you never saw a web browser before then, they didn't exist -- and there were no web sites to browse, even if you did have a browser. No one knew what to use this new thing for in 2003, as the White House manufactured reasons to go to war and the corporate media repeated the press releases as if they were reporting the news. As the network's structure was just beginning to emerge, the polarizing buildup to aggression accelerated the formation of online communities where facts could be shared.

All that has been maturing over the past decade, and this might have been the week that it finally ripened. The worldwide web is now organized into clusters and subnetworks that transmit fast-moving information, top-quality journalists and experts use it to disseminate their knowledge, records can be retrieved and shared in an instant. Politicians can still lie but only the most irresponsible and disconnected citizens remain unaware when facts are in question.

As David Roberts has noted at Grist, the recent Republican National Convention moves the game to the next level, and in fact it presents a new kind of challenge to journalists.
When I originally wrote about post-truth politics, I was focused on how Obama should operate within it. But most of the recent discussion has been about how journalists should operate within it...

David Bernstein of The Boston Phoenix gets at the first in this tweet:
Dear media critics: OK, entire news media called Romney’s welfare attack a lie. Campaign still pushing it. Now what?
Fair question! The political media, at least certain quarters of it, has become more forthright about calling out lies and deceptions lately. (For some reason, the welfare attack in particular has fired them up.) But the Romney campaign doesn’t give a damn. As their pollster said the other day, “we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.” A key feature of the post-truth political landscape is that there are no longer universally recognized arbiters or referees of fact. The right has their own media ecosystem. Why should they care what journos outside it say?

So what’s a journalist to do when she calls a lie a lie … and then the candidate keeps repeating it? One of the great demands of daily journalism is novelty. Reporters are supposed to write about what happened today, what’s new. Pundits and analysts hate debunking the same lie over and over again; it bores them and their readers. But if a candidate or campaign just bulls through the initial round of scolding and keeps on telling the lie, what then? The whole enterprise can seem futile, especially when none of it seems to reach or budge undecided voters. As Romney and Ryan lie with abandon, how should journalists navigate post-truth politics?
It is significant that he hangs his argument on a tweet by a journalist. Twitter is faster than published and broadcast media, and its editorial process is democratic: people retweet what they think is good, so some content spreads through the population while some -- most of it -- dies out. Twitter is able to provoke and stay on big media's back in continuous time, not having to wait through publication cycles or worry about advertisers' approval -- it was fascinating to see Twitter users' frustration at the delay in broadcasting of the recent Olympic games, a few hours was an intolerably long gap for them, it made the television audience look dull and slow. Which they are, as they sit on their couches waiting for the sponsors to spoon-feed selected information to them in prime time, when advertising rates are highest.

This week, it was impressive to see the line-up of media outlets that felt compelled to report that much of what was said at the RNC was pure fiction. I can't remember ever seeing that before, can you? It wasn't that journalists' eyes were suddenly opened -- they have to be one of the most skeptical, cynical groups of people in the world, they know when politicians are full of it -- but suddenly they realized that if they did not report on the lying they could lose their audience. Everybody else, sitting at the kitchen table with their computer, knew that the Republicans were lying about everything at their "We Built It" convention. If the media had just reported the speeches, like they usually do, with some comment on what the wives wore and the occasional shot of a dirty hippie or two protesting outside, like they usually do, their readership would have recognized it for what it is, pure sanitized propaganda.

Roberts realizes that this transition raises the next question. The traditional conservative response when their lies have been revealed is to keep repeating them until they become media "facts." No one in America was really surprised that there were no WMD's in Iraq, those were a media fact and not a real fact. Everybody knows that Obama said you didn't build the roads and bridges that bring customers and inventory to your business. The next question is how much effort the media should invest in refuting the lies.

It is probably not enough just to put Obama's full quote in context, for instance, and move on. Because the Republicans will present it out of context again and again. But the media are in fact going to bore their audience to death if every day they have to re-publish the facts that contradict the same old statements.

I think it comes down to the parties and the politicians to keep the story alive. Think, for instance, about Paul Ryan's statement that he finished a marathon in under three minutes ( see refutation by Fox News). He hadn't. He ran in one marathon, in 1990, and it took him more than an hour longer than he said. It was a big fat lie, but it quickly became part of the background fabric of our day. We are too busy to argue about it, there are more important things, and so the lie cohabitates with truth, as equals.

Compare Ryan's marathon to Al Gore's creation of the Internet. In one case a guy flat-out lied, in another, a guy's words could be twisted to make it sound like he claimed to have done something he obviously could not have done. But who is going to go on TV day after day and make jokes about Paul Ryan's marathon time? Who is going to photoshop the images that will go viral on the Internet, showing Paul Ryan running at the speed of light? What talk radio host is going to tell the story in sarcastic tones from morning till night, day after day, what television network is going to make this a talking point to bring up on every show? Answer: none, nobody, nothing, it won't happen. It's just another lie and it is something that journalists accept and that Americans expect, unless a political machine picks it up and tries to make something of it. Ryan's self-aggrandizing lie has nothing to do with jobs, the economy, foreign policy, but if the opposition party does not pick it up and nail him to the wall with it, he will get away with it and lie again when he wants.

In the end somebody will say, "Both sides do it," and will point to something a Democrat has said that was proven wrong, and people will roll their eyes and mutter about politicians, and that will be it. We're too busy to track these things down, to question each statement. Guy says he has a plan for the economy, okay, good, we need a plan, give the guy a shot at it. What? He doesn't really have a plan? Okay, uh, which guy was that again?

The media might find a new role in keeping the facts and lies separated, so the public can make complicated choices, but they need to be reinforced by their audience, the public, and by the political organizations that have a stake in distinguishing honesty from deceit.

105 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

too funny.

They are ALL LYING screams Jim.
and points out a lie ... sure or a misspeech .. about a marathon that I don't even think was part of Ryan's convention speech. anything more substantial ?

what in the convention speeches did you believe was a lie ?

You all can focus on giving free birth control to every female in US, and the republicans will continue to talk about what matters, the economy ...

so again, jim, please quote an example of a lie uttered in a convention speech... hey, and don't you think it was discriminatory of MSNBC to not play any of the black Republican's speeches at the conventions ? MSNBC must be full of bigots if they didn't think any of these speeches were important enough to air... the other networks aired them...

September 03, 2012 2:05 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The whole "we built it" theme of the republican convention was based on a lie. Obama said "There are roads and bridges, you got a business you didn't build that." The republicans truncated the quote and played to the public saying "You got a business, you didn't build that". They kept telling people Obama had said "You didn't build your business" when in fact he said no such thing. The entire "We built it" theme of the convention was a lie.

The fact is the Janesville plant was considered closed in December of 2008. On December 23, the last day of SUV procuction there was a ceremony with pictures and a huge banner stating "Last vehicle off the Janesville assembly line - December 23, 2008". The end of production was the way the media covered it, UAW workers walked off the line and that's when all the goodbyes took place. The plant was idled after that. There was some contract work that went on after that until April in the following year but from the local perspective the plant was closed December 23, 2008. The contract work that went on after December 23, 2008 was to build some other vehicles that weren't GM products and a limited number of workers had to fill out that contract but the 2000 workers had left the plant in December 2008 and although 57 workers stayed on as the plant idled the union considered the plant closed and the plant was effectively closed.

Obviously it was a lie for Ryan to have claimed Obama's actions were responsible for the plant closing, the decision and timing to shut it down were done during Bush's term and major production ended a month before Obama took office.

Although technically not a lie Ryan was misleading also in that his reference to the Janesville plant and Obama implied a Republican government would have saved it when in fact the decision was announced early in 2008 when Bush was in office and he did nothing about it. It is also misleading in that Ryan also implied he and Romeny wanted to support the plant when in fact they opposed the government auto bailout, no private equity firm such as Bain was willing to put its money on the line to save GM and the Romeny/Ryan bunch had been railing that the government shouldn't be picking winners and losers in the economy, those that can't compete should be allowed to fail. Ryan criticized Obama for doing exactly what he and the Republicans advocated so he was dishonest in that he implied the Republicans wanted the plant saved by the government.

September 03, 2012 3:10 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Another whopper of a lie the Republicans have been telling is that Obama took 700 billion out of medicare benefits to pay for Obamacare. In fact Obama cuts 700 billion from medicare providers, not benefits and most of those cuts come from closing loopholes and ending inefficiencies such as allowing medicare to pay for drugs at the same rate as medicaid.

Adding to Ryan's dishonesty is the fact that his budget plan includes the exact same 700 billion in cuts to medicare providers yet he claims he is going to save medicare while Obama is hurting it. Further lying though ommission Ryan fails to inform the convention goers that he plans to effectively abolish medicare by replacing it with a voucher system which will see almost all beneficiaries paying higher costs, many as much as $6000 per year extra.

Another blatent lie by the Romney campaign is that Obama is gutting the work requirements from welfare. In fact several Republican governers approached him and asked for more flexibility in meeting work requirements and Obama gave them what they asked for, flexibility in finding better ways of getting welfare recipients into jobs.

Under the new policy, states can now seek a federal waiver from work-participation rules that, among other things, require welfare recipients to engage in one of 12 specific “work activities,” such as job training. But, in exchange, states must develop a plan that would provide a “more efficient or effective means to promote employment,” which may or may not include some or all of the same work activities. States also must submit an “evaluation plan” that includes “performance measures” that must be met — or the waiver could be revoked.

Contrary to the Ryan/Romney lies the 1996 law never required all welfare recipients to work. Only 29 percent of those receiving cash assistance met the work requirement by the time President Obama took office. The Romney Campaign found that focus groups of lower income whites really liked these dishonest ads if they were racists as they tended to believe it is primarily blacks getting welfare and they wanted to harm them. When this dishonesty was pointed out to Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said “we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.”

Even Fox news found Ryan's convention speech to be too dishonest to stomach, saying ..."Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

Even some Republicans found Ryans lies to be too much to take, a former Bush strategist has called out Ryan for his speech full of lies:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/02/fmr-bush-strategist-calls-out-paul-ryan-over-convention-speech-lies/




September 03, 2012 3:10 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Further demonstrating the "We built it" convention theme lie two business owners the Republicans promoted as having built their businesses without government help in fact got government loans, assistance, and or grants to built their businesses:


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/businessman-republican-convention-you-didnt-build-that-loan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/sher-valenzuela-we-built-it_n_1828847.html

In fact even the convention centre where the Republicans held their lie-fest was built primarily with government money.

September 03, 2012 5:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, if you listen to Obama's entire "we built it speech" the context is actually worse.... the guy is a true socialist, pure and simple.

the choice this election is clear ... do you want an entitlement society or freedom loving society. It's that simple.

September 03, 2012 8:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJXtETlIf9c

comments ?

September 03, 2012 8:26 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

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September 03, 2012 8:39 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

If the obama quote was worse in context the Republicans would have been thrilled to death to put it in context. They didn't put it in context because bad anonymous's claim is nonsense. Instead they had to pretend Obama said "You didn't build your business" because they can't win an election with the truth. Obviously bad anonymous's claim that the comment was worse in context is a desperate attempt to put a false positive spin inexcusable Republican dishonesty.

If the Republicans had put the Obama quote in context they'd have been telling the public the government has provided service and infrastructure no business can be built without - that's the last thing they wanted to say about Obama's speech.

The choice of this election is clear...Do you want average americans to pay more so multi-millionaires can pay a fraction of the rate everyone else pays or not?

September 03, 2012 8:59 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJXtETlIf9c

comments ?".

Already addressed in my second comment.

September 03, 2012 10:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This was the first time that the mainstream US press has peeked out from under the covers to report that lies were lies"

c'mon, Jim, this is a regular tactic of the mainstream media

they're always saying all conservatives arguments are lies, all lies

they focused a little more on it this time because they had no other way to take focus off the failures of the Obama presidency

"Priya Lynn said..."

glad to see all of Priya's split personalities could express themselves today

it is remarkable how fascinated they are with politics down south

things must be preeeety dull in Saskatchewan!!

or perhaps they realize that what happens in the leading democracy in the world affects them more than anything that happens in Canada

it's so ironic that the Priyas manage to tell several flat-out lies while complaining about Republican non-lies

"it was a lie for Ryan to have claimed Obama's actions were responsible for the plant closing"

except Ryan didn't say that

he said Obama promised that, if elected, he would enact policies that would keep the plant open

the plant was still producing vehicles and could easily be brought back to full production when Obama had enacted his auto bail-out plan and controlled the majority interest in GM, since one of his policies was to nationalize GM

Obama simply had no interest in keeping his promise

when Romney became governor of Massachusetts, he brought his staff in and wrote out all the promises he made on boards in front of the room

their job, he said, was to fulfill every one

Obama couldn't care less

ask any peaceful, innocent pot smoker

September 03, 2012 10:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Another whopper of a lie the Republicans have been telling is that Obama took 700 billion out of medicare benefits to pay for Obamacare"

you're lying

they said Obama took it out of Medicare not "medicare benefits"

what Obama has done is to say he will take this money from reimbursements due to doctors and use it to fund Obamacare

if you say that isn't true, then you have to admit that Obamacare causes a deficit of 716 billion

"Adding to Ryan's dishonesty is the fact that his budget plan includes the exact same 700 billion in cuts to medicare providers yet he claims he is going to save medicare while Obama is hurting it"

Ryan is simply reducing the cost of the plan

he isn't taking the savings to use on some other program that doesn't balance

"Further lying though ommission Ryan fails to inform the convention goers that he plans to effectively abolish medicare by replacing it with a voucher system which will see almost all beneficiaries paying higher costs, many as much as $6000 per year extra"

this is a complete lie even the media "fact checkers" know this

Obama the Liar has been going around saying that Ryan's plan will cost seniors 6400 more a year

this stat actually comes from a CBO analysis of an early version of Ryan's plan

the current plan, which Ryan formulated with bipartisan input, allows seniors to stay in the current system of receive a voucher

the voucher will be pegged to the second cheapest private plan available, guaranteeing that every senior opting out of regular Medicare will have at least two options which will cost them nothing

the CBO, btw, says they are unable to analyze the cost to seniors of Ryan's current plan, but it is pretty obvious they will pay no more

Obama is lying

"Under the new policy, states can now seek a federal waiver from work-participation rules that, among other things, require welfare recipients to engage in one of 12 specific “work activities,” such as job training. But, in exchange, states must develop a plan that would provide a “more efficient or effective means to promote employment,” which may or may not include some or all of the same work activities. States also must submit an “evaluation plan” that includes “performance measures” that must be met — or the waiver could be revoked."

very nice, but they are still getting waivers from this Clinton plan that was responsible for turning welfare into a safety net instead of an entitlement

it's a slippery slope and while Obama says he will accomplish the same thing by other means, I don't think Americans have been dazzled by his management skills

Republicans are right to bring it to our attention

"The choice of this election is clear...Do you want average americans to pay more so multi-millionaires can pay a fraction of the rate everyone else pays or not?"

look, the Priyas have lied again

under tax reform proposed by Romney, everyone would pay about the same tax as now but the marginal rate would be lowered by eliminating deductions

Romney has not proposed that "average americans to pay more"

the Priyas, they are lying

"the choice this election is clear ... do you want an entitlement society or freedom loving society. It's that simple."

that's more like it

thanks, other anon

September 03, 2012 10:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the Priyas have been left speechless

makes me smile

September 04, 2012 8:53 AM  
Anonymous kerplunk!! said...

A majority of voters believe the country is worse off today than it was four years ago and that President Obama does not deserve reelection, according to a new poll for The Hill.

Fifty-two percent of likely voters say the nation is in “worse condition” now than in September 2008.

Only 31 percent of voters believe the nation is in “better condition,” while just 40 percent of voters said Obama deserves reelection.

The results highlight the depth of voter dissatisfaction confronting Obama as he desperately tries to make a case for a second term at this week’s Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C.

They also strongly suggest Democrats need to convince voters the election should be a choice between Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney, rather than a referendum on the president.

Obama’s biggest problem remains voter unhappiness with his handling of the economy.

September 04, 2012 9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"when Romney became governor of Massachusetts, he brought his staff in and wrote out all the promises he made on boards in front of the room"

And when he left the office of Governor of Massachusetts, Romney staff spent nearly $100,000 to hide records and Romney staffers wiped out records in ’06.

Why did he feel it necessary to hide all the working of those under him? Is it for the same reason he won't release his income tax returns from 2006-2009?

September 04, 2012 12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the current poll lover, Gallup: No convention bounce for Romney

That's what happens when a presidential candidate has to use the convention to shore up his base rather than to reach out to independents.

September 04, 2012 12:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And when he left the office of Governor of Massachusetts, Romney staff spent nearly $100,000 to hide records"

actually, that money was spend to buy new computers

they don't last forever

"and Romney staffers wiped out records in ’06"

actually, the staffers bought their computers

probably didn't want everyone looking through their e-mails and internet activity

so what?

"Why did he feel it necessary to hide all the working of those under him?"

Patrick's office was "bombarded" with requests for information from Romney's computer

Romney probably preferred not to do a data dump for the convenience of his political enemies' witch hunt

"Is it for the same reason he won't release his income tax returns from 2006-2009?"

I surmise that he is keeping his old and dated tax returns confidential to keep Obama from blurring the campaign with endless questions about them

this election will be about Obama not Romney

"To the current poll lover, Gallup: No convention bounce for Romney

That's what happens when a presidential candidate has to use the convention to shore up his base rather than to reach out to independents."

actually, Romney got his bounce before the election because he named his VP selection then

after Ryan joined the ticket, the race was suddenly a dead heat and that bounce has been retained

prior to that, Obama had been ahead by an amount exceeding the margins of error of most polls

September 04, 2012 2:27 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "except Ryan didn't say that he said Obama promised that, if elected, he would enact policies that would keep the plant open the plant was still producing vehicles and could easily be brought back to full production when Obama had enacted his auto bail-out plan and controlled the majority interest in GM, since one of his policies was to nationalize GM".

Ryan lied when he claimed Obama said that. What Obama said was.”I believe that if our [the american people's] government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”. If the bush government had supported the Janesville plant before its closing was announced during Bush's term on June 3 2008 or before it actually closed during Bush's term on December 2008 it would have been there. The opportunity to save the plant was Bush's and Bush's alone. To say that the plant was still producing vehicles while technically correct its correct in the same way its technically correct to say peeing in the ocean raises the water level. When 98 percent of production ceases on December 28, 2008 its extremely dishonest to say the plant was still producing vehicles and claim it was still open for business.

The other gross dishonesty of Ryan's speech was that he implied a Republican government would have kept the plant open when in fact it chose not to do so. Ryan and the Republicans had been railing for years about how the government shouldn't be choosing winners and losers in the economy, that it shold let the weak like GM die and yet criticized Obama falsely claiming he failed to do what they were adamantly against in any case. Ryan lied directly, through omission, and by implication.

I said "Another whopper of a lie the Republicans have been telling is that Obama took 700 billion out of medicare benefits to pay for Obamacare"

Bad anonymous said "you're lying they said Obama took it out of Medicare not "medicare benefits""

I'm telling the truth and Ryan's own words prove it. What Ryan said was "The biggest, coldest power play of all in Obamacare came at the expense of the elderly," Ryan said..."So, they just took it all away from Medicare, $716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama. An obligation we have to our parents and grandparents is being sacrificed, all to pay for a new entitlement we didn’t even ask for.

September 04, 2012 2:54 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Neither Obama nor his health care law literally cut funding from the Medicare program’s budget. The health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program. The total anticipated savings comes to $716 billion over the next 10 years, as determined by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The benefits for the elderly weren't cut, costs were, the elderly get the same benefits they did before contrary to Ryan's lie that they don't.

Bad anonymous said "what Obama has done is to say he will take this money from reimbursements due to doctors and use it to fund Obamacare
if you say that isn't true, then you have to admit that Obamacare causes a deficit of 716 billion".

Actually only 194 billion of the savings in Medicare will go to offsetting the cost of Obamacare, not 716 billion contrary to Ryan's lie. The rest of the costs are covered by increased efficiencies, taxes, fees on insurance providers and so on. The congressional budget office projects that Obamacare will decrease the deficit and destroying it as the Republicans plan will increase the deficit:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/105327/cbo-obamacare-deficit-medicaid-expansion-cost-revenue-exchange

September 04, 2012 2:54 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...


I said "Adding to Ryan's dishonesty is the fact that his budget plan includes the exact same 700 billion in cuts to medicare providers yet he claims he is going to save medicare while Obama is hurting it"


Bad anonymous said "Ryan is simply reducing the cost of the plan he isn't taking the savings to use on some other program that doesn't balance".

The truth is he's planning on using Medicare cuts to fund increases in defense spending and for tax cuts to the wealthy and even then it won't cover all his planned spending increases and he's told the congressional budget office that allthough he hasn't provided any details on how he's going to cover those increased cost just assume he has a way to do so. U.S. defense spending is out of control and comprises 20 percent of the overall federal budget and 50 percent of the discretionary portion. The U.S. spends more on defense than the next 20 top spending countries combined and yet Romney wants add 400 billion more to defense spending during 2012-2015 than Obama. Even the pentagon has called for large reductions to defense spending

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/26/panetta-to-outline-new-defense-spending-cuts-at-pentagon/

but the Republicans insanely can't get enough of unpaid for spending increases in defense.

September 04, 2012 2:55 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...


I said "Further lying though ommission Ryan fails to inform the convention goers that he plans to effectively abolish medicare by replacing it with a voucher system which will see almost all beneficiaries paying higher costs, many as much as $6000 per year extra"

Bad anonymous said "this is a complete lie even the media "fact checkers" know this Obama the Liar has been going around saying that Ryan's plan will cost seniors 6400 more a year this stat actually comes from a CBO analysis of an early version of Ryan's plan the current plan, which Ryan formulated with bipartisan input, allows seniors to stay in the current system of receive a voucher the voucher will be pegged to the second cheapest private plan available, guaranteeing that every senior opting out of regular Medicare will have at least two options which will cost them nothing the CBO, btw, says they are unable to analyze the cost to seniors of Ryan's current plan, but it is pretty obvious they will pay no more".

LOL, you contradicted yourself in your own response. The only detailed plan Ryan has proposed will cost seniors $6000 per year extra:

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/jun/13/tim-ryan/rep-tim-ryan-says-rep-paul-ryans-medicare-proposal/

Ryan has since floated a variety of possible changes to his plan but none of them include the details that would allow verification by the CBO of his claims of lower costs. The CBO did not say "it is pretty obvious they will pay no more", that's your line, the CBO said it can't verify Ryan's current claims because he includes no details. The Obama campaign can only go on the actual numbers provided and has said that if Ryan will provide new data they would be happy to update its numbers but Ryan has refused to do so instead relying as Romney has on all his unfunded promises by saying "We'll give the details of how we do that after we take office". Romeny and Ryan know they can't keep the promises they're making so they refuse to give any details which would show they're lying, instead hoping to bluff their way into the presidency and then spring a bunch of nasty surprises on the public.

September 04, 2012 2:56 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

I said "Under the new policy, states can now seek a federal waiver from work-participation rules that, among other things, require welfare recipients to engage in one of 12 specific “work activities,” such as job training. But, in exchange, states must develop a plan that would provide a “more efficient or effective means to promote employment,” which may or may not include some or all of the same work activities. States also must submit an “evaluation plan” that includes “performance measures” that must be met — or the waiver could be revoked."


Bad anonymous said "very nice, but they are still getting waivers from this Clinton plan that was responsible for turning welfare into a safety net instead of an entitlement it's a slippery slope and while Obama says he will accomplish the same thing by other means, I don't think Americans have been dazzled by his management skills Republicans are right to bring it to our attention".

If you understood any logic you'd know the "slippery slope" arguement is an example of a logical fallacy. It was Republican governers who asked for waivers from work participation rules, now that Obama's given the Republicans what they asked for they're ranting about how horrible his actions are. Typical republican campaign tactics, demand the Democrats do something, and then condemn them when they do; demand the Democrats not do something and then condemn them when they don't; scream that the stimulus won't create any jobs and then take stimulus money and go back to their home states and brag about all the jobs they created. Republicans are liars through and through.

Bad anonymous said "under tax reform proposed by Romney, everyone would pay about the same tax as now but the marginal rate would be lowered by eliminating deductions Romney has not proposed that "average americans to pay more"'".

That's the problem with the Romney tax plan. Like Ryan he proposes making up for the loss in revenue caused by tax cuts by closing loopholes, eliminating "deductions, exemptions, and credits". Trouble is he won't give the slightest hint of what loopholes, deductions, exemptions or credits he plans to eliminate. Once again he hopes to bluff his way into the presidency and says "We'll decide what those are after we take office - nudge nudge, wink wink". Romney's tax plan is woefully short on details so no one can verify what it will entail. The problem with Romeny's tax plan is that one mus t make all manner of assumptions about it because the details are mostly not there.He's said enough that one can infer his plan can't work given the little bit he's laid out of it. Romney's tax plan does not work under remotely plausible growth projections. It either increases middle class taxes or increases the deficit. If Romney is serious about doing neither, then he has to be unserious about his growth projections. The rich have to get almost impossibly rich to make up for the lost revenue in Romney's tax plan. Realistically, their incomes would need to be 7.7 to 11.3 percent higher than Tax Policy Center predicts to make up for the lost revenue:

http://www.businessinsider.com/romneys-tax-plan-only-works-if-income-inequality-explodes-2012-9

September 04, 2012 2:58 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Ryan's plan is more detailed and a favourite over Romney's for he right wing extremists that now control the Republican party. Under Ryan's plan he would eliminate the mortgage interest deduction which would hurt middle class and low income earners, he'd eliminate taxes on capital gains, dividend and earned interest income. This would see extremely wealthy people such as Romeny paying virtuall no taxes at all (Romney's overall tax rate would be less than 1 percent)"

http://www.rollcall.com/news/Ryan-Tax-Plan-Would-Slash-Romney-Tax-Rate-to-1-Percent-216837-1.html

An independent study on by the Tax Policy Center showed that Romney's tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Romney slammed the report claiming it was done by a "liberal" and "biased" organization. Trouble for Romney is that during the Republican primaries he praised the tax policy center when it reviewed Rick Perry's tax plan. At that time he said "Objective third party analysis showed governor Perry's plan would raise taxes on millions of American families.". The Tax Policy Center is a bipartisan joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution. It is made up of tax experts who served in the Ronald Regan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations.

Bad anonymous said "it is remarkable how fascinated Priya is with politics down south things must be preeeety dull in Saskatchewan!! or perhaps they realize that what happens in the leading democracy in the world affects them more than anything that happens in Canada".

Actually I get a kick out of schooling you on what's going on in your country. Its ironic but unsurprising that the average Canadian knows far more about the United states than the average Republican American. Things are going very well in Canada, we have full equality for gays and lesbians, free medical care for everyone and our economy is the best performing of all western democracies including the United states.

September 04, 2012 2:58 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Unlike bad anonymous I don't steal from my employer so I can comment on blogs when I'm getting paid to work.

September 04, 2012 3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes, well, all the voices in your head have shown great restraint

sounds like a lot of verbiage to cover the fact that you were caught in several lies

the web you've weaved is getting awfully tangled

September 04, 2012 3:54 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Impressive rebuttal, bad anonymous. Your level of intelligence is showing.

September 04, 2012 4:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, I think most people will agree with me

what you're saying is a bunch of gibberish

didn't you say you were too busy to comment?

September 04, 2012 4:22 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "oh, I think most people will agree with me".

LOL, of course they will, you've made such an impressive rebuttal and all I've got on my side is facts, evidence, and logic - you know all that stuff smart people like you have no time for.

Hey bad anonymous, do you ever think of repenting of your evil ways and refraining from blog trolling while you're at work - you know putting in the day's work you're paid for instead of stealing from your employer?

September 04, 2012 4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read through your stuff and, honestly, I didn't think there was anything worth rebutting.

It's all just obviously wrong.

Like a spider, your deceptions just spin around and around going nowhere.

You've yet to produce any lies told by Ryan.

This whole Dem talking point is a deception.

September 04, 2012 5:05 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Wow bad anonymous, you sure showed me - again! I'll be sure never to presume to debate an intellectual giant such as yourself again. Boy do I feel dumb! I mean, look at what I wrote and what you wrote in response. The way you took each point I made on a variety of topics and refuted it with supporting documentation all in three sentences - once again, colour me impressed!

I guess now that you've defeated me so soundly and everyone obviously knows you're right you're going to stop stealing from your employer and posting when your supposed to be working, right?

September 04, 2012 5:34 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

And for those of you who don't believe bad anonymous actually read my posts - don't you even think it! Let me assure you bad anonymous isn't the type who'd glance at a detailed response, decide he wasn't up to the task and think he'd better just hand wave all the arguments away and declare victory. No sir, that's not like bad anonymous at all - he's a genius!

September 04, 2012 5:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Wow bad anonymous, you sure showed me - again! I'll be sure never to presume to debate an intellectual giant such as yourself again."

what do you mean "again"?

you didn't offer any points of debate

let's look at an example:

you first say that Ryan will replace Medicare with a voucher plan that will force seniors to pay 6400 a year extra

but I alerted you to the fact that this 6400 comes from the CBO analysis of a completely different plan that Ryan was considering years ago

Ryan currently proposes a plan, that he devised with the collaboration of a Democratic Senator, which allows any senior who wishes to stay in the current Medicare system and that has a very plain and easy to determine cost to BENFICIARIES: nothing more

what the CBO can't determine is how much it will cost the government because it is impossible to determine how many people will fall for Dem lies and stick with traditional Medicare

but you admit all this and acknowledge that you knowingly lied and said the cost of the new program will be the same as the old because you don't have any better information

admitting you lied and then rationalizing your reason is not a debating point but instead a pathetic attempt to save face

all the other statements your other personalities made are similafr acknowledgements and rationalizations

no need to point them out because you haven't fooled anyone

"Boy do I feel dumb!"

to quote Boston, "it's more than a feeling"

September 04, 2012 6:53 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The Ryan gaffes just keep piling on. Yesterday Paul Ryan said “In 1980 under Jimmy Carter, 330,000 businesses filed for bankruptcy,” he said. “Last year, under President Obama’s failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses filed for bankruptcy.”. Ryan conflated business bankruptcies and much more numerous personal bankruptcies. Of the 331,264 bankruptcies in 1980, only 43,694 were for businesses, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute. Ryan ignored the fact that Obama inherited a disastrous economy that continued to deteriorate during much of his first year, but that since then has turned around and slowly improved.

Of the 1,410,653 total bankruptcy filings last year, 47,806 were business bankruptcies, according to the institute. And, again, the numbers are falling. In 2009, there were 60,837 business bankruptcies. In July, the latest month with complete statistics, business bankruptcies were 22 percent lower than a year earlier, and personal bankruptcies were down 11 percent.

When the Republicans won big in the 2010 elections they promised "We're going to have a relentless focus on creating jobs."

Instead they obstructed every attempt by Obama to bring job creation bills forward and rather than forwarding job bills themselves they advanced bills to keep welfare recipients out of strip houses, tried to kill the violence against women act, voted to restrict funding for the application of energy efficient lighting, debated the repeal of Obamacare for the 33rd time in 18 months which has cost taxpayers $50 million, attempted curtailing of abortion rights, attempted defunding of Planned Parenthood. attempted defunding of NPR, investigated Muslims, declared English as America's Official Language, reaffirmed "In God We Trust", attempted to eliminate financial counseling, tried to abolish the EPA, redefined rape, refused to reduce oil subsidies, revealed a "Jobs" plan that amounted to "enact Republican policies", censored democratic congressional newsletters for using the republicans own words for describing the Ryan budget, attempted to roll back financial reforms that would have prevented the Bush collapse and on and on on anything but actually creating jobs.

Republicans have done everything they can to implement their socially conservative policies while hampering the economy every chance they got. Republicans want the United States to fail so they can blame it on Obama


September 04, 2012 7:18 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...


http://republicanjobcreation.com/

September 04, 2012 7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"they obstructed every attempt by Obama to bring job creation bills forward and rather than forwarding job bills themselves they.... revealed a "Jobs" plan that amounted to "enact Republican policies","

look at that again nothing the Priyas say needs to be argued with

rather than forward bills themselves they revealed a jobs plan

here's the truth

Democrats were handed a golden opportunity in 2008 to become the dominant party for a generation

instead they found they couldn't "waste a crisis" and pushed through decades of repressed liberal agenda items

if they had focused on jobs those first two years, they'd probably be cruising to a second term where they could push through their liberal crap

if Hillary had been the nominee, she'd have been smart enough

and then the Priyas wouldn't have to sit at their computers and lie in an effort to undermine the society of a country they truly despise

get used to us, Priyas

we're here, we're clearly

not socialist

September 04, 2012 8:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

amazingly shameless

the Priyas accuse Ryan of lies and then tell lie after lie themselves

September 05, 2012 8:21 AM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Here's another one of Ryan's big lies from the Republican convention:

When it was actually the Republican's fault Ryan blamed the Obama presidency for the lowering of the U.S's credit rating from AAA saying:

"It began with a perfect Triple-A credit rating for the United States; it ends with a downgraded America."

Obviously Ryan was completely unconcerned with the truth, here's what Standard & Poors gave as the reason for lowering the U.S. credit rating:

"Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade."

S&P downgraded the U.S. because of a revised expectation that the Bush tax cuts would remain in place. They assumed this because of Republicans' unwillingness to enact any measures raising revenue, and they completely slammed House Republicans — including Paul Ryan — for doing so.

You know you've jumped the shark when you're a Republican and even Fox news thinks it can't overlook your lying anymore. Here's what Fox news said about Ryan's speech:

"to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.".

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

Republicans have doubled down on the Ryan deception that Obama cut 700 billion from medicare. They're making robocalls to seniors saying "President Obama is raiding 716 billion from medicare changing the program forever. The Romney-Ryan plan will restore Medicare funding, and protect and strengthen the program for the next generation."

The truth is Obama is not making a cut to medicare benefits, he's implementing cost saving measures and the move will have no effect on seniors. The Romney campaign not only dishonestly tries to terrorize seniors with a cost cutting move that won't affect them, Ryan and Romney rely on these cuts themselves to partially pay for tax cuts to the wealthy and defense spending increases! Is the no end to the depths Republicans will stoop to in a desperate attempt to put an end to good governance?


The Republicans know their only hope of winning relies on three things, suppressing the vote of typical Democrat constituencies such as minorities, the poor, the young, and the elderly; making big promises but giving no details about how they can be delivered to avoid either showing it can't be done or upsetting voters with the draconian measures it would take; and of course what they rely on most of all - lying.

Now obviously I could go on all day about Republican lies but bad anonymous is already whining "Didn't you say you were too busy to post?" and I can't help but feel a little sorry for him having the hopeless task of defending a party as grossly dishonest as the Republicans so I'll leave it at that and let bad anonymous try to cover up Republican lies with more of his own lies.

One more thing - Bad anonymous, deep down inside does all that lying and shirking your duties at work f'n the dog on the internet slowly grind away at your sense of self worth, make you feel at all like the immoral train wreck you are, or are you a sociopath with no conscience who isn't troubled by being completely unconcerned with right and wong?

September 05, 2012 12:36 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Meanwhile, although polls have been relatively close the vote distribution greatly favours Obama and has him with a huge electoral lead over Romney of 247 - 191.


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map

Bad anonymous is going to be doing some heavy drinking tonight!

September 05, 2012 12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Here's another one of Ryan's big lies from the Republican convention:

When it was actually the Republican's fault Ryan blamed the Obama presidency for the lowering of the U.S's credit rating from AAA"

this was Obama's fault

the Republicans offered him a deal to raise revenue along with cuts

Obama agreed and then, at the last moment, doubled down and held out for a lot more

"S&P downgraded the U.S. because of a revised expectation that the Bush tax cuts would remain in place"

actually, they will remain in place- for a long time- the same effect can be had from cutting government expenditures

S&P assumes that will never happen but they're wrong

and so is the idea that they should dictate the tax laws of our country

"They assumed this because of Republicans' unwillingness to enact any measures raising revenue,"

the government has plenty of revenue

"You know you've jumped the shark when you're a Republican and even Fox news thinks it can't overlook your lying anymore"

liberals are going into spasms of glee over the remarks of a reporter at Fox but they are undermining one of their biggest propaganda lies at the same time: that Fox News is biased

"Republicans have doubled down on the Ryan deception that Obama cut 700 billion from medicare. They're making robocalls to seniors saying "President Obama is raiding 716 billion from medicare changing the program forever. The Romney-Ryan plan will restore Medicare funding, and protect and strengthen the program for the next generation."

The truth is Obama is not making a cut to medicare benefits, he's implementing cost saving measures and the move will have no effect on seniors."

you're wrong

Medicare is a trust fund

that is what Ryan says Obama is taking from

Obama is not going to save money, he's going to spend it on Obmacare instead

and while Obama claims that he won't effect benefits, the 700 billion he takes will hasten the bankruptcy of Medicare and cause rates to be raised much faster

senior will pay those rates

Ryan's plan will save Medicare

seniors are on to this

"The Romney campaign not only dishonestly tries to terrorize seniors with a cost cutting move that won't affect them, Ryan and Romney rely on these cuts themselves to partially pay for tax cuts to the wealthy"

Romney isn't giving any tax cuts to the wealthy

"Is the no end to the depths Republicans will stoop to in a desperate attempt to put an end to good governance?"

if by "good governance" you mean governmental control of our lives then, well, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice

"The Republicans know their only hope of winning"

the election is currently a dead heat and Republican have an excellent chance of winning by focusing on Obama's record

btw, didn't you say you were too busy to post?

"right and wong?"

that's just wong spellin' there

September 05, 2012 1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Meanwhile, although polls have been relatively close the vote distribution greatly favours Obama and has him with a huge electoral lead over Romney of 247 - 191"

the swing states are as close as the national vote and the polls, as we saw the other day, are biased in favor of Dems

plus, Obama squanderd his campaign funds on hate ads this summer so he won't be able to run ads everywhere or afford the manpower necessary to get his voters to the polls

he's been checkmated

have fun watching the convention

September 05, 2012 1:24 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous whined for the second time "btw, didn't you say you were too busy to post?".

While I have to admit I take a bit of delight in seeing how much my posting of the facts bothers you and you begging me to stop I did promise out of pity to leave you alone so you can futilely attempt to lie your way out of the truth so that's what I'm doing.

In other news the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network school climate survey has been released for 2011 and shows some slight improvement in the overall climate for LBGTs and found that having a Gay-Straight Alliance, an LGBT-inclusive curriculum and anti-bullying policies which specifically addressed sexual orientation correlated with an improved school environment. The presence of teachers and other school personnel who were visibly supportive of LGBT students also resulted in higher grade point averages and lower absenteeism among LGBT students.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/09/05/48387#comment-138865

September 05, 2012 3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't remember you promising to stop posting your lies

the lies at the DNC have already started and Biden and Obama haven't even gone to bat yet:

"During her speech at the Democratic National Convention Tuesday night, first lady Michelle Obama painted her husband as a president who has created jobs like those held by her father and his grandmother, jobs they used to give their families greater opportunities.

“He brought our economy from the brink of collapse to creating jobs again -- jobs you can raise a family on, good jobs right here in the United States of America,” Obama said Tuesday night.

The only problem: that’s not true.

The unfortunate reality is that most of the jobs created under President Barack Obama’s administration pay low wages. About three-fifths of the jobs created during the economic recovery are low-wage, while most of the jobs lost during the recession paid middle-wages, according to a recent study from the National Employment Law Project. Most have been in low-paying sectors like retail, food and employment services."

September 05, 2012 5:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

more evidence that the Priyas are right when they say that Fox News is the most objective cable news station on the globe:

"Fox News' Shep Smith was his usual self on Tuesday night as he covered the 2012 Democratic National Convention live from Charlotte, North Carolina.

During a conversation with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Smith defended President Obama's administration from the criticism that the country is not better off than it was four years ago, since the economy has not fully recovered and unemployment statistics remain high.

Smith asked, "Isn't it possible to say, 'We are better off?'" He added, "I mean you could make that argument and make it pretty succinctly, couldn't you? I mean we were in a pretty bad free fall. I remember a day when we thought that the whole economy of the world was going to collapse and a lot has been done to improve things, hasn't it?"

September 05, 2012 6:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's hard to know what to say here:

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- An unscripted moment at the Democratic National Convention here Wednesday resulted in an embarrassing moment for the party that is certain to be used in Republican television ads over the next two months.

After they took heat for omitting any reference to "God" in their platform, Democrats tried to add the language back into their party platform with a voice vote.

But when Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the convention chairman, came to the podium to ask for the approval of the delegates, those who shouted opposition to the language change were as loud, if not louder, than those who voiced their support.

Villaraigosa, in what quickly became an awkward moment, asked for the voice vote three times in all. After the second time, he paused for several seconds and looked behind him for guidance from a convention staffer -- possibly a parliamentarian -- before turning back and asking for a third vote.

Even though the no's were again as loud if not louder than the aye's on the third vote, Villaraigosa said he had determined that two thirds of those present had voted in favor. Boos filled the arena in response."

September 05, 2012 8:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama wanted to fill the Panthers' stadium with supporters for his speech tomorrow night but were afraid there would be too many empty seats:

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. — The Democratic National Convention hit another big bump Wednesday when officials scuttled plans for President Barack Obama to deliver his acceptance speech in a large, open-air stadium.

The decision to move the speech from Bank of America Stadium to the smaller indoor arena where the first two days of the convention is taking place immediately sparked a round of second-guessing about why the campaign selected the large, outdoor venue in the first place. The last-minute reshuffle also gave the Republicans fresh ammunition to claim that voters have lost enthusiasm for their president.

Voiding the 65,000 speech tickets handed out to area residents prompted a sharply negative reaction from some prominent voices in this state, which Obama carried in 2008 and is battling to put in his column again in November."

is there any easy thing that Obama can't manage to blow?

September 05, 2012 8:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is amazing watching the Republicans try to make a case that the DNC is not a spectacular success.

September 05, 2012 9:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's spectacularly succeeded in reminding Americans how out-of touch Dems are

they accuse Republicans of a war on women and then tonight they trot out of the guy who forever made sure kids would have to learn about sexual harassment whenever they studied the Presidents

how about a commercial with Monica Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers?

September 05, 2012 9:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ironic that Obama starts up a canard about Republicans waging a war on women and, in a poll out today, women voters are moving away from Obama - rapidly:

"Barack Obama approaches his nomination for a second term with the lowest pre-convention personal popularity of an incumbent president in ABC News/Washington Post polls since the 1980s. He’s also at his lowest of the year among registered voters, with trouble among women.

Just 47 percent of registered voters in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll see Obama favorably overall, down 7 percentage points from his recent peak in April, while 49 percent rate him unfavorably. He’s numerically underwater in this group for the first time since February.

The decline has occurred entirely among women registered voters – from 57-39 percent favorable-unfavorable in April to a numerically negative 46-50 percent now. That’s Obama’s lowest score among women voters – a focus of recent political positioning – in ABC/Post polls since he took office. Unusually, his rating among men, 50-47 percent favorable-unfavorable, is numerically better than it is among women, albeit not by a significant margin.

The result is not the only sign of the work ahead for Obama among women. In a separate ABC/Post poll last week, he led Romney among women registered voters in vote preference by just 6 points, 49-43 percent. In 2008, Obama won women by 13 points, 56-43 percent."

September 06, 2012 5:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charlotte is turning into the most disastrous Dem event since Chicago 68

I'm getting a great big smirk on my face!

September 06, 2012 8:13 AM  
Anonymous Obama thinks we all belong to the government said...

When President Barack Obama asked stoners Harold & Kumar to help with his message, the inevitable was bound to happen.

And it did, dude.

The first two days at the Democratic National Convention have been a disaster of biblical proportions as far as political messaging. There was that squabble over whether the party platform should even mention God, and include a reference to Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

And there was also the uproar on the right from that convention video in which the DNC introduced a new Orwellian slogan:

"Government is the only thing that we all belong to."

It didn't get better. Later Wednesday, just after former president and multitasker Bill Clinton delivered his big speech to rekindle visions of Democratic glory days, a rabbi was scheduled to come onstage. That's the rabbi of Clinton's former Oval Office intern and sex partner Monica Lewinsky, and he was invited to give the closing benediction.

Who spilled the bong water at the DNC? If this isn't a messaging disaster caused by post-traumatic bowl syndrome, what is?

It makes you wonder what might come next. Obama naming Kim Kardashian as his chief of protocol?

The stems and seeds of this disaster were planted when the Obama campaign, desperate to rekindle the cool factor with younger voters, appeared in a commercial with actors who play the noted Hollywood potheads in the movies. Obama was promoting a live-stream event of his convention address Thursday night. In the commercial, the one thing I couldn't spot on Harold & Kumar's iconic coffee table was their bong.

And soon after that commercial came the wrestling over God in the platform.

This issue was highlighted in a confrontation between U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, the Illinois Democrat and consummate political survivor, and Fox News' Bret Baier, who asked Durbin why the Democrats had dropped "God" from their platform this year.

"God is not a franchise of the Republican Party," said Durbin, who accused Baier's network of trying to suggest that the Democrats are godless. Baier said he was just asking why the almighty wasn't there. The Democrats got similar blowback over leaving Jerusalem out of the platform.

On Wednesday, the Democrats finally found religion — and the capital of Israel. They put both back into the platform, but not before a messy scene on the convention floor, with the convention chairman, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, pretending that the ayes had it while delegates yelled nay at him.

Many delegates were so outraged that they unleashed a chorus of boos, leaving them open to charges that they had booed God.

But that was the noise. What was nearly as bad was the lack of noise after the DNC showed an odd video on Tuesday night, the one the DNC is now formally disavowing.

Just a few weeks ago, American small-business owners were punched in the gut by Obama's "You didn't build that" comment, reminding them that the feds had a hand in their success and on their throats. And now comes the "Government is the only thing that we all belong to" line, which reminds everyone where America seems to be going.

More government, and more belonging.

That video from the Charlotte in 2012 committee — representing the host city of the convention — showed pleasant scenes of a man on a horse, bicyclists riding free (but helmeted) and a school bus rolling past an American flag.

"We are committed to all people," the video's narrator said. "We do believe you can use government in a good way. Government is the only thing that we all belong to. We're in different churches, different clubs, but we're together as a part of our city or our county or our state. And our nation."

Government is the only thing that we all belong to?

September 06, 2012 8:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

President Bush is the man whose policies and misleadership created the financial cliff the nation almost fell off of. Read the full text of Bush's 2012 RNC speech here.

President Clinton's DNC speech pointed out many truths, a few are included below. Read the full text of Clinton's 2012 DNC speech here.

"...The Republican narrative is that all of us who amount to anything are completely self-made. One of our greatest Democratic Chairmen, Bob Strauss, used to say that every politician wants you to believe he was born in a log cabin he built himself, but it ain't so.

We Democrats think the country works better with a strong middle class, real opportunities for poor people to work their way into it and a relentless focus on the future, with business and government working together to promote growth and broadly shared prosperity. We think "we're all in this together" is a better philosophy than "you're on your own."

Who's right? Well since 1961, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. In those 52 years, our economy produced 66 million private sector jobs. What's the jobs score? Republicans 24 million, Democrats 42 million!...

...here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, Congressional Republicans zero...

...more than more than 500,000 manufacturing jobs have been created under President Obama – the first time manufacturing jobs have increased since the 1990s.

The auto industry restructuring worked. It saved more than a million jobs, not just at GM, Chrysler and their dealerships, but in auto parts manufacturing all over the country. That's why even auto-makers that weren't part of the deal supported it. They needed to save the suppliers too. Like I said, we're all in this together.

Now there are 250,000 more people working in the auto industry than the day the companies were restructured. Governor Romney opposed the plan to save GM and Chrysler. So here's another jobs score: Obama two hundred and fifty thousand, Romney, zero....

...Though I often disagree with Republicans, I never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate President Obama and the Democrats....

...When times are tough, constant conflict may be good politics but in the real world, cooperation works better. After all, nobody's right all the time, and a broken clock is right twice a day. All of us are destined to live our lives between those two extremes. Unfortunately, the faction that now dominates the Republican Party doesn't see it that way. They think government is the enemy, and compromise is weakness.

One of the main reasons America should re-elect President Obama is that he is still committed to cooperation....

...Are we where we want to be? No. Is the President satisfied? No. Are we better off than we were when he took office, with an economy in free fall, losing 750,000 jobs a month. The answer is YES.

I understand the challenge we face. I know many Americans are still angry and frustrated with the economy. Though employment is growing, banks are beginning to lend and even housing prices are picking up a bit, too many people don't feel it.

I experienced the same thing in 1994 and early 1995. Our policies were working and the economy was growing but most people didn't feel it yet. By 1996, the economy was roaring, halfway through the longest peacetime expansion in American history.

President Obama started with a much weaker economy than I did. No President – not me or any of my predecessors could have repaired all the damage in just four years. But conditions are improving and if you'll renew the President's contract you will feel it.

I believe that with all my heart..."

September 06, 2012 9:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Repaired link to full text of President Bush's RNC speech

September 06, 2012 9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clinton's good- and as Democrats go, reasonable-

but the truth is, he's doing his duty and remaining loyal to his party here

but the other truth is, he'd have never governed like Obama has

and the truth is, he knows the country would have been better off with some other Democrat in the last four years

and the truth is, you all know it as well

time for the new lie monitoring:

"...here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, Congressional Republicans zero..."

this is the number if you start in January 2011, when the Repubs took the House

if you count Obama's entire term so far, he has the worst net jobs record of any President since the Depression

it's negative

"One of the main reasons America should re-elect President Obama is that he is still committed to cooperation...."

the biggest lie told at either convention so far

September 06, 2012 10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, Congressional Republicans zero..."

this is the number if you start in January 2011, when the Repubs took the House


Jan 2011 is also when 2 years of Obama's policies to correct the errors of George W. Bush had been in effect. Tell us, what GOP jobs bill has the House gotten through Congress that created a single one of those 4.5 million jobs?

The bulk of those jobs, 3.3 million of them to be precise, came from Obama's stimulus spending according to CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf's testimony before Congress in July 2012.

Obama's was a stimulus package the GOP opposed because they think fat cats with big fat tax cuts create jobs. No, they don't create jobs with their massive income tax cuts. In fact, those like the Romney seem store their massive tax cuts in Swiss bank accounts, though I could be wrong. Until he releases additional years of his income tax returns, we won't know if he stored them in Swiss bank accounts or in the Cayman Islands instead.

Here are some of the telling facts about job creation in the US that President Clinton reminded us of last night:

"Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. In those 52 years, our economy produced 66 million private sector jobs. What's the jobs score? Republicans 24 million, Democrats 42 million!"

"more than 500,000 manufacturing jobs have been created under President Obama – the first time manufacturing jobs have increased since the 1990s."

"The auto industry restructuring worked. It saved more than a million jobs, not just at GM, Chrysler and their dealerships, but in auto parts manufacturing all over the country."

"Now there are 250,000 more people working in the auto industry than the day the companies were restructured. Governor Romney opposed the plan to save GM and Chrysler. So here's another jobs score: Obama two hundred and fifty thousand, Romney, zero."


Just yesterday, Paul Ryan himself was singing Clinton's praises.

Tell us Anon, what praises is Ryan singing about President Bush and the Bush economy-busting policies Ryan himself voted for -- two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, unfunded Medicare reform, which created the donut hole every poor and middle class senior fell into until ObamaCares repaired it?

September 06, 2012 12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get your head out of the sand. You missed this part of the DNC's PLATFORM.

"Faith. Faith has always been a central part of the American story, and it has been a driving force of progress and justice throughout our history. We know that our nation, our communities, and our lives are made vastly stronger and richer by faith and the countless acts of justice and mercy it inspires. Faith-based organizations will always be critical allies in meeting the challenges that face our nation and our world - from domestic and global poverty, to climate change and human trafficking. People of faith and religious organizations do amazing work in communities across this country and the world, and we believe in lifting up and valuing that good work, and finding ways to support it where possible. We believe in constitutionally sound, evidence-based partnerships with faith-based and other non-profit organizations to serve those in need and advance our shared interests. There is no conflict between supporting faith-based institutions and respecting our Constitution, and a full commitment to both principles is essential for the continued flourishing of both faith and country. [DNC National Platform, 2012]"

Meawhile Paul Ryan Hit's 'God" Absence From DNC Platform

..."“It’s not in keeping with our founding documents, our founding vision, but I guess you would have to ask the Obama administration why they purged all this language from their platform,” Ryan said on Fox News."...

This is the same Paul Ryan who, until he flip-flopped to hide his true and deeply held views said:

"...“[T]he reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand,” Ryan said in a 2005 speech to the Rand-devoted Atlas Society.

“I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are,” he told the group, adding, “It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff.”

In fact, two years earlier Ryan told the Weekly Standard, “I give out ‘Atlas Shrugged’ as Christmas presents.”

Rand, [was] “an atheist with a tartly Darwinian world view,..."
who was adamantly pro-choice.

Ayn Rand Institute: Pro-Choice is Pro-Life: The Philosophical Basis of a Woman's Right to Abortion

September 06, 2012 2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"after Ryan joined the ticket, the race was suddenly a dead heat and that bounce has been retained"

Continued evidence Anon lives in some alternate universe.

Pro-Romney groups go dark in Michigan

"Sept. 6, 2012

Conservative groups backing Mitt Romney have stopped airing ads in Michigan, an indication that Republicans might see the state as a likely win for President Obama in November.

Pro-Romney groups are pulling money out of Michigan, the state where Romney was raised and his father was governor..."

September 06, 2012 2:12 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The next several posts I'm making are all part of the same comment. For continuity temporarily skip any intervening posts by others.

I said "When the Republicans won big in the 2010 elections they promised "We're going to have a relentless focus on creating jobs." Instead they obstructed every attempt by Obama to bring job creation bills forward and rather than forwarding job bills themselves they advanced bills to keep welfare recipients out of strip houses, tried to kill the violence against women act, voted to restrict funding for the application of energy efficient lighting, debated the repeal of Obamacare for the 33rd time in 18 months which has cost taxpayers $50 million, attempted curtailing of abortion rights, attempted defunding of Planned Parenthood. attempted defunding of NPR, investigated Muslims, declared English as America's Official Language, reaffirmed "In God We Trust", attempted to eliminate financial counseling, tried to abolish the EPA, redefined rape, refused to reduce oil subsidies, revealed a "Jobs" plan that amounted to "enact Republican policies", censored democratic congressional newsletters for using the republicans own words for describing the Ryan budget, attempted to roll back financial reforms that would have prevented the Bush collapse and on and on on anything but actually creating jobs."

Bad anonymous partially quoted me and said ""they obstructed every attempt by Obama to bring job creation bills forward and rather than forwarding job bills themselves they.... revealed a "Jobs" plan that amounted to "enact Republican policies"," look at that again nothing the Priyas say needs to be argued with rather than forward bills themselves they revealed a jobs plan".

Nice try. Their "job" plan didn't include any ways to create a single job, instead it was "Lower taxes on the rich and cut entitlement programs and it'll create jobs.". This idiotic idea that lowering taxes will increase revenue and create jobs has been proven wrong over and over. Look at what happened when Clinton was in office. The top tax rate was 39.6% and 20.8 million jobs were created. Under Bush the top tax rate was lowered to 35% and 663,000 jobs were lost. When Clinton left office there was a $236 billion surplus. When Bush left office there was a 1.2 trillion deficit. Now, if bad anonymous was smart enough to figure it out (and he's not) he'd retort that since Obama took office the debt has risen by close to 5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by Obama and how much was caused by the financial crisis and the continuation of Bush policies? When we look at policies and the cost of legislation passed by Obama and Bush the cost of Bush policies from 2001-2009 is 5.1 trillion and the cost of Obama policies is 983 billion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html


What’s also important, but not evident, on this chart is that Obama’s major expenses were temporary, the stimulus is over now, while Bush’s were, effectively, recurring. The Bush tax cuts didn’t just lower revenue for 10 years. It’s clear now that they lowered it indefinitely, which means the above chart is understating their true cost. Similarly, the Medicare drug benefit is costing money on perpetuity, not just for two or three years. The cost of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were similarly inherited by Obama from Bush. And Boehner, Ryan and others voted for these laws and, in some cases, helped to craft and pass them. A Romney spokesman has said Romney would be Bush-like, just more of it. Obviously the last thing the U.S. needs is a continuation and intensification of the failed Bush presidency and its policies.

September 06, 2012 3:09 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

As we saw earlier, Ryan blamed the reduction in the U.S. credit rating from triple A on Obama when it was really the Republicans fault. Not surprisingly bad anonymous wants to continue pushing this lie and said "this was Obama's fault the Republicans offered him a deal to raise revenue along with cuts Obama agreed and then, at the last moment, doubled down and held out for a lot more". Here's the true story:


http://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-book-debt-deal-collapse-led-pure-151043612.html


Obama and Boehner had worked out a tentative agreement on raising the debt ceiling that included increasing revenues. Obama then raised the possibility of adding further revenue to the deal. Boehner ran off in a huff and refused to return Obama's phone calls and eventually returned and said that not only would he not go for adding further revenue, the tentative deal they had was now off the table. Boehner had been pragmatic but he didn't have the backing of his party to raise revenues and he got cold feet because he knew the Republicans would never passed the original deal. He needed an excuse to get out of it and used Obama's raising the possibility of more revenues as that excuse.

Virtually every elected Republican and those running for office has signed Grover Norquist's pledge to never raise taxes under any circumstances. Boehner was initially prepared to lose his job over that but he knew the other Republicans wouldn't be. Norquist in essence controls the tax policy of the Republican party and if any Republican breaks his pledge he mounts a well financed campaign against them to get them out of office and its worked virtually every time. Republicans are in essence locked into a policy of never raising taxes no matter how bad the deficit gets and that's why Standard & Poors blamed the Republicans when it lowered the U.S.'s AAA credit rating. As S&P said:

"Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade."

September 06, 2012 3:10 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Boehner may have been initially willing to raise revenues, but he was the only Republican willing to do so, any deal like that Boehner brought the Republicans would have been furiously voted down and Boehner unceremoniously removed from his position. Bad anonymous countered "the government has plenty of revenue". but as we've seen from the Bush and clinton presidencies, that's obviously not true. Further the bipartisan Congressional Budget office also agrees the government has insufficient revenues. In a statement they said "If we continue our current policies, debt will soar, approaching 200 percent of gross domestic product by 2036. On the other hand, if we follow current law, debt will never crack 90 percent. And the biggest difference by far between these two alternatives is revenue,".:


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/9588587-cbo-revenue-increase-essential-to-solving-us-debt-problems


On the issue of Medicare I earlier stated "Republicans have doubled down on the Ryan deception that Obama cut 700 billion from medicare. They're making robocalls to seniors saying "President Obama is raiding 716 billion from medicare changing the program forever.". The truth is Obama is not making a cut to medicare benefits, he's implementing cost saving measures and the move will have no effect on seniors."

Bad anonymous quoted me saying that but excluded what followed because it interfered with the lie he would subsequently tell. Here's what he dishonestly excluded: "The Romney campaign not only dishonestly tries to terrorize seniors with a cost cutting move that won't affect them, Ryan and Romney rely on these cuts themselves to partially pay for tax cuts to the wealthy and defense spending increases!".


Deciding he shouldn't have paritally admitted the truth earlier, Bad anonymous replied this time "you're wrong Medicare is a trust fund that is what Ryan says Obama is taking from Obama is not going to save money, he's going to spend it on Obmacare instead and while Obama claims that he won't effect benefits, the 700 billion he takes will hasten the bankruptcy of Medicare and cause rates to be raised much faster senior will pay those rates Ryan's plan will save Medicare".

September 06, 2012 3:11 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

You see earlier Bad anonymous admitted the Ryan budget plan relied on the exact same 716 billion in cost cutting measures Ryan condemned the president for. In a more honest moment at SEPTEMBER 04, 2012 8:53 AM bad anonymous in a half-truth said "Ryan is simply reducing the cost of the [medicare] plan he isn't taking the savings to use on some other program that doesn't balance". That's what happens when you're a chronic liar like bad anonymous - you can't keep your lies straight.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/politics/costs-seen-in-romneys-medicare-savings-plan.html?pagewanted=all


The truth is Ryan makes those same medicare cost cuts to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy and defense spending increases. Now Bad anonymous will say there are no tax cuts to the wealthy under Romney/Ryan's plan but as we saw earlier that's not the truth:

An independent study on by the Tax Policy Center showed that Romney's tax plan would raise taxes on 95% of Americans to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Under the Ryan plan people like Romney would pay virtually no tax at all. Romney slammed the report claiming it was done by a "liberal" and "biased" organization. Trouble for Romney is that during the Republican primaries he praised the tax policy center when it reviewed Rick Perry's tax plan. At that time he said "Objective third party analysis showed governor Perry's plan would raise taxes on millions of American families.". The Tax Policy Center is a bipartisan joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution. It is made up of tax experts who served in the Ronald Regan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/romney-campaign-praised-tax-policy-center-that-they-now-call-biased-and-liberal/

September 06, 2012 3:11 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Contrary to Ryan's and Bad anonymous's lie that Obama takes the entire $716 billion Medicare cost savings to pay for ObamaCare only $194 billion of the savings in Medicare will go to offsetting the cost of Obamacare. The rest of the costs are covered by increased efficiencies, taxes, fees on insurance providers and so on. The congressional budget office projects that Obamacare will decrease the deficit and destroying it as the Republicans plan will increase the deficit:


http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/105327/cbo-obamacare-deficit-medicaid-expansion-cost-revenue-exchange

Further, contrary to bad anonymous's claim that the $716 billion in Obama cost cuts to Medicare (the same cost cuts Ryan's plan makes) will hasten the bankruptcy of medicare, it will actually extend the solvency of the program by eight years:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/politics/costs-seen-in-romneys-medicare-savings-plan.html?pagewanted=all

Contrary to bad anonymous's claim that Ryan's plan will save medicare, the truth is that both Republicans and bad anonymous want to end Medicare. As bad anonymous said earlier: "the choice this election is clear ... do you want an entitlement society or freedom loving society. It's that simple.". The overarching Republican policy that bad anonymous supports is that people shouldn't rely on the government for money (entitlement programs), they should pay it themselves. Republicans have long expressed a desire to do away with entitlement programs and Medicare is an entitlement program. Trouble for republicans is that Medicare is popular so they are afraid to oppose it openly because of the backlash they would experience. The plan instead is to place a limit on benefits with a voucher system that would see seniors making up the difference from their own pockets between what the voucher pays and what they can buy private insurance for in the open marketplace. The open marketplace is supposed to reduce costs but there are good reasons to believe that will not happen (see link) not the least of which is that 30% of seniors are cognitively impaired and that places an onerous burden on them to navigate a complicated marketplace. Studies of the Medicare drug benefit, which already has a similar competition scheme, suggest that seniors have generally not chosen the plans that best match their needs.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106298/guide-to-medicare-debate-romney-ryan-obama-voucher-premium-support

September 06, 2012 3:12 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The only detailed plan for this Romney/Ryan medicare voucher plan that's been released shows seniors would pay on average $6400 more per year:

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/jun/13/tim-ryan/rep-tim-ryan-says-rep-paul-ryans-medicare-proposal/

Romney and Ryan have since floated a variety of vague plans that they say would reduce the seniors out of pocket costs from $6400 a year but none of the proposals include details which would demonstrate how this can be done and what details have been provided suggest it either can't be done or there would be draconian measures required to put it in place:.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106298/guide-to-medicare-debate-romney-ryan-obama-voucher-premium-support

Once again, as bad anonymous says the Republican policy is "the choice this election is clear ... do you want an entitlement society or freedom loving society. It's that simple". Medicare is an entitlement program and the core ideology of the Republican party is to eliminate all entitlement programs" They know it would be political suicide to do this up front so they hope to abolish medicare and replace it with a voucher system that will cap benefits by proposing a vague plan with big promises knowing this will increase costs to seniors and increase dissatisfaction with the plan and once seniors become sufficiently dissatisfied with the plan it will make it easier to cut it in its entirety.

September 06, 2012 3:13 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The fact is that the Obama presidency has set the U.S. on the path back from the disastrous economic results of the Bush presidency although there is still more improvement to be done. Just look at the job creation chart from the Bush presidency through the Obama presidency:

http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord

The job losses mounted during the last year of the Bush presidency as his disasterous policies took full effect. Shortly after President Obama took office and passed the stimulus bill and saved the American auto industry the job losses started decreasing, reversed and there's been steady job growth throught Obama's term. Contrast this to Mitt Romney who when he was governor of Massachusetts was 47th out of 50 states in job creation. As a Romney spokesman said Romney would be Bush-like, just more of it. Obviously the last thing the U.S. needs is more of the failed policies of George Bush.





September 06, 2012 3:13 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Now assuming Bad anonymous posts his usual lies to "refute" me, just refer back to the above posts for the truth. All the facts are backed up by links to the sources.

September 06, 2012 3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just a hint to the Priyas

if it's called barackobama.com, it's probably biased

September 06, 2012 3:50 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The exact same charts can be found elsewhere showing the exact same thing. Just because lying comes natural to Republicans doesn't mean Democrats are doing it.

September 06, 2012 4:07 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701-1&va=obama+job+creation+chart

September 06, 2012 4:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The exact same charts can be found elsewhere showing the exact same thing."

so, why are you linking to a biased site then?

say, you're not addled, are you?

September 06, 2012 4:29 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

I provided several alternative sources of the same info just before you comment moron.

Meanwhile

What Republicans had hoped to prevent at all costs:

"Right now, things are looking up for Obama: A pair of fresh reports Thursday suggests that the national jobs statistics for August are likely to turn out brighter than forecast.

Automatic Data Processing, a payroll processing firm that tracks employment, said that by its measure, private-sector employers added 201,000 jobs last month – the biggest gain in five months."


http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-economy-jobs-020120906,0,1643009.story

September 06, 2012 4:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"if it's called barackobama.com, it's probably biased"

And if it's called Bloomberg.com, is that biased too?

Bloomberg.com reports: Private Jobs Increase More With Democrats in White House

"During an election-year clash over which U.S. political party has the best prescription for curing unemployment, Democrats can argue that almost two-thirds of private-sector job growth in the past five decades came with them in the White House.

The BGOV Barometer shows that since Democrat John F. Kennedy took office in January 1961, non-government payrolls in the U.S. swelled by almost 42 million jobs under Democrats, compared with 24 million for Republican presidents, according to Labor Department figures.

Democrats hold the edge though they occupied the Oval Office for 23 years since Kennedy’s inauguration, compared with 28 for the Republicans. Through April, Democratic presidents accounted for an average of 150,000 additional private-sector paychecks per month over that period, more than double the 71,000 average for Republicans..."

September 06, 2012 5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And how about the Wall Street Journal, are they biased too?

Stocks Hit a High Point

"Updated September 6, 2012, 4:25 p.m. ET

Stocks marched to their highest level in years, fueled by the promise of ***stimulus*** from Europe's top bankers and hints of a strengthening U.S. economy.

The Standard & Poor's 500-stock index soared 28.68 points, or 2%, to 1432.12, its highest point since January 2008. The Nasdaq Composite gained 66.54 points, or 2.2%, to close at 3135.81, its highest level in more than a decade, reaching a level not seen since the technology bubble of 2000. The Dow climbed 244.52 points, or 1.9%, to 13292, its highest point since December 2007....

...There was good news in the U.S. as well. The Institute for Supply Management reported that economic activity in the service sector rose in August from the previous month. The measure had been expected to decline. And reports on the labor market from Automatic Data Processing and the Labor Department were both much better than expected.

On the schedule for next week is a meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee, at which the central bank could decide on further stimulus measures for the U.S. economy. The German high court is also expected to rule on whether Germany can participate in a European rescue fund. U.S. stocks have rallied in recent months on hopes for further central-bank action world-wide, which has pushed them to levels more than double their 2009 lows..."

September 06, 2012 5:30 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

More good news. The fourth credible poll in the past eight months shows an outright majority of Americans in favor of gay marriage.

As well, current projections show Obama with an electoral vote of 311.2 and Romney with 226.8.

The probability of Obama winning is 76.3% up 5.9% since Aug. 29 and the probability of Romney winning is 23.7% down 5.9% since Aug. 29.


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

September 06, 2012 7:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

if you look at the this chart, you will see that for the first three years, January 2009 through January 2012, Obama is the first President since Herbert Hoover to have net negative job creation

this whole sad argument that Obama has a stellar jobs record is the biggest lie yet

neither bloomberg or wall street journal said that

this long ago became monotonous but let's go over a few blatant lies by the Priyas one more time:

"The only detailed plan for this Romney/Ryan medicare voucher plan that's been released shows seniors would pay on average $6400 more per year"

that's not the plan being proposed so this statement is relevant to nothing

"Romney and Ryan have since floated a variety of vague plans that they say would reduce the seniors out of pocket costs from $6400 a year but none of the proposals include details which would demonstrate how this can be done"

actually, Ryan's current plan for Medicare is very specific and won't cost any more, and considerably less than, medicare will without reform

listen closely

the plan won't take effect for ten years

so anyone 55 and older will never be affected

preeeety specific!!

and for those lucky enough to be less than 55?

they can stay in Medicare as is

or they can choose to buy private insurance with a voucher from the government

the amount of the voucher?

the cost of the second lowest private insurance company that provides benefits equivalent to Medicare

so all Medicare recipients will have at least two choices that will cost them NOTHING

of course the only choices liberals think america should have is whether to kill unborn babies and whther to be gay

this proposal would use private enterprise to reduce costs and keep medicare from becoming bankrupt

Obama, on the other hand, takes over 700 billion from the Medicare trust fund and uses it to patch the deficit in Obamacare

this will first increase premiums and then bankrupt medicare, effectively removing it as a component of our safety net

and all because Obama wants to win an election

even mainstream media talking heads agree that Medicare will have to be reformed to survive

and Obama wants to leave everything just as is

the more seniors hear, the more they move to RR


September 06, 2012 7:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"An independent study on by the Tax Policy Center showed that Romney's tax plan would raise taxes on 95% of Americans to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy."

the TPC study uses assumptions without any basis

it assumes Romney won't eliminate certain deductions

it even lists these assumptions in its appendix

Romney's plan leaves taxes at the level for all

it just reduces the marginal rate

"Under the Ryan plan people like Romney would pay virtually no tax at all."

a baseless lie

September 06, 2012 8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as Obama's campaign continues to collapse, liberals are becoming dangerously frustrated:

"Julia Rodriguez, a Democratic delegate from New York, is reportedly under investigation by the Secret Service after she told a reporter at the Democratic National Convention that she would like to "kill" GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

In the video, captured by conservative website the Blaze, Rodriguez explains that she was born in Puerto Rico, but currently lives in the Bronx. Responding to a question from a reporter, Rodriguez goes on to say that she believes "Romney will destroy this country" and that she "would like to kill him" if she sees him.

Secret Service spokesman George Ogilvie told the Daily Caller that they were "aware of it" and "taking the appropriate steps.”

ABC News has since confirmed the Secret Service's involvement in the incident.

ABC News notes that Rodriguez appears on a list of New York state Democratic delegates, and that the Associated Press photographed her on Wednesday."

September 06, 2012 8:13 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Once again bad anonymous has chosen to leave the details out of a complicated issue and spew lies. I'll deal with it in specifics with supporting documentation:

Bad anonymous said "if you look at the this chart, you will see that for the first three years, January 2009 through January 2012, Obama is the first President since Herbert Hoover to have net negative job creation".

The only reason it was negative is that Obama inherited an economy that George Bush had destroyed. It took some time to turn around the mess Bush made. As you can see from the chart below near the end of Bush's term the economy had crashed and a huge number of jobs were lost. Shortly after President Obama took office and passed the stimulus bill and saved the American auto industry the job losses started decreasing, reversed and there's been steady job growth throughout the rest of Obama's term. If you look at the period of time after Obama's policies had a chance to take effect (later in 2009) you see the net job creation was positive. Obama can't help the mess George Bush gave him, it took several months to turn around Bush's mess and since then there's been 29 months of postive job creation.

http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord

I said "The only detailed plan for this Romney/Ryan medicare voucher plan that's been released shows seniors would pay on average $6400 more per year"


Bad anonymous replied "that's not the plan being proposed so this statement is relevant to nothing".


My reply then still applies now: "Romney and Ryan have since floated a variety of vague plans that they say would reduce the seniors out of pocket costs from $6400 a year but none of the proposals include details which would demonstrate how this can be done". The only credible plan they've put forward that has enough details to allow a projection shows seniors would pay $6400 more a year. Fact checkers can only go on what Romney and Ryan have given them and Romney and Ryan have been deliberately non-specific because the want to prevent the experts from calculating how their latest "plans" would really come out.


Bad anonymous said "actually, Ryan's current plan for Medicare is very specific and won't cost any more, and considerably less than, medicare will without reform".

September 06, 2012 9:48 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

There's no truth to that, a detailed analysis is impossible because Romney has left out most of the details that would determine if its feasible or not: It’s entirely possible that Ryan’s proposal could end the Medicare guarantee - and that, if implemented, some seniors might not be able to get comprehensive insurance. Ryan and Mitt Romney have called for the most profound, radical changes in the program’s history. But rather than clarifying the differences between their position on Medicare and President Obama’s, they’ve done their best to obscure them. Romney and Ryan have also been less specific than you might have heard. That’s particularly true for Romney, whose “proposal” consists of a fact sheet, plus a few speeches, statements, and op-eds. This allows them to escape responsibility for the inevitable trade-offs that their vision, like every effort to reform Medicare, would require. And it gives them a political advantage over President Obama, who must defend reforms of Medicare in the Affordable Care Act and his latest budget - right down to the last legislative clause and dollar figure.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106298/guide-to-medicare-debate-romney-ryan-obama-voucher-premium-support


Bad anonymous said "listen closely the plan won't take effect for ten years so anyone 55 and older will never be affected preeeety specific!!"

That's not at all specific, its a gimmick to trick today's seniors into voting for Romney because it won't affect them and then to pass the pain onto future seniors once Republicans are in power and have put their stealth program in place.


Bad anonymous said "and for those lucky enough to be less than 55? they can stay in Medicare as is or they can choose to buy private insurance with a voucher from the government the amount of the voucher? the cost of the second lowest private insurance company that provides benefits equivalent to Medicare so all Medicare recipients will have at least two choices that will cost them NOTHING".

I'm well familiar with that. The problem is Romney and Ryan have said all private plans would have to provide coverage as good as what traditional Medicare provides, but they have not indicated whether they are prepared to endorse the steps necessary to make that promise a reality. Conservatives have criticized Obama for the Medicare cost cutting measures he's put in place (the same ones Ryan relies on!) saying they will reduce payments to service providers and they'll refuse to take on new patients. Trouble is the same thing can happen if private insurance plans pay service providers less which is likely given the effects of competition. The evidence that competition can reduce Medicare costs more quickly, or with fewer repercussions, is thin at best. Among other things, Medicare has enormous economies of scale, including very low overhead. Current projections suggest that, as a result of the Obamacare changes, the cost of Medicare will grow more slowly than the cost of private insurance on a per capita basis for the next decade. If the Obamacare's payment reforms induce the health care industry to deliver care more efficient, and there are early, though very limited, signs that might be happening, the Obama medicare cost savings should be even larger than the official projections suggest.

September 06, 2012 9:49 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Turning Medicare into a more wide-open marketplace also asks a lot of seniors, many of whom may not be up for it. Nearly 30 percent of all seniors have cognitive impairment, making them easy targets for exploitation and fraud. And even seniors without cognitive impairment may not have an easy time navigating the private insurance marketplace: Studies of the Medicare drug benefit, which already has a similar competition scheme, suggest that seniors have generally not chosen the plans that best match their needs.

The Romney/Ryan option to stay in Medicare or take a voucher sounds good on the surface but in the long run will likely destroy traditional medicare. Private plans frequently save money by seeking out the healthiest customers, who cost less to insure. This creates potential for “adverse selection” - leaving Medicare with less healthy beneficiaries, driving up its costs, and leaving it less attractive to younger, healthier seniors. When that happens, traditional medicare will gradually disappear as Republicans want it to do anyway.

As far as the Romney/Ryan voucher providing benefits equivalent to Medicare as bad anonymous claims goes they have not indicated whether they are prepared to implement the steps necessary to make that promise a reality. Once again, they've excluded the specifics so they can offer a promise but not be held responsible for what it would take to implement it. In the competition schemes conservatives favor, program costs would rise at a fixed rate. That means the voucher's value would increase according to a predetermined formula, and in the original Ryan budget that formula would have resulted in dramatic funding cuts. By 2030, according the Congressional Budget Office, the skimpy voucher would have left the typical senior individually responsible for about two-thirds of his or her medical bills.

The new Ryan budget envisions a less severe cut: Under that budget, the voucher would increase at the same rate as gross domestic product, plus half a percentage point. Romney has not said, specifically, how fast the voucher would grow under his scheme. And it’s safe to assume this is a deliberate dodge. If he came up with a growth rate, forecasters would crunch the numbers and come up with projections of what it would mean to individual seniors. But one thing we know is that Romney’s spending cap leaves even less room for domestic spending than Ryan’s budget. That makes it quite likely that Romney’s plan, if taken at face value, would entail a more severe spending cut than Ryan’s or Obama’s.

As we can see bad anonymous's assurances that the Romney voucher would provide the same benefits as Medicare under Obama at no cost to seniors is entirely pie in the sky. Under Romney's plan that is almost certainly not the case but of course Romney has not provided sufficient details to allow projections to see what would really happen.

September 06, 2012 9:50 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "Obama, on the other hand, takes over 700 billion from the Medicare trust fund and uses it to patch the deficit in Obamacare this will first increase premiums and then bankrupt medicare, effectively removing it as a component of our safety net".

Obviously you were afraid to read my previous postings as I have already delt with this. The Ryan plan makes use of the same "700 billion from the Medicare trust fund " (as you dishonestly put it) which you in fact admitted at SEPTEMBER 04, 2012 8:53 AM, saying in a half-truth, "Ryan is simply reducing the cost of the [medicare] plan he isn't taking the savings to use on some other program that doesn't balance".

In fact contrary to bad anonymous's claim the $716 billion in cost cuts that both Obama and Ryan rely on in their budgets will bankrupt medicare it will actually extend :the solvency of the program by eight years:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/politics/costs-seen-in-romneys-medicare-savings-plan.html?pagewanted=all

Bad anonymous's claim that there is a deficit in Obamacare is also a lie The congressional budget office projects that Obamacare will decrease the deficit and destroying it as the Republicans plan will increase the deficit:


http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/105327/cbo-obamacare-deficit-medicaid-expansion-cost-revenue-exchange


Contrary to bad anonymous's claim that Ryan's plan will save medicare, the truth is that both Republicans and bad anonymous want to end Medicare. As bad anonymous said earlier: "the choice this election is clear ... do you want an entitlement society or freedom loving society. It's that simple.". The overarching Republican policy that bad anonymous supports is that people shouldn't rely on the government for money (entitlement programs), they should pay it themselves. Republicans have long expressed a desire to do away with entitlement programs and Medicare is an entitlement program. Trouble for republicans is that Medicare is popular so they are afraid to oppose it openly because of the backlash they would experience. Republicans know the current vague Romney/Ryan plan will eventually increase costs to seniors and reduce benefits and that's exactly what they want. They want to take power and gradually increase dissatisfaction with the plan and so there will be less resistance from seniors when they get around to abolishing this Republican loathed entitlement forever.

September 06, 2012 9:50 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

As a Romney spokesman said Romney would be Bush-like, just more of it. Obviously the last thing the U.S. needs is more of the failed policies of George Bush.

September 06, 2012 10:21 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "as Obama's campaign continues to collapse, liberals are becoming dangerously frustrated".

Really, do you have any concern for reality at all? Could you be any bigger of a B.S.'er?

The reality:

Current projections show Obama with an electoral vote of 311.2 and Romney with 226.8.

The probability of Obama winning is 76.3% up 5.9% since Aug. 29 and the probability of Romney winning is 23.7% down 5.9% since Aug. 29.


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

Its Romney's campaign that's been on the way down, not Obama's



September 06, 2012 10:46 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

I said ""An independent study on by the Tax Policy Center showed that Romney's tax plan would raise taxes on 95% of Americans to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy."


Bad anonymous said "the TPC study uses assumptions without any basis it assumes Romney won't eliminate certain deductions it even lists these assumptions in its appendix Romney's plan leaves taxes at the level for all it just reduces the marginal rate ".

The TPC has to use assumptions because Romney won't give details that would allow a fact check on his claims. Romney has claimed he'd eliminate loopholes, deductions, and credits to pay for the tax cuts but of course he won't specify which ones because that would either open him up to voter backlash from those affected or show that his tax plan can't possibly work. The fact is given the few numbers Romney has been willing to divulge the experts are in agreement it would have to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy and increased defense spending. Romney's condemning the Tax Policy Center now but he previously said "Objective third party analysis showed governor Perry's plan would raise taxes on millions of American families.". The Tax Policy Center is a bipartisan joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution. It is made up of tax experts who served in the Ronald Regan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations. The idea that the Tax Policy Center is showing bias is absurd. Romney's playing his usual game, making promises he can't deliver and when asked how he'll do it he bluffs and says "We'll work that out with congress after the election.". Specifics are Romney's enemy and he avoids them like the plague


http://www.mediaite.com/online/romney-campaign-praised-tax-policy-center-that-they-now-call-biased-and-liberal/


I said "Under the Ryan plan people like Romney would pay virtually no tax at all."


Bad anonymous replied "a baseless lie".

Its easy to make unfounded accusations when you never back them up. I, on the other hand have a source that confirms I'm telling the truth, unlike you:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/Ryan-Tax-Plan-Would-Slash-Romney-Tax-Rate-to-1-Percent-216837-1.html



September 06, 2012 11:01 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Further, Romney has signed Grover Norquist's pledge to never raise taxes as virtually all Republicans have. Norquist and the Republicans have always considered the elimination of tax deductions, credits, and loopholes a tax increase and have always vigorously opposed such moves. The Tax Policy Center's assumption that Romney won't eliminate the deductions they list is on very firm ground.

September 06, 2012 11:05 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The Tax Policy Center's analysis that shows the Romney tax plan will raise taxes on 95% of Americans to pay for tax cuts for the rich is a virtual certainty.

September 06, 2012 11:07 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Here's the details of the fact that under the Ryan plan people like Romney would pay virtually no tax at all.



The House budget plan Ryan put forth in 2010 eliminated taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends. Romney made more than $21 million in 2010, the only year he has released his full tax returns - and about 95 percent of it came from those sources. Under Ryan's plan, Romney would only have paid taxes on the less than $1 million he made from other sources.

This amounts to less than 1% income tax on Romney under Ryan's plan;


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57499092-503544/due-diligence-would-ryan-have-romney-pay-a-1-tax-rate/

Obviously NOT "a baseless lie" as bad anonymous asserted absurdly in his typical fashion.

September 06, 2012 11:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

looks like all ten of the Priyas wanted an at-bat tonight

more baseless assumptions and conjecture

watched obama's speech tonight

absolutely worthless

made no mention of Obamacare and the stimulus, supposedly his big achievements

wonder why, ha-ha

he painted a lovely picture of wonderful things happening in america, without one idea how to get there

not one

just implied promises like the infamous Janesville statement that the plant would be open in a hundred years if they vote for him

here's one example:

"those who fought for our country shouldn't have to now fight for an education or housing or food"

who wouldn't agree?

what is Obama planning to do about it?

pay for veterans' tuition?

buy them a home?

buy them food?

he really didn't say

September 06, 2012 11:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the looming obama dictatorship:


Internal emails between senior officials at The Gallup Organization, obtained by The Daily Caller, show senior Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod attempting to subtly intimidate the respected polling firm when its numbers were unfavorable to the president.

After Gallup declined to change its polling methodology, Obama’s Department of Justice hit it with an unrelated lawsuit that appears damning on its face.

September 06, 2012 11:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's see Obama lie his way out of this one:

"WASHINGTON — U.S. employers added 96,000 jobs last month, a weak figure that could slow any momentum President Barack Obama hoped to gain from his speech to the Democratic National Convention.

The unemployment rate fell to 8.1 percent from 8.3 percent in July, the Labor Department said Friday. But that was only because more people gave up looking for work. The government only counts people as unemployed if they are actively searching.

The government also said 41,000 fewer jobs were created in July and June than first estimated. The economy has added just 139,000 jobs a month since the beginning of the year, below 2011's average.

Dow Jones industrial futures, which had been up before the report, fell soon after it was released.

The report was weak throughout. Hourly pay fell, manufacturers cut the most jobs in two years and the number of people in the work force dropped to its lowest level in 31 years."

September 07, 2012 9:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's see: no convention bounce is showing in the polls today, new economic reports are horrid, Romney has a big lead in campaign cash

meanwhile,

the President gave a speech outlining all the things he'd like to see happen in America without one proposal to accomplish any of it

not one

Dems took the word "God" out of their platform and when the leadership put it back in, despite a vote against it by the delegates, vociferous booing broke out,

speaker after speaker advocated a radical position on abortion, sure to fire up the most enthusiastic Repub group,

Dems released a new video saying we all belong to the government,

and they even managed to tick off the pro-Israel lobby by making clear that the delegates don't support Jerusalem as Israel's capital, which could be a deal-breaker in the close swing state of Florida

oh yeah, Obama's got this all wrapped up...

September 07, 2012 10:01 AM  
Anonymous Army Brat said...

he painted a lovely picture of wonderful things happening in america, without one idea how to get there

You must be talking about Mitt Romney's promise to create 12 million jobs, the one he made without any mention of how he'd do it.

Rosy, empty words.

"those who fought for our country shouldn't have to now fight for an education or housing or food"

who wouldn't agree?

what is Obama planning to do about it?


How incredibly uninformed are you about your own nation's accomplishments.

President Obama has already done a lot from ending the war in Iraq to educating our troops when we say "Welcome Home" as they return home.

US Department of Veterans Affairs: The Post-9/11 GI-Bill

Click the above link and educate yourself about a bill sponsored by Sen. Jim Webb, D-VA, voted for by Sen. Barack Obama and a majority of Congress, and was signed into law by President Bush.

Then note the improvements in the Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Improvements Act of 2010, which was signed into law by President Obama.

Those in the military who fight for our country should not be led by a couple of foreign policy novices. As Colin Powell pointed out to us, RomneyRyan is using the same neocon foreign policy team as President Bush did.

You remember them don't you? They are the ones who screwed over the military in so many ways, like sending troops into war without armored vehicles, and setting up the infamous Mission Accomplished stunt and speech. In reality, it took eight more years to end the mission Bush had previously called "accomplished."

After four years as commander in chief, ending the war in Iraq and giving the green light to Team 6 to finish another job Bush and the GOP left undone, Obama and his teammate and VP Joe Biden, have proven they are ready, willing, and able to lead the military.

September 07, 2012 11:39 AM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

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September 07, 2012 11:55 AM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The jobs outlook in the U.S. would have been better and the unemployment rate a full percentage point lower if it weren't for Republicans forcing Obama to cut government jobs and blocking his efforts to provide federal assistance to save state government jobs for teachers, firefighters, and police amongst others.


Private sector job creation under President Obama has far exceeded private sector job creation under President Bush. 40 months into his presidential term, there are currently more private sector jobs in the economy than when Obama came into office. At the same point in President Bush’s term, the total number of private sector jobs was still down 1.7 percent from where it began.

The numbers are even starker when measuring each president’s record from the moment job creation returned. Private sector job creation returned in February of 2010, the 13th month of President Obama’s term. Since then, the economy has added 4.3 million private sector jobs, a 4 percent increase.

Under President Bush, the economy stopped shedding private sector jobs in July of 2003, fully 30 months into his administration. From that point until May of 2004, the economy added just 1.5 million private sector jobs, an increase of only 1.4 percent.

Ironically, but not surprisingly despite Repulicans ever present claim to want to make government small enough to drown it in a bathtub reductions in government employment happen during Democrat governments and government employment increases during Republican governments. When it comes to shrinking government or the deficit the Republicans only get religion when the Democrats are in power and do the opposite when they are in power. Under Obama government employment is now down 608,000 workers since January 2009, a 2.7 percent decline. At the same point in President Bush’s term, government employment was up 3.7 percent. If, over the past 40 months, government employment had grown at the same pace as it did in President Bush’s first term, there would be 1.4 million additional people at work right now. That’d be enough to bring the unemployment rate down by nearly a full percentage point.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/01/493849/obama-bush-jobs-record/

Under Obama state government employment is down 2.2 percent over the last three years. If Obama had had his way, state and local government job losses in 2011 could have been reduced with more federal assistance, but such proposals were blocked by Republicans in Congress.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/under-obama-a-record-decline-in-government-jobs/

If it weren't for the Republicans the unemployment rate would be significantly lower than it is now but Repulicans were willing to do anything they could to hurt the economy and reduce the number of jobs and they got what they wanted.

September 07, 2012 11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You must be talking about Mitt Romney's promise to create 12 million jobs, the one he made without any mention of how he'd do it."

actually, he's planning to reform the tax code by reducing marginal tax rates, eliminate regulations, repeal Obamacare, increase free trade

this strategy produced near full employment from early in Reagan's Presidency until about the time Obama was elected

every reason to believe it will work again

"How incredibly uninformed are you about your own nation's accomplishments.

President Obama has already done a lot from ending the war in Iraq to educating our troops when we say "Welcome Home" as they return home."

well, that's nice, but last night he implied there was a problem he was going to change but he didn't say how

"Those in the military who fight for our country should not be led by a couple of foreign policy novices. As Colin Powell pointed out to us, RomneyRyan is using the same neocon foreign policy team as President Bush did."

this was a somewhat hypocritical point considering that, other than his murky origins, Obama had no foreign policy experience when elected

"You remember them don't you? They are the ones who screwed over the military in so many ways, like sending troops into war without armored vehicles, and setting up the infamous Mission Accomplished stunt and speech."

actually, the mission of removing Saddam was accomplished at that point

what happened subsequently was that al-quaeda took the opportunity of our presence to launch attacks

"After four years as commander in chief, ending the war in Iraq"

the war in Iraq was won when Obama entered into office

"and giving the green light to Team 6 to finish another job Bush and the GOP left undone"

obama decided to emphasize Afghanistan and the result has not been a clear victory like Iraq

Obama's campaign peaked with Clinton's Wed night speech, which ironically displayed how inadequate obama is

it's all downhill from here on out

September 07, 2012 12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The jobs outlook in the U.S. would have been better and the unemployment rate a full percentage point lower if it weren't for Republicans forcing Obama to cut government jobs and blocking his efforts to provide federal assistance to save state government jobs for teachers, firefighters, and police amongst others."

I see

yesterday, Obama was creating jobs like crazy

and now, when a bad report comes in, it's Republicans' fault

and, of course, obama's answer to unemployment is: just have the government hire everybody

face it: for most of Bush's presidency, everyone who wanted a job had one

in Obama's presidency, the unemployment rate only falls when people give up trying to find a job

in sixty days, you'll find this out:

the American people aren't going to let this go on

Clint Eastwood: when someone doesn't do the job, you gotta let 'em go

September 07, 2012 12:23 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "and, of course, obama's answer to unemployment is: just have the government hire everybody face it: for most of Bush's presidency, everyone who wanted a job had one".

No, it was Bush's answer to have the government hire everybody. Under Obama government employment is now down 608,000 workers since January 2009, a 2.7 percent decline. At the same point in President Bush’s term, government employment was up 3.7 percent.

Under Obama private sector job creation returned in February of 2010, the 13th month of President Obama’s term. Since then, the economy has added 4.3 million private sector jobs, a 4 percent increase.

Under President Bush, the economy stopped shedding private sector jobs in July of 2003, fully 30 months into his administration. From that point until May of 2004, the economy added just 1.5 million private sector jobs, an increase of only 1.4 percent.

Obama has created private sector jobs, Bush created government jobs. Obama is the president who's helped private enterprise grow and thrive. Contrary to Repuplican's lie that they're the party for shrinking government, government grew 3.7% under Bush.

The job losses mounted during the last year of the Bush presidency as his disasterous policies took full effect. Shortly after President Obama took office and passed the stimulus bill and saved the American auto industry the job losses started decreasing, reversed and there's been steady job growth throughout Obama's term.

http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord

Contrast this to Mitt Romney who when he was governor of Massachusetts was 47th out of 50 states in job creation. As a Romney spokesman said "Romney would be Bush-like, just more of it". Obviously the last thing the U.S. needs is more of the failed policies of George Bush.

As we've seen in the detailed fact checked analysis I've laid out Bush and the Republicans are responsible for the unemployment rate not being lower.

When Clinton left office there was a $236 billion surplus. When Bush left office there was a 1.2 trillion deficit. Now, if bad anonymous was smart enough to figure it out (and he's not) he'd retort that since Obama took office the debt has risen by close to 5 trillion. But how much of that was because of policies passed by Obama and how much was caused by the financial crisis and the continuation of Bush policies? When we look at policies and the cost of legislation passed by Obama and Bush the cost of Bush policies from 2001-2009 is 5.1 trillion and the cost of Obama policies is 983 billion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html


What’s also important, but not evident, on this chart is that Obama’s major expenses were temporary, the stimulus is over now, while Bush’s were, effectively, recurring. The Bush tax cuts didn’t just lower revenue for 10 years. It’s clear now that they lowered it indefinitely, which means the above chart is understating their true cost. Similarly, the Medicare drug benefit is costing money on perpetuity, not just for two or three years. The cost of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were similarly inherited by Obama from Bush.

It's clear that Republicans are responsible for both the unemployment rate not being lower and the deficit being as large as it is. But of course this is the way Republicans do things, increasing government employment and the deficit when they're in power and when the Democrats are in power demanding that they reduce the deficit and lower government employment. A bigger bunch of hypocritical economy destroyers has never existed.

Meanwhile, Obama has a whopping lead over Romney in the electoral college vote. Obama 313 versus Romney's 225.

Obama's chance of winning is 77.3% up 5.7% from Aug 30 and Romney's chance of winning is 22.7% down 5.7% from Aug 30.


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/20/gay-marriage-opponents-now-in-minority/

September 07, 2012 12:59 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous, how stressful is it to have to be constantly telling your boss you're doing your duties when in reality you're f'n the dog on the internet? You could get found out any time and fired, how much does that bother you?

September 07, 2012 1:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know either of the two people in this discussion, but as a third-party observer I'd have to say that bad anonymous has had his ass handed to him for several days in a row by Priya Lynn.

It's easy to be a jerk, bad anonymous, but it's also not really that hard to look up the facts.

September 07, 2012 1:39 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Good anonymous said "I don't know either of the two people in this discussion, but as a third-party observer I'd have to say that bad anonymous has had his ass handed to him for several days in a row by Priya Lynn.".
Thanks good anonymous. : ) I think that's also pretty obvious to any objective observer.


(Different?)Good anonymous said "You must be talking about Mitt Romney's promise to create 12 million jobs, the one he made without any mention of how he'd do it."


Bad anonymous said "actually, he's planning to reform the tax code by reducing marginal tax rates, eliminate regulations, repeal Obamacare, increase free trade this strategy produced near full employment from early in Reagan's Presidency until about the time Obama was elected".


Actually history has shown that won't work, it'll only make things worse. During the time when the tax rate has been lowest its benefited the rich and increased their wealth but the average american has seen their share of the overal wealth drop or remain flat. Lowering the tax rate has only seen the gap between the ultra rich and the average American grow. Under Republican administrations, and allowing a one-year lag to provide for time for policies to have effect, unemployment has increased, while gross national product decreased. The opposite has occurred under Democratic control of the White House. This reflects the basic divergence in policy objectives of the two parties:


http://flathatnews.com/2008/09/23/princeton-prof-discusses-gap-between-rich-poor/


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=71284


Further, Romney's promises to reduce marginal tax rates will reduce tax rates on the extremely wealthy and see the 95% of Americans paying more in taxes.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/romney-campaign-praised-tax-policy-center-that-they-now-call-biased-and-liberal/

Now Bad anonymous has wined that the Tax Policy Center assumes Romney won't eliminate certain deductions but Romney has refused to name which he would eliminate because he's afraid of the voter backlash from those affected and knows if he gives details the fact checkers will be able to project his plans and show they aren't feasible. As a Romney campaign pollster said "We aren't going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.". Further, Romney has signed Grover Norquist's pledge to never raise taxes as virtually all Republicans have. Norquist and the Republicans have always considered the elimination of tax deductions, credits, and loopholes a tax increase and have always vigorously opposed such moves. The Tax Policy Center's assumption that Romney won't eliminate the deductions they list is on very firm ground.

September 07, 2012 1:47 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

The congressional budget office has said repealing Obamacare would decrease the deficit and repealing it as the Republicans promised to do would increase the deficit:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/105327/cbo-obamacare-deficit-medicaid-expansion-cost-revenue-exchange


Look at what happened when Clinton was in office. The top tax rate was 39.6% and 20.8 million jobs were created. Under Bush the top tax rate was lowered to 35% and 663,000 private sector jobs were lost

http://meetthefacts.com/2010/07/21/fact-check-rep-chris-van-hollen-bush-administrations-record-of-private-sector-job-loss-and-a-recent-poll-indicating-less-confidence-in-republicans-than-democrats/

Lowering the tax rate has increased the gap between rich and poor, unemployment has increased and gross national product has decreased. And far from it being the case that lowering taxes worked in the Regan presidency, Regan raised taxes 11 times during his presidency.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030729-503544.html

Regan would be drummed out of the Republican party today. As far as eliminating regulations goes, that's exactly what Bush did during his term and it lead directly to the Wall street meltdown and the crashing of the economy. Since then Republicans have opposed every effort to put the regulations back in place that would prevent such a fiasco from ever happening again. The reality is what bad anonymous has claimed is a "plan" to create 12 million jobs is entirely fictional. Not only can Romney not demonstrate how any of those jobs would be created, his policies would cause the loss of jobs, an increase in the deficit, a decrease in the gross national product and an increase in the gap between the rich and poor.

September 07, 2012 1:47 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

10 things conservatives don't want you to know about Ronald Reagan:


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/02/05/142288/reagan-centennial/

September 07, 2012 2:19 PM  
Blogger JimK said...

Priya, I can tell from our blog statistics that most people read and comment on the blog at work. I do not want people to think that their jobs will be in jeopardy if they discuss things here. So let's just keep that topic off limits, can we?

(I am framing that as a question, but it is not.)

JimK

September 07, 2012 2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"as a third-party observer I'd have to say that bad anonymous has had his ass handed to him for several days in a row by Priya Lynn"

if you're truly "third-party" and without preconceptions here, you must be suffering from pseudo-informative rant overload

you generally can tell the Priyas are losing when they start making eight to ten posts at a time

over the last few days, the Priyas have asserted that Ryan's Medicare reform proposal will cost seniors 6400 a year when no one has said that about his current plan, falsely claimed that Romney intends to lower taxes on the wealthy and raise them on the middle class, said Obama has the best records on jobs in the modern era, and, up above, even said Bush deregulated banks when that was actually Clinton

and how about this little juxtaposition:

first saying unemployment would be lower if republicans didn't "force" Obama to cut government jobs (how? they only have held the Senate for two years)

"The jobs outlook in the U.S. would have been better and the unemployment rate a full percentage point lower if it weren't for Republicans forcing Obama to cut government jobs and blocking his efforts to provide federal assistance to save state government jobs for teachers, firefighters, and police amongst others."

then, giving Obama credit for cutting government jobs

"No, it was Bush's answer to have the government hire everybody. Under Obama government employment is now down 608,000 workers since January 2009, a 2.7 percent decline.

Obama has created private sector jobs, Bush created government jobs. Obama is the president who's helped private enterprise grow and thrive."

I guess lying and contradicting is now called ass-handing among a certain set

September 07, 2012 2:33 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "over the last few days, the Priyas have asserted that Ryan's Medicare reform proposal will cost seniors 6400 a year when no one has said that about his current plan, falsely claimed that Romney intends to lower taxes on the wealthy and raise them on the middle class, said Obama has the best records on jobs in the modern era, and, up above, even said Bush deregulated banks when that was actually Clinton".

Everything I've said is true (with one minor exception) and I've backed up those statments with detailed facts and supporting documentation. You on the other hand haven't provided any support for your claims and have made one false claim after another even after I've demonstrated repeatedly that you're wrong. In the case of the $716 billion Obama cut to Medicare costs that Ryan relies on as well you've initially admitted Ryan makes the same cuts and subsequently repeatedly lied and claimed he doesn't. I never said that Obama had the best record on jobs in the modern era, what I said was that under Obama private sector job creation returned in February of 2010, the 13th month of President Obama’s term. Since then, the economy has added 4.3 million private sector jobs, a 4 percent increase. Under President Bush, the economy stopped shedding private sector jobs in July of 2003, fully 30 months into his administration. From that point until May of 2004, the economy added just 1.5 million private sector jobs, an increase of only 1.4 percent.


Obama has created private sector jobs, Bush created government jobs. Obama is the president who's helped private enterprise grow and thrive. Contrary to Repuplican's lie that they're the party for shrinking government, government grew 3.7% under Bush. Contrary to your claim, I didn't "give Obama credit" for cutting government jobs when Bush increased government jobs, I merely stated that that was what was done and that if Obama had added government jobs as Bush had done or the Republicans hadn't blocked Obama's proposals to provide state funding to maintain government jobs the unemployement rate would be much lower than it is now.


I've checked further and you're correct that some of the deregulation happened under Clinton, but Bush continued deregulation and the worst of the subprime mortgage crisis took place on his watch. In any event regardless of who you blame clearly the solution to the struggling economy that resulted from deregulation is not more Romney deregulation which you idiotically claimed would result in job creation. The job losses mounted during the last year of the Bush presidency as his disasterous policies took full effect. Shortly after President Obama took office and passed the stimulus bill and saved the American auto industry the job losses started decreasing, reversed and there's been steady job growth throughout Obama's term.

September 07, 2012 3:53 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...


http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord

The only detailed plan that Ryan and Romney has put forth shows their Medicare plan will cost seniors $6400 a year more. Romney and Ryan have floated a variety of vague “proposals” since then that consist of a fact sheet, plus a few speeches, statements, and op-eds. This allows them to escape responsibility for the inevitable trade-offs that their latest proposals, like every effort to reform Medicare, would require. And it gives them a political advantage over President Obama, who must defend reforms of Medicare in the Affordable Care Act and his latest budget - right down to the last legislative clause and dollar figure. The congressional Budget Office has said they can't cost the latest Romney/Ryan Medicare proposals because they don't include sufficient details which we all know is intentional. As a Romney pollster said "We aren't going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers. Given the deceptions by Romney and Ryan on Medicare it is fair and resonable to use the only detailed plan they've been willing to provide. The Obama campaign has happily said it will revise its campaign advertising if Romney will provide the details to do a projection but of course they've refused to do so.

Contrary to your claim, it is true that Romney's tax plan would raise taxes on the average american to give tax cuts to the wealthy. Romney's promise to cut taxes for all and balance the budget simply can't be done with the plan details he's been willing to release.

http://www.businessinsider.com/romneys-tax-plan-only-works-if-income-inequality-explodes-2012-9

Now you have whined that the Tax Policy Center assumes Romney won't eliminate certain deductions but Romney has refused to name which he would eliminate because he's afraid of the voter backlash from those affected and knows if he gives details the fact checkers will be able to project his plans and show they aren't feasible. As a Romney campaign pollster said "We aren't going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.". Further, Romney has signed Grover Norquist's pledge to never raise taxes as virtually all Republicans have. Norquist and the Republicans have always considered the elimination of tax deductions, credits, and loopholes a tax increase and have always vigorously opposed such moves. The Tax Policy Center's assumption that Romney won't eliminate the deductions they list is on very firm ground.

As a Romney spokesman said "Romney will be bush-like, just more of it.". The last thing the U.S. needs is more of the failed policies of George Bush.

September 07, 2012 3:53 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Bad anonymous said "you generally can tell the Priyas are losing when they start making eight to ten posts at a time".

Of course because what determines whether an argument is right or wrong is the number of posts used to make it. If a person makes a handful of unsuported assertions and baselessly claims the other person's more numerous detailed, fact checked, and document supported arguments are lies its the person who writes the least who is correct.

I can't believe you don't see how stupid and dishonest you look. Be a man for once and admit you're obviously wrong.

September 07, 2012 4:14 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

Jim said "Priya, I can tell from our blog statistics that most people read and comment on the blog at work. I do not want people to think that their jobs will be in jeopardy if they discuss things here. So let's just keep that topic off limits, can we?".

That comes as a surprise to me, but no problem, I'll stop mentioning it.

September 07, 2012 4:51 PM  

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