Mass Murder: Who Will Own This Story?
A guy with a foreign-sounding name goes into a gay bar and kills more than fifty people with an AR-15, after calling 911 to say he supports ISIS.
Kills more than fifty gay people with an AR-15.
Let's talk about who is going to own this story, because this touches a lot of nerves. Right now, Sunday afternoon while they're still counting the bodies, the news is literally calling this "potential terrorism." A guy kills fifty-plus innocent people with a machine gun. What is "potential" about that? What do you have to do to qualify as terrorism, if killing fifty-something random strangers isn't it?
Some people have been saying for a while that we need to control guns. Some say there is no practical reason why a normal citizen would need to have a gun like this, that can fire up to nine hundred rounds of deadly lead per minute. Some others talk about requiring some level of competency or certification, or a clean bill of mental health, before you can get a gun. It has been proposed that gun owners should have insurance, like car insurance, in case their gun does some damage. Someone from the other side is sure to say that this would have turned out better if the gay people in the bar were also carrying semi-automatic weapons.
Do you think the gun-control messengers are going to own this story? No, I don't think so, either.
Today gay people are grieving. This was an attack by a homophobe whose father says he was upset when he saw two men kissing. He deliberately targeted a gay bar during Pride Week, and killed as many people as he could. I heard a gay spokesman saying on the radio that gays have always been the targets of violence, and that politicians who enact anti-gay bills are as responsible for this massacre as anyone. The disk jockey cut off the interview at that point and went on to something else.
Do you think LGBT people are going to own this story? No, I don't either.
Experts on terrorism are already telling us how many terrorist attacks there have been and warning that it is getting worse. This guy does have a foreign-sounding name -- his parents came from Afghanistan -- and he apparently told 911 that he supports ISIS. On the other hand, family members say he was not religious and did not show any interest in political or ideological things. They are as surprised as anyone else by what he did.
Who is going to own this story? Clue -- here is CNN's current headline: 50 killed in Florida nightclub, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance.
No gun, no gay. ISIS allegiance.
This story is going to be stoked and maintained in the interest of continuing Americans' fear and hatred of Muslims. It will be used to justify electing crazy paranoid leaders and attacking distant foreign countries. It will be used to increase surveillance and decrease civil rights. It will generate trillions of dollars of profits for defense contractors and lead to American lives being lost in battle, wherever it is that "we" decide to retaliate.
There are a lot of lessons in this incident, a lot to be learned. Why in the world does anyone own a gun like that? Why in the world are we still arguing about whether it's all right to be gay? Why, when someone goes on a murderous homophobic rampage, do we focus on his religion and one unsubstantiated statement that rationalizes American bellicosity?
The media are going to make this a story about Islamic terrorism. That's the world we have made for ourselves.
Kills more than fifty gay people with an AR-15.
Let's talk about who is going to own this story, because this touches a lot of nerves. Right now, Sunday afternoon while they're still counting the bodies, the news is literally calling this "potential terrorism." A guy kills fifty-plus innocent people with a machine gun. What is "potential" about that? What do you have to do to qualify as terrorism, if killing fifty-something random strangers isn't it?
Some people have been saying for a while that we need to control guns. Some say there is no practical reason why a normal citizen would need to have a gun like this, that can fire up to nine hundred rounds of deadly lead per minute. Some others talk about requiring some level of competency or certification, or a clean bill of mental health, before you can get a gun. It has been proposed that gun owners should have insurance, like car insurance, in case their gun does some damage. Someone from the other side is sure to say that this would have turned out better if the gay people in the bar were also carrying semi-automatic weapons.
Do you think the gun-control messengers are going to own this story? No, I don't think so, either.
Today gay people are grieving. This was an attack by a homophobe whose father says he was upset when he saw two men kissing. He deliberately targeted a gay bar during Pride Week, and killed as many people as he could. I heard a gay spokesman saying on the radio that gays have always been the targets of violence, and that politicians who enact anti-gay bills are as responsible for this massacre as anyone. The disk jockey cut off the interview at that point and went on to something else.
Do you think LGBT people are going to own this story? No, I don't either.
Experts on terrorism are already telling us how many terrorist attacks there have been and warning that it is getting worse. This guy does have a foreign-sounding name -- his parents came from Afghanistan -- and he apparently told 911 that he supports ISIS. On the other hand, family members say he was not religious and did not show any interest in political or ideological things. They are as surprised as anyone else by what he did.
Who is going to own this story? Clue -- here is CNN's current headline: 50 killed in Florida nightclub, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance.
No gun, no gay. ISIS allegiance.
This story is going to be stoked and maintained in the interest of continuing Americans' fear and hatred of Muslims. It will be used to justify electing crazy paranoid leaders and attacking distant foreign countries. It will be used to increase surveillance and decrease civil rights. It will generate trillions of dollars of profits for defense contractors and lead to American lives being lost in battle, wherever it is that "we" decide to retaliate.
There are a lot of lessons in this incident, a lot to be learned. Why in the world does anyone own a gun like that? Why in the world are we still arguing about whether it's all right to be gay? Why, when someone goes on a murderous homophobic rampage, do we focus on his religion and one unsubstantiated statement that rationalizes American bellicosity?
The media are going to make this a story about Islamic terrorism. That's the world we have made for ourselves.
posted by JimK at 3:28 PM
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You got it right Jim. This wasn't about Islamic terrorism, it was about anti-gay bigotry. And right wing Americans will try to portray it as Islmic terrorism to further their political goals.
Note the disgusting Donald Trump tweeting "thanks for the congratulations that I was right about Islamic terrorism". A total lack of empathy, making this all about himself.
news flash:
Islamic terrorists are anti-gay
the difference between them and other anti-gays is that Muslims believe that they are only faithful to their religious beliefs if they execute judgment on those who violate them... and judgment should be violent
the precepts of Islam are not compatible with our tolerant society
this is why we never should have come to Kuwait's rescue when Iraq invaded in the 90s
we have nothing in common with these people
and we have had nothing but trouble as a result
Donald Trump, our next President, is merely thinking about how to protect the American people
which is something that really doesn't cross Barack Obama's mind
I actually don't understand why TTF isn't sky-high and over the moon about Trump
by a large measure, he is the most pro-LGBT Republican candidate in history
and Trump's right that we need to be very careful in admitting Muslim immigrants
since we don't understand them, we can't tell who's safe and who's not
support of the U.S. Constitution is, and should be, a requirement for admission
Jim, Jim, Jim...how did you get in this shape?
"A guy with a foreign-sounding name goes into a gay bar"
uh, not just any foreign name
not Chinese or Swedish or Brazilian or Sri Lankan
he sounded like he came from a predominantly Muslim country
"the news is literally calling this "potential terrorism." A guy kills fifty-plus innocent people with a machine gun. What is "potential" about that? What do you have to do to qualify as terrorism, if killing fifty-something random strangers isn't it?"
well, to qualify as terrorism, the motivation must be to scare people in order to force them to pay attention to a political view
the media was simply trying to convey that the motivation for this may be simply trying to get attention or gain infamy
we may never know in this case
"Some people have been saying for a while that we need to control guns"
unconstitutional
some people have the puerile view that anytime something bad happens, we can prevent it by just making it against the law
even if gun possession were illegal, except for law enforcement and military, this still would have happened
ISIS, which has plenty of guns, can easily smuggle one in
they don't, in fact, care if they're illegal or not
smuggling, btw, would be much easier if ranchers in southern Texas weren't allowed to own guns
"This was an attack by a homophobe whose father says he was upset when he saw two men kissing"
Muslims are among those who find this disgusting
difference with the others is that Muslims are obligated by their religion to rid the world of such things BY ANY MEANS NECESSSARY
"I heard a gay spokesman saying on the radio that gays have always been the targets of violence, and that politicians who enact anti-gay bills are as responsible for this massacre as anyone"
kind of like saying that anyone who supports civil rights is responsible for the riots in Baltimore in the Freddie Gray incident
"Experts on terrorism are already telling us how many terrorist attacks there have been and warning that it is getting worse. This guy does have a foreign-sounding name -- his parents came from Afghanistan"
his father didn't just come "from Afghanistan"
he made videos supporting the Taliban
how did this guy get admitted to our country?
"No gun, no gay. ISIS allegiance"
well, the gun didn't do it
and tolerance of homosexuality is only one of the things Muslims don't like about us
"This story is going to be stoked and maintained in the interest of continuing Americans' fear and hatred of Muslims. It will be used to justify electing crazy paranoid leaders and attacking distant foreign countries. It will be used to increase surveillance and decrease civil rights. It will generate trillions of dollars of profits for defense contractors and lead to American lives being lost in battle, wherever it is that "we" decide to retaliate"
1. radical Muslims have declared that one of their goals is to destroy America
2. if we do nothing, they can succeed
3. we should kill those who threaten to kill us
any issue?
"There are a lot of lessons in this incident, a lot to be learned. Why in the world does anyone own a gun like that?"
to defend themselves against bad guys who "own a gun like that"
"Why in the world are we still arguing about whether it's all right to be gay?"
don't think anyone is arguing
the positions are all fixed at this point
btw, it's not alright
it's been considered not alright throughout history and in the majority of the world today
but violence doesn't fix things that aren't alright
"Why, when someone goes on a murderous homophobic rampage, do we focus on his religion"
oh, it's because there is currently a religion being used to justify violence worldwide
it's called Islam
surprised you haven't heard, Jim
"The media are going to make this a story about Islamic terrorism. That's the world we have made for ourselves"
they are trying to find that out
it's a search for facts
it has to be done before facts can be taught
gay groups call on Obama to fight Islam and stop defending it
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/12/log-cabin-republicans-call-obama-confront-radical-islam/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
"No gun, no gay. ISIS allegiance"
notice how TTF couldn't care less that most of the victims were Hispanic and that this was "latino" night at the club
TTF is biased
So you are an Islamophobe as well as a Homophobe and Transgenderphobe and you think you know what Islam is about.
I suggest you listen to the message of the last GOPer in the White House about Islam given on September 17, 2001.
GWB's entire "Islam is Peace" speech
"he sounded like he came from a predominantly Muslim country"
New York, one of the United States of America is where he was born.
"difference with the others is that Muslims are obligated by their religion to rid the world of such things BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"
Christians like Dillan Roof and Robert Lewis Dear used ANY MEANS they had at their disposal to try to start a race war and to kill patients and loved ones at their doctor's office, possibly to have a procedure Dear didn't approve of.
All they needed were US gun laws to carry out their murderous deeds.
Just a few days ago the Florida gunman legally bought the guns he used to shoot over 100 innocent people, including an assault weapon similar to the one Adam Lanza used to kill all those innocent children in Newtown, Connecticut.
How many more innocents have to die before we make it illegal for citizens to purchase and own military grade killing machines?
Trump wants to ban Muslims, not assault weapons, though Trump previously argued in favor of banning assault weapons and supported "a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun," in his 2000 book "The America We Deserve."
I'm with Hillary: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/13/hillary-clinton-reinstate-assault-weapons-ban/
I was talking with a Muslim friend yesterday afternoon, who was as shocked and upset and grieving as much as I was, even though he comes from Syria where many of his friends have been killed by the Assad regime. He said that, in situations like these, he and other loving, non-radical Muslims (the vast majority) don't know what to do. He said that the violent fringe of the religion gets the press, and people don't realize that most Muslims are peaceful, caring people of integrity. He added that he knows the prophet Muhammed is horrified by these acts, much as Jesus was horrified by the Inquisition and the pogroms in Russia and other violence carried out in his name.
"I don't know what people want me to do in this situation," he said. "so I don't say a word and try to blend into the shadows and hope people don't vent their rage on me. I can pass for Italian, but my sisters and mother who live in this country wear Muslim head coverings and my nephew's name is Omar, the same as the name of the shooter. I'm very worried about what they may encounter. None of us knows what to do. We can't start every conversation with an apology and we walk around in fear until things settle down, which may take months."
I couldn't answer him. Do you have any ideas?
Rose
Omar Mateen — a man who had been on the FBI’s radar twice — has been identified by officials as the gunman who killed 50 people and left at least 53 injured at a gay club in Orlando, Florida, early Sunday.
Mateen, a 29-year-old American citizen born in New York, acted alone and very quickly when he opened fire with a weapon officials described as an assault rifle.
About 20 minutes before the killings, Mateen called 911 to pledge his allegiance to ISIS. He gave his full name to the operator, and mentioned the Boston bombers, according to multiple sources who spoke to law enforcement.
Mateen had purchased a “long gun” and a handgun within a week of the Orlando attack, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said. The weapons were purchased legally, despite Mateen being investigated for possible terrorist ties several years ago. (See NRA, Republicans block proposed law to stop suspected terrorists from buying guns in U.S.
The FBI first became aware of Mateen in 2013, when he made threats to co-workers, “including possible ties to terrorist activities,” an FBI spokesman said Sunday.
Mateen was again investigated by the FBI in 2014, over possible ties to American suicide bomber Moner Mohammad Abusalha, the agency said.
Abusalha — who lived Fort Pierce, Florida, as did Mateen — was the first American to carry out a suicide attack in Syria. Mateen’s contact with Abusalha was deemed “minimal” and did not pose a threat at the time, said FBI Special Agent in Charge Ron Hopper.
All FBI investigations of Mateen were eventually closed.
Authorities say Mateen attacked the downtown Pulse nightclub around 2 a.m. At one point, after a gun fight with an off-duty, armed officer, Mateen left the building but returned to take hostages. He was killed by police following the hourslong hostage situation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/omar-mateen-identified-orlando-club-shooter_us_575d6f19e4b0ced23ca84a64
How inevitable that Wyatt/bad anonymous couldn't empathetically take a break from his anti-gay rants in this time of mourning and instead chooses to make post after post twisting the knife in the open wound of the LGBT community.
Of course someone who hates who he is feels a deep seated need to attack those he resents for being freely who they are. Not even in death are LGBT people free from assaults from self-loathing gays like him.
Wyatt you have done everything you could to create a climate of hate and intolerance towards gays. You have contributed to the anti-gay attitudes of people like this and helped give them justification for murder. You and all the anti-gay bigots have blood on your hands.
Christian Pastor Calls Orlando Massacre ‘Good News’
"The good news is that there’s 50 less pedophiles in this world, because, you know, these homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts and pedophiles. That’s who was a victim here, are a bunch of, just, disgusting homosexuals at a gay bar, okay?
But the bad news is that this is now gonna be used, I’m sure, to push for gun control, where, you know, law-abiding normal Americans are not gonna be allowed to have guns for self-defense. And then I’m sure it’s also gonna be used to push an agenda against so-called “hate speech.” So Bible-believing Christian preachers who preach what the Bible actually says about homosexuality — that it’s vile, that it’s disgusting, that they’re reprobates — you know, we’re gonna be blamed.Like, “It’s all extremism! It’s not just the Muslims, it’s the Christians!” I’m sure that that’s coming. I’m sure that people are gonna start attacking, you know, Bible-believing Christians now, because of what this guy did. [ed: Gee, I wonder why they're going to say that?/sarcasm)
Now let me just be real clear: I’ve never advocated for violence. I don’t believe in, you know, taking the law into our own hands. I would never go in and shoot up a gay bar — so-called. I don’t believe it’s right for us to just be a vigilante… But I will say this: The Bible says that homosexuals should be put to death, in Leviticus 20:13. Obviously, it’s not right for somebody to just, you know, shoot up the place, because that’s not going through the proper channels. But these people all should have been killed, anyway, but they should have been killed through the proper channels, as in they should have been executed by a righteous government that would have tried them, convicted them, and saw them executed. Because, in Leviticus 20:13, God’s perfect law, he put the death penalty on murder, and he also put the death penalty on homosexuality. That’s what the Bible says, plain and simple."
"I couldn't answer him. Do you have any ideas?"
yeah, tell him to relax and enjoy his life
he's in no danger here
as opposed to the mortal danger, state sponsored, that any American Christian or Jew would face in the part of the world he's from
At its core, this attack is the product of two things: easy civilian access to weapons that kill dozens in minutes, and the persistence of political rhetoric that marginalizes LGBT people.
actually, the left in America prefers Muslims to LGBTsters
read all about it:
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/06/12/left-chose-islam-gays-now-100-people-killed-maimed-orlando/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
The media wants to downplay the LGBTQI aspect of the attack for the benefit of domestic Christianist leaders/organisations (hate groups) who have been spewing anti-gay rhetoric and introducing so many anti-gay anti-trans bills like HB-2 into state legislatures.
Can't have our domestic non-Muslim bigots feeling the heat of the hatred they've been spewing.
The American christian right has introduced 200 anti-LGBT bills in the last six months and people are blaming Islam for this. NO!
This was not about ISIS or Islam. It's anti-gay animus. Start reporting the truth of hate spewed by ALL religions.
Donald Trump and the Republican Party are trying to turn this tragedy to their political profit by making this a terrorist attack, never confessing their part in fueling the homophobia in the U.S.
"This was not about ISIS or Islam"
really?
before the guy did it, he called 911 and said that's what it was about
and ISIS says that's what it was about
but you say they couldn't help themselves because the advocates of traditional morality in America refuse to compromise for the sake of pleasing the entertainment-media-left complex and the Muslims just lost self-control?
are you still in therapy?
"actually, the left in America prefers Muslims to LGBTsters".
"There will be attempts to pit two vulnerable communities, LGBT and Muslims, against each other. Resist them."
- David Klion
How typical of Wyatt/bad anonymous to attempt to use a tragedy to attack both of the groups he hates and foment violence between them.
Just hours after the Orlando Massacre a white, heterosexual, Christian, Republican was on his way - with way more weapons/ammunition - to L.A. LGBT Pride do the EXACT same thing as the the anti-LGBT Orlando killer. Thankfully the GOP minion was stopped before he could do it.
Just days ago Donald Trump broke bread with the same "Christian" hate group leaders who cheer laws that legalize the death penalty for being LGBT & spew out the same anti-LGBT propaganda that inspired the Orlando shooter. FOUR of the 2016 Republican candidates for President shook hands, embraced, and shared a stage with several "Christian" pastors who called for mass murder of millions of LGBT & pro-LGBT Americans on that very stage.
On CNN and Fox News, one politician after another professed to be “shocked” by the massacre in Orlando. “Who would have expected such a thing?” people kept asking. Actually, I’ve been expecting just such a thing for years. The only shock was that it took this long for some jihadist to go after a gay establishment.
Islamic law, after all, is crystal clear on homosexuality, though the various schools of sharia prescribe a range of penalties: one calls for death by stoning; another demands that the transgressor be thrown from a high place; a third says to drop a building on him. In Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Sudan, Yemen, Mauritania, Pakistan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, as well as in parts of Nigeria, Somalia, Syria and Iraq, homosexuality is indeed punishable by death.
Nor do Muslims magically change their views on the subject when they move to the West. As long ago as 2005, the head of the Netherlands’ leading gay rights group said that, owing to the growth of Islam in Amsterdam, tolerance of gay people was “slipping away like sand through the fingers”; over the last 10 or 15 years, Dutch gays have fled the cities in droves to escape Muslim gay-bashing. In Norway, several high-profile Muslims have refused publicly to oppose executing gays, and when challenged on their views have gone on the offensive, demanding respect for orthodox Muslim beliefs. This past April, a poll established that 52 percent of British Muslims want homosexuality banned.
Many on the left refuse to face these facts. In 2004, when gay activist Peter Tatchell urged London’s then-mayor Ken Livingstone to rescind an invitation to Koranic scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi—who supports the death penalty for gays—Livingstone issued a report calling Qaradawi a liberal and Tatchell a racist.
Yes, there are self-identified Muslims who harbor no antigay prejudice; I suspect that more than a few of them are actually apostates who—aware that Islam considers apostasy, too, a capital crime—choose to keep quiet about their infidel status. Some gays who were born into Islam claim that they’ve worked out for themselves a version of their faith not inconsistent with their homosexuality; good luck to them, but they’re in a tiny minority. Whenever a Muslim commits some atrocity, we’re reminded that the world contains some 1.5 billion Muslims, the great majority of them tolerant, peace-loving, etc.; the fact is that the great majority of those 1.5 billion Muslims also belong to varieties of Islam that preach contempt for, and severe punishment of, homosexuals.
Incredibly, many gays still don’t get this—or refuse to get it. They cling—mindlessly, one wants to say—to leftist ideology, which tells them that Muslims, like gays, are an official victim group, and thus their natural allies. They see Christians as their enemies—though even the most aggressively antigay Christians in America, namely the “God hates fags” crowd at the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, don’t go around killing anybody. Perversely, some gays support the BDS (boycott, divestment, and sanctions) movement, which demonizes the only gay-friendly country in the Middle East. Some even buy into the concept of “pinkwashing”—the inane assertion, promoted by radical lesbian playwright Sarah Schulman, that Israel advertises its own gay-positive values as a means of covering up its supposed oppression of Palestinians.
On this day of horror, let’s hope that the jihadist massacre of 50 people in a gay club in Orlando finally awakens gay Americans to the brutal reality of Islam’s hatred for them.
There are many causes for what happened last night. The family of the perpetrator, and his ex wife, are saying that he wasn’t particularly religious, and that he absolutely hated LGBT people. So homophobia is a cause of this. The easy access to firearms is another cause of this. There’s breaking news about ISIS potentially, so that conflict might have something to do with this. There are other causes as well.
But the people who hate us, who pass bathroom bills against us, who provided the legal protections to the terrorist allowing him to acquire the weapon of war he used against us in Orlando last night, who themselves are complicit in this act through their reckless and irresponsible policies, are now trying to use our dead as a way to attack Muslims.
It is a desecration of our dead, and an attempt to hide their own complicity in this, and every other mass shooting they have enabled by guaranteeing that the tools of mass murder are widely available.
This is the worst terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11.
It happened at an LGBT club, on Latinx night, during pride month.
It was an act of hate. And the GOP and their idiot leader are trying to use this act of hate to create even more hate. They don’t care about us, but they’re happy to use our dead bodies as a cudgel to beat the US Muslim community.
Well you know who the highest-elected Muslim leader in the us is? Kieth Ellison, co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He’s an ally of the LGBT community, he fights for us, for marriage equality and for the rights of all. He, and a great many of the Muslims I follow on social media were expressing shock, horror, and outrage before anyone knew who perpetrated this attack.
American Muslims are standing in solidarity with us, and have been all along. Just like American Catholics, Protestants, Atheists, Pagans, and a myriad of other groups. And every one of those groups has problems with Sexism and Homophobia, just like any other group. And we’ll call it out when we see it, because we all have places where we need to be better.
But we won’t let the GOP, the Klan, and other white nationalists use our dead to attack our allies, divide us, and stir up bigotry and hatred. This was an act of hatred. Let us sow peace in its wake, not create more bigotry.
CodePink DC has called for a Candlelight Vigil tonight at the White House, at 8:30. I’ll be there. There’s also a rally at the capitol at the same time, which I may attend as well. If you search twitter or Facebook, you’ll find a rally or vigil somewhere nearby. If you can attend, please do.
Straight allies, if you’re outraged, if you’re upset, keep saying so. Knowing that you have our back is important.
read "letter to the deluded", dude
it has your name on it
also, ask priya for the name of a therapist
Hey idiot follower,
It was an act of hate. And the GOP and their idiot leader are trying to use this act of hate to create even more hate. They don’t care about us, but they’re happy to use our dead bodies as a cudgel to beat the US Muslim community.
We must stand together against discrimination in all forms, including demonization of any faith, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or gender identity.
At this writing, below are some of the events being organized across the state so that Marylanders may stand in solidarity against violence and in mourning of this tragedy:
Monday, June 13th at 7pm - Candle Light Vigil at Ynot Lot in Baltimore, organized by GLCCB in collaboration with FreeState Legal and Equality Maryland.
Monday, June 13th at 7pm - Muslim Community Joins LGBTQ Community to Condemn Violence and Bigotry at the International Cultural Center in Montgomery Village - 16650 Club House Road, Montgomery Village, MD. Co-sponsored by Montgomery County Muslim Democratic Club, FreeState Legal and Equality Maryland, and World Organization for Resource Development and Education.
Monday, June 13th at 7pm, PFLAG Columbia-Howard County will gather at the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Columbia. All are welcome to participate in Sanctuary C of the Owen Brown Interfaith Center (7246 Cradlerock Way, Columbia, MD 21045).
Tuesday, June 14th at 8pm - Candle Light Vigil for Pulse Victims at the Evangelical Reform Church United Church of Christ, 15 West Church St., Frederick, organized by the Frederick Center.
"It was an act of hate"
yes, it was
Muslims hate America
in case you haven't heard, they often say "Death to America"
http://www.weareorlando.org has been set up as a central place to find out about vigils, organise your own event, or make a donation. Please go there and do what you can.
more peace and love from the Muslim leadership in America:
"An Islamic scholar who spoke at an Orlando mosque says gay people should be killed according to Islamic law “out of compassion.”
“Death is the sentence,” Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar said at a speech at the Husseini Islamic Center in Orlando. “We know. There’s nothing to be embarrassed about this. Death is the sentence.”
“We have to have that compassion for people,” he continued. “With homosexuals, it’s the same. Out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”
gays think Muslims are so tolerant
maybe they should move to Saudi Arabia
experience first hand,
some real peace, love and understanding
let's all crowdsource some funds for priya to go!!
""An Islamic scholar who spoke at an Orlando mosque says gay people should be killed according to Islamic law “out of compassion.”"
And American Peter Sprigg says gays should not serve in the military and gay behavior should be outlawed.
"MATTHEWS: What should a young woman or man, 22 years old, out of college, officer material, they want to serve their country. But they’re gay. What should they do? They want to serve their country?
SPRIGG: Well, they should serve it in some civilian capacity, and not join the military.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
SPRIGG: Because the presence of homosexuals in the military is incompatible with good order, morale, discipline and unit cohesion. That’s exactly what Congress found in 1993 and that’s what the law states!
[snip]
SPRIGG: Don’t ask don’t tell is the Clinton compromise policy which is actually incompatible with the law that was passed by Congress. There’s almost universal misunderstanding about that. I’d like to see us do away with this don’t ask don’t tell, and simply enforce the law that was passed by Congress.
[snip]
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you Peter, do you think people choose to be gay?
SPRIGG: Uh, people do not choose to have same-sex attractions, but they do choose to have homosexual conduct [...]
MATTHEWS: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior?
SPRIGG: Well, I think certainly-
MATTHEWS: I’m just asking you, should we outlaw gay behavior?
SPRIGG: I think that the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned the sodomy laws in this country, was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior.
MATTHEWS: So we should outlaw gay behavior.
SPRIGG: Yes."
--Confirmed: FRC's Peter Sprigg supports 'criminal sanctions' against the lgbt community
Peter Spring and your nameless Islamic scholar hold similar views.
if you think those views are even remotely similar, it's yet more evidence of your mental instability
of course, that's a common gay characteristic
Your scholar wants gays killed.
Spring wants people who engage in "homosexual behavior" to be criminally sanctioned.
One of these men wants to deny gays life and the other wants to deny gays their pursuit of happiness.
Both of these men feel entitled to deny gays their liberties.
But here in America, we believe all are created equal and have certain unalienable rights, specifically, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Your scholar and Sprigg both espouse unAmerican views of the rights of Americans and you don't get it.
"On this day of horror, let’s hope that the jihadist massacre of 50 people in a gay club in Orlando finally awakens gay Americans to the brutal reality of Islam’s hatred for them."
American Christians would love to do the same thing, would love to legalize the execution of gays and in fact many of have said so and expressed glee at the killings. And many more American Christians are silently cheering the murders.
Make no mistake about it, if American Christians weren't restrained by a secular government they'd be doing everything they could to emulate the worst Muslim atrocities committed against gays.
Wyatt/bad anonymous's attempts to justify American christian oppression of gays by pointing to Muslim murders of gays is no different than the schoolyard bully punching a parent's child in the face and saying "You should thank me for not killing him.".
No Wyatt, American LGBTs aren't fools, they aren't going to put up with American christians calling for their death, imprisonment, denying them equal rights and discriminating against them just because American christians like you try to con them into thinking Christians are treating them well and fairly because they aren't killing them.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "it's yet more evidence of your mental instability of course, that's a common gay characteristic".
His non-stop comments like this after this tragedy show he takes great delight in what has happened and thinks these LGBT people deserved it for not being closeted and self-loathing like he is.
Let's not forget the shooter was an American. He absorbed all the anti-gay rhetoric American Christians have been pouring out since his birth and in particular since gays right to marry was recognized. And it was seeing two men kiss that set him off.
American Christians like Wyatt/bad anonymous don't get to preach about how gayness is wrong, disgusting,
sinful, and destructive, how gayness is a grave threat to the
family, how LGBT people are diseased and mentally unstable, and
then pretend they had nothing to do with it when someone takes them at face value.
Wyatt/bad anonymous has blood on his hands and his trying to point the finger solely at Muslims won't change that.
Unlike so many Christian leaders American Muslim leaders have unconditionally condemned the anti-gay attacks and expressed sympathy and solidarity with the LGBT community
A couple of examples:
Nihad Awad, CAIR’s national Executive Director said this:
We offer condolences to the families and we pray for recovery of the survivors. This is a hate crime, plain and simple. We condemn it in the strongest possible terms. It violates our principles as Americans and as Muslims. Let me be perfectly clear. We have no tolerance for extremism of any kind. We must not tolerate hateful rhetoric that incites violence against minorities. Religious freedom is a cornerstone of our beliefs as Muslims and as Americans. Today, we must stand united.
For many years, members of the LGBT community have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Muslim community against any act of hate crimes, Islamophobia, marginalization and discrimination. Today, we stand with them shoulder to shoulder. The liberation of the American Muslim community is profoundly linked to the liberation of other minority groups: blacks, Latinos, gay, Jewish, trans and every other community that has faced discrimination and operation in this country.
Minnesota Muslims condemn in the strongest possible terms the mass shooting in Orlando. We offer our heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones of all those killed or injured”
The LGBTQ community has stood side by side with the American Muslim community during challenging and difficult times. We stand together against hatred, violence and demonization of entire communities.
— Jaylani Hussein, Executive Director of the CAIR-Minnesota
…Since 9/11, the LGBTQ community has time and again supported the Muslim American community against the trials of bigotry and Islamophobia. Now, the Muslim American community stands with the LGBTQ community, as we believe any Muslim who embodies true Islamic principles should do.
— Miriam Amer, Executive Director of CAIR-Iowa
Contrast that with the Republicans who try to pretend this wasn't an attack on people because they were LGBT but instead try to appropriate this tragedy for their own political ends
With less than two days between us and the slaughter of 49 lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida — during Pride month, no less — the pain only seems to be getting worse within our community.
But as we begin the process of healing, we must now deal with the non-queer, mainstream public trying to process something that we, as queer people, have always known: people hate us simply for existing as we are in the world.
The reality is we now must face how the media is reporting on this issue — and call it out when they erase the queerness of the victims who suffered in this massacre. And, predictably, many outlets are refusing to center the conversation around exactly what this is: a homophobic, transphobic, racist attack against the LGBT community.
Additionally, through print media coverage today, we can see conversations centered around the shooter’s ISIS ties — with no (or only a cursory) mention of the targeted nature of the attack against the LGBT community.
Few things, to me, feel quite as painful as the erasure of the sexual and gender identities of the victims when it comes to reporting on this attack.
We as LGBT people spent decades being told that we don’t exist or that our lives do not matter. We’ve been murdered in the streets and incarcerated for trying to live authentically as who we are. When we were dying by the thousands from AIDS in the 1980s and 1990s, those in positions of power turned a blind eye.
And now, when are are slaughtered in a nightclub — historically the pinnacle of safe space and community for queer people — the world is trying to erase us once again.
Let me say this loud and clear: this was an invasion and massacre of the queer community.
If you have trouble understanding the idea of a nightclub as a safe, sacred space, then you’ve clearly never been made to feel like your love is illegitimate, incorrect and something that should be hidden away from the world. You’ve clearly never needed a safe space. We always have.
But we will not hide anymore and we will not allow the media — or anyone — to erase what this situation is really about: 49 queer and trans people, mostly of color, slaughtered in their sacred space during the one time of the year when we are supposedly celebrated by the public.
And if your reporting or conversation is not centered around that idea, then you should do some serious self-reflection. Ask yourself, why am I having trouble accepting that part of the narrative? Why do I so deeply deny that someone could be driven to do something so horrific over an immutable aspect of another’s identity?
We are here, we are queer, we are not afraid — and we will not be silent.
http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orlando-shooting-homophobia_us_575ef408e4b0e4fe514327a0
"American Christians would love to do the same thing, would love to legalize the execution of gays and in fact many of have said so and expressed glee at the killings. And many more American Christians are silently cheering the murders"
Priya here is aping the American left who, with a straight face, says that noting the well-known and documented tendencies of Islam is Islamaphobia. Then, makes up and attributes secret desires to Christians. Amazing
well, Priya's statements are so self-indicting that they don't really require refutation
some observations from the left's public ranting of the last few days:
1. the roundly repeated media trope that Trump is a monster because his reaction is to use this tragedy for political purposes
huh?
you mean by proposing solutions to a chronic problem
you can debate whether it's the right solution but to say the discussion is political exploitation is astounding from a group that idolizes Obama who uses every tragedy as a way to exploit political gains
indeed, his Chief of Staff back in 2009 famously said to never waste the political opportunity of a tragedy
2. accounts in the Post this morning have the shooter's former classmates recalling that he celebrated on Sept 11, 2001, whooping and cheering, and mocked other kids who were upset by pretending to be a plane and crashing into the wall. he was sent home for the day because of his behavior
you may remember that trump has been criticized for pointing out that there were muslims doing just this on 9-11
he's been called a liar
he can't be called that now
btw, the shooter likely picked up this attitude from his parents, who we graciously allowed entry to our country and who thanked us by making pro-Taliban video propaganda
3. reports that the shooter frequented the gay club and well-known to the other gays there
was he gay?
if so, we now have the larger mass shooting in U.S. history committed by a gay
"1. the roundly repeated media trope that Trump is a monster because his reaction is to use this tragedy for political purposes"
Until this comment, "Trump" has been mentioned 10 times in the thread, and 5 of those times it was you mentioning his name.
"2. accounts in the Post this morning have the shooter's former classmates recalling that he celebrated on Sept 11, 2001, whooping and cheering, and mocked other kids who were upset by pretending to be a plane and crashing into the wall. he was sent home for the day because of his behavior
you may remember that trump has been criticized for pointing out that there were muslims doing just this on 9-11
he's been called a liar
he can't be called that now"
Except Trump said there were "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey doing that, not one bullied high school student in Florida.
Trump did indeed lie about what he claims he saw happening in New Jersey pm 9/11/01.
"3. reports that the shooter frequented the gay club and well-known to the other gays there
was he gay?
if so, we now have the larger mass shooting in U.S. history committed by a gay"
Or was he scoping out the place, making plans about how to attack for maximum kill? He certainly made sure to get the same military grade long gun as the mass killers in Aurora and Newtown used.
Since the NRA has made sure to fight against every attempt Congress makes to ban or limit the use of assault weapons, we now have the largest mass shooting in US History using a weapon kept on the market for sale to civilians by the lobbyists at the NRA.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said " reports that the shooter frequented the gay club and well-known to the other gays there was he gay?".
Possibly although as good anonymous said he may have just been learning more about his intended terrorism target.
Having said that, no one knows better than you the toxic effect bigotry can have on men with same sex attractions. They are taught to hate themselves, that they will be tortured eternally for a harmless characteristic, that they are disgusting and despicable. As we see with you it is common for such self-loathing gays to attack happy and open gays out of resentment for not experiencing the same pain of the self-inflicted closet. If the shooter was gay the only difference between him and Wyatt/bad anonymous is that he attacked gays physically and Wyatt/bad anonymous attacks gays verbally (at least up until now - I hope you don't own a gun Wyatt)
If the shooter was gay, it was not his gayness that lead him to kill, it was the anti-gay rhetoric of a hateful society that people such as Wyatt/bad anonymous fanatically promote.
Pastor Roger Jimenez of Verity Baptist Church:
"Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?” he said in the sermon. “Um no, I think that’s great! I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight.”
The remarks were delivered on Sunday morning, hours after the attack happened.
“We don’t need to do anything to help. As far as I’m concerned, Orlando is a little bit safer tonight,” he said.
Jimenez’s sermon went on to call for even more death at the hands of the government.
“If we lived in a righteous government, they should round them all up and put them up against a firing wall, and blow their brains out,” Jimenez said in the sermon.
Omar Mateen’s wife knew he was planning an attack. Salman told police that she was aware her husband had been “scouting Downtown Disney and Pulse for attacks. Unlike the four Disney World theme parks, Downtown Disney, which was recently renamed Disney Springs, doesn’t have security and bag check before entry,” a federal law enforcement source said.
Mateen and Salman married in 2013.
The admission of knowledge about the pending attack bolsters comments by GOP candidate Donald Trump that Muslims in America don’t do enough to warn cops about pending jihad attacks. Before the “San Bernardino people knew what was going on, they knew exactly, but they used the excuse of racial profiling for not reporting it,” Trump said Monday. “These people need to have consequences, big consequences.”
the only difference between ISIS and Priya is that ISIS attacks Christians physically and Priya attacks Christians verbally
right?
I'm not a self-loathing Christian driven to attack Christians out of self-loathing and resentment over their living happy and openly.
You however, are a self-loathing gay who is driven to attack gays out of resentment for not hating themselves as you do.
Gays like you are very messed up and dangerous.
We can only hope that if Wyatt/bad anonymous buys an assault rifle the FBI finds out.
Its a beneficial social service to attack religious beliefs that hurt others. Wyatt/bad anonymous attacks harmless immutable characteristics that hurt no one.
I help society by attacking evil, Wyatt/bad anonymous hurts society by attacking innocent people.
Well, you show every sign of being self-loathing and resentful. Certainly you don't exude contentment and self-confidence.
"I help society by attacking evil"
actually, you attack what restrains evil in the world
homosexuality is harmful to the individuals that indulge and encouraging others, including minors, to do so causes suffering
Actually I'm extremely happy and I'm not resentful of anyone. But you already knew that, you just had to make the obligatory "I know you are, but what am I" retort typical of your childish approach to debate.
Two men in a monogamous relationship harm no one, they make each other happy, they live longer, they're more productive and that benefits both them and society.
Christians who discriminate against, denigrate, and oppress such men harm both them, their mental health (note you and the shooter), their productivity, and ultimately society.
The definition of morality is "Do whatever you want, but harm no one". A monogamous gay couple is by definition behaving morally. Christians who try to destroy and prevent such relationships are by definition behaving immorally.
You try to draw an equivalence between your verbal attacks on gays and my verbal attacks on Christianity but there is none:
You call for gays to be imprisoned and executed, I make no such call for treating Christians that way.
You spread hatred and fear of gays by claiming they are diseased, all mentally ill, and criminals. I make no such claims that Christians are diseased, mentally ill criminals merely because they are Christians.
You demand that gays be denied equal rights, I fight for Christians to have the same rights I do.
To claim that I "attack" Christians in the same way you attack gays is obviously false. Your attacks are characteristic of an individual deeply disturbed by a hateful society which has made him hate who he is.
My "attacks" on Christianity are characteristic of someone who wants the best for all, fairness and equality. I am very happy with who I am and proud of the way I treat others.
Stop the cycle of violence Wyatt. Stop hating yourself in a vain attempt to please the bigots you identify with. The research overwhelmingly shows gays who positively accept their orientation are happier and better adjusted than those who do not.
You're not doing anything wrong by being attracted to men. Accept yourself for who you are and stop fantasizing about attacking happy innocent LGBT people in a hopeless attempt to destroy your own same sex attractions.
Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’
"Following the deadliest shooting in U.S. history, a Baptist preacher stood at his pulpit Sunday night in Northern California and delivered an impassioned sermon praising the brutal massacre at a gay nightclub in Florida.
Pastor Roger Jimenez from Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento told his congregation that Christians “shouldn’t be mourning the death of 50 sodomites.”
“People say, like: Well, aren’t you sad that 50 sodomites died?” Jimenez said, referencing the initial death toll in Orlando, which authorities later clarified included 49 victims plus the gunman. “Here’s the problem with that. It’s like the equivalent of asking me — what if you asked me: Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?’
“Um, no, I think that’s great. I think that helps society. You know, I think Orlando, Fla., is a little safer tonight.”
He added: “The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die. The tragedy is — I’m kind of upset that he didn’t finish the job!..."
The narrative falls apart: Evidence that Omar Mateen was in the closet undermines GOP framing of the Orlando shooting
"Within hours of the news spreading that there had been a massacre at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, it became clear that conservatives needed to minimize the possibility that this was the anti-gay hate crime that it looked like. Republican pundits and politicians got to work trying to imply the choice of a target was unimportant or arbitrary, refusing to acknowledge that Pulse was a gay bar or that most of the victims were queer.
The move, while cynical, makes sense. If Republicans can trick people into thinking this was some kind of generic Islamic assault on the West, then they can run the terrorists-are-coming-for-you script that has worked so well for them politically in the past. But to admit that it might have been Omar Mateen’s anti-gay beliefs that motivated this this is political poison.
After all, it’s not just fundamentalist Islam that is anti-gay. Fundamentalist Christianity is, too, [see comments of Pastor Roger Jimenez, above, for example] and if anti-gay religious teachings can cause a Muslim to reach for his gun, they can surely do the same to a Christian. Indeed, hate crimes against LGBT people are common in this country, and most of them are not being committed by Muslims.
All of which, in turn, is going to make it a lot harder for conservatives to demagogue against gay rights to rally the troops. If this is a homophobic crime, then it’s a testament to how anti-gay rhetoric can inspire horrific violence. Conservatives are still smarting over how the racist church shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, resulted in the nation turning against those who fly the Confederate flag. There can be little doubt that this crime will lead to a similar darkening of attitudes against those who persist in spewing prejudice against LGBT Americans.
But any lingering possibility that Pulse was randomly chosen as a target by Mateen is falling apart. Early reports from his father and ex-wife indicate he was homophobic. Now there’s evidence that the problem ran much deeper than that. Multiple people from the Orlando area are stepping forward to say that Mateen was a regular at Pulse and that they interacted with him on gay dating apps like Grindr and Jack’d.
“We went to a few gay bars with him, and I was not out at the time, so I declined his offer,” a former classmate of his told the Palm Beach Post. Mateen’s ex-wife gave ambiguous answers to questions about whether her husband had an interest in same-sex relations.
So far, there’s no photographs or screenshots proving that Mateen was a regular at Pulse or on gay dating apps, but there are reports that some phones have been turned over to the FBI. The FBI has confirmed that they believe Mateen had been to Pulse, but will only go on the record suggesting he was there to case the place.
Without a smoking gun, it’s hard to say for 100% what was going on here, but all this evidence points strongly to the possibility that Mateen had some self-loathing issues going on that he projected onto men who lived more unapologetically queer lives. Add to it the multiple reports about him being awkward and disliked by others, especially gay men who encountered him, and a picture starts to build of someone who was acting on his sexual resentments more than someone who had some well-articulated devotion to the ISIS caliphate.
This interpretation grows in strength with evidence suggesting that Mateen only had a vague idea of what ISIS even is, claiming as he did to both be a member of ISIS and of Hezbollah, even though the two groups are fighting each other in Syria. That’s like pledging your allegiance to both the Soviets and the Nazis during WWII; it suggests you have no idea what either group is trying to do..."
Religious anti-gay beliefs and rhetoric are responsible for this slaughter, both Islamic and christian.
Let's not underestimate the right wing christian contribution to this tragedy - the killer was American, grew up in the U.S. and was inundated with anti-gay christian dogma in particular since the right to gay marriage was recognized a year ago. The anti-gay christian right has been on a tear since then demonizing LGBT people at every turn.
How Chick-fil-A responded to the Orlando massacre is warming hearts and changing minds
"Chick-fil-A, which has been criticized often for its owner's well-documented stance on gay marriage, has warmed hearts with its response to the Orlando massacre that left 49 people dead.
Although it is not known how many, various franchises near Orlando stayed open on Sunday — when the restaurant chain normally shutters its doors — to provide food and aid to people in need, many of whom were waiting in line to donate blood or enforcing the law, according to FOX 5.
One location at University Blvd. lowered the American flag to half-staff and displayed the message "Pray for Orlando. God Bless the USA."
The location at C470 and Kipling followed suit.
"Today we fly our flag at half-staff as a mark of respect for the victims of the act of hatred and terror perpetrated yesterday in Orlando, Florida. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families during this heartbreaking time! #PrayforOrlando," this franchise posted on Facebook.
More than a few people thanked Chick-fil-A on social media.
A few posts really stood out."
Although Wyatt/bad anonymous claims everyone's mind is made up about gays and unchangeable its clear that in the States the battle for hears and minds is being won by the good guys.
"Let's not underestimate the right wing christian contribution to this tragedy"
which was zero
"the killer was American, grew up in the U.S. and was inundated with anti-gay christian dogma"
actually, he was raised by radicalized Afghan immigrants who publicly supported the Taliban
not surprising he turned out this way
just think, if his Muslim parents had not been allowed entry into this country, a place whose values they vehemently abhorred, 50 more homosexuals would be alive today
if people want to come settle in America, the minimum requirement should be to support our legal and social compacts
Muslims who are faithful to their religion don't
"in particular since the right to gay marriage was recognized a year ago. The anti-gay christian right has been on a tear since then demonizing LGBT people at every turn"
you obviously haven't been around many churches lately
you sound like someone whose entire life revolves around a vicarious experience on the internet while slumping on your couch
"How Chick-fil-A responded to the Orlando massacre is warming hearts and changing minds
"Chick-fil-A, which has been criticized often for its owner's well-documented stance on gay marriage, has warmed hearts with its response to the Orlando massacre that left 49 people dead.
Although it is not known how many, various franchises near Orlando stayed open on Sunday — when the restaurant chain normally shutters its doors — to provide food and aid to people in need, many of whom were waiting in line to donate blood or enforcing the law, according to FOX 5.
One location at University Blvd. lowered the American flag to half-staff and displayed the message "Pray for Orlando. God Bless the USA.""
the gay lunatic advocates fantasize that Chik-Fil-A has come through some profound experience and turned their back on some former horrible behavior
truth is they were always magnanimous and charitable toward gays even as the gay leadership attacked them and tried to put them out of business
the evidence is building that the shooter was gay and had been rejected by other gays
so, the trigger may have been simply some snippy "mean girl" homosexuals rejecting this gay and him wanting to strike in revenge
how ironic, after the bombast coming from lunatic fringe gay advocates the last few days
Yeah, or he might be like you hanging around a pro gay (web)site for years spewing your hatred for gays.
Do you derive pleasure from doing that year after year?
sounds like a last gasp reaction
I'll consider my point confirmed
btw, I have no hatred for gays
sorry if that disappoints you
I disagree with the idea that homosexuality is normal and harmless
but I have no particular animus toward those who have been deluded by the idea
the broader issue I have with this blog is that they are emblematic of a liberal position that has polarized our country over the last decade or so- that all liberal opinion is derived from empirical science and "factual"
U.S. Southern Baptists Formally Repudiate Confederate Flag
The FBI placed Orlando shooter Omar Mateen, 29, on its terrorist watch list in 2013 after co-workers reported that he had made “inflammatory comments” they felt showed his sympathies for terrorist groups.
When agents questioned him, they determined that Mateen “had not broken any laws,” and closed the investigation. In Obama’s America, it’s not illegal to declare your sympathies for radical Islamic terrorist groups - even repeatedly and vehemently, as Mateen’s co-workers claim was the case - because radical Islamic terrorism doesn’t exist. So the FBI took him off the watchlist.
In 2014, the FBI came back for a second try. This time, they found that Mateen had been in contact with an American who had traveled to Syria, joined ISIS and volunteered for jihad, blowing himself up in a homicide bombing.
An FBI official told reporters that they closed that investigation “because they concluded the contacts with the suicide bomber had been minimal.” Once again, they took him off the terror watchlist.
Now, obviously no rational American wants the FBI arresting people because of their opinions, even though the Obama Justice Department and several Attorneys General are trying very hard to criminalize as “hate speech” anyone who cites scientific data showing that man-made global warming isn’t happening.
But when the FBI investigates the same individual for suspected terrorist ties twice in two years, you would think they might conduct an undercover investigation to learn more.
Remember: they hadn’t investigated Mateen twice because he was a Muslim. They investigated him because he exhibited behavior that suggested he might pose a potential threat. Despite this, they were not allowed to push that investigation further, because of political correctness.
This is not the first time that innocent Americans have died because of political correctness.
Just days after the San Bernardino shootings last December, we learned that the Department of Homeland Security had shut down an intelligence-based screening program that had identified the mosque shooter Syed Farook attended as a recruitment center for jihadis.
Had DHS been allowed to continue using that screening program and pursue its investigation of the mosque, they would have stumbled upon Syed Farook and arguably could have prevented a massacre of American innocents.
Instead, they fired the intelligence analyst who devised the program, Phil Haney, and ordered all the data he had uncovered about jihadi recruiting centers destroyed because it offended President Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood advisors, who worked hard to eliminate all such law enforcement programs on the pretence they were “offensive” to Muslims.
Political correctness kills.
President Obama acknowledged the Orlando massacre as a terrorist attack in his initial comments to the nation. But once again, he refused to utter the words “radical Islamic terrorism” or even “radical Islam.” For the Commander-in-Chief to describe the enemy simply by his tactic, in this case terrorism, ignores the reality of warfare.
Fox News reported on Monday that U.S. intelligence officials now realize that Mateen travelled to Saudi Arabia in 2011 to perform the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca. He made a second trip to the Saudi kingdom again in 2012. Apparently, the FBI never asked him about those trips, and if he happened to mention them, they could not follow up, because they involved his “faith.”
In her response to the terror attack, Hillary Clinton treated Mateen as a “lone wolf,” as if his pledge of allegiance to ISIS was unimportant. She then warned about stigmatizing Muslims, claiming that “hate crimes” against Muslims had tripled in the aftermath of the San Bernardino attacks.
Just what were those hate crimes? Reportedly, there were 21 threats, 15 assaults of various types, 11 cases of “criminal mischief,” and 2 arsons. Certainly, not good.
Unlike attacks by Muslims against Christians and Jews (and other Muslims), however, there were no honor killings, no murders, no knifings or maimings, and just one alleged firearms offense, which apparently has never been verified.
FBI statistics on hate crimes since 2012 have shown at least five times as many reports of hate crimes against Jews than against Muslims – a detail that Muslim Brotherhood advocates and apologists would have us ignore.
“We need to tell the truth about radical Islam and we need to do it now,” Donald Trump proclaimed just minutes after Mrs. Clinton finished her speech. “I refuse to be politically correct.”
When it comes to defeating the terrorists who seek to kill as many of us as they can, this is a real choice: one candidate who pledges to continue President Obama’s politically correct -- and deadly -- fantasy world, or one who tells the truth.
that's what's so great about this blog
there's always someone to cut through the crap!!
Here’s What Happened When A Terrorist Attacked LGBT People In A Country With Strict Gun Laws
Thanks for the article from the local loser and Benghazi believer.
"Timmerman is a Donald Trump supporter, and was the 2012 Republican nominee in Maryland's 8th congressional district. He is the author of Deception: The Making of the YouTube Video Hillary & Obama Blamed for Benghazi, forthcoming from Post Hill Press in July."
have you ever been to Israel?
guns are everywhere
virtually everyone has served in the military and has one
they carry them around and are very visible in any public setting
basically, their laws forbid the sale to Palestinians
are you in favor of forbidding their sale to non-citizen Muslims in the U.S.?
I don't think there'd be a constitutional problem
"Thanks for the article from the local loser and Benghazi believer.
"Timmerman is a Donald Trump supporter, and was the 2012 Republican nominee in Maryland's 8th congressional district. He is the author of Deception: The Making of the YouTube Video Hillary & Obama Blamed for Benghazi,"
so, you deem anyone whose lost an election "A LOSER"?
must explain our last two Secretaries of State, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton
Hill & Barry did indeed lie about the motivation for the Benghazi attack, causing an outburst of Muslim street violence globally
one of their many crimes against humanity
Several furious posts from Wyatt/bad anonymous. He's obviously really upset about how obvious it is that Christian bigotry like his is responsible for creating monsters like this.
In this thread Wyatt/bad anonymous condones executing people for being gay.
"in the U.S., you can be executed for doing nothing in Iran, you have to commit a serious crime, like homosexuality"
He'd like people to believe being christian means you're automatically a good person but look at all the christians posted who were delighted that over 100 LGBT people and their allies were killed and wounded. Here's another one, christian leader Pat Robertson is also pleased at the slaughter.
I don't believe being a christian automatically makes you a bad person but Wyatt/bad anonymous has repeatedly said being gay automatically makes you mentally ill and destructive. I don't believe people who believe differently from me should be put to death for it or punished in anyway and I'm happy to acknowledge that many christians are good people. But just like ISIS and the Orlando Shooter Wyatt/bad anonymous believes gays should be put to death for not following his religious beliefs. The only difference between Wyatt and them is that has only attacked gays verbally rather than physically (that we know of).
25 violent attacks on gay bars almost all by christians
"Several furious posts"
funny, I just looked back and the last few posts seemed to be from someone more bemused than angry
if you want to see what anger looks like, check out Obama flying off the handle at Donald J Trump yesterday
if only he could work up that kind of ire over Islamic terrorists
his first priority every time an attack occurs is to lecture us on bigotry against muslims and to call for eliminating the second amendment to the Constitution
"He's obviously really upset about how obvious it is that Christian bigotry like his is responsible for creating monsters like this"
actually, the most likely cause was homosexual rejection
gays don't handle rejection well and often lash out
"condones executing people for being gay.
"in the U.S., you can be executed for doing nothing in Iran, you have to commit a serious crime, like homosexuality""
I'm not in favor of illegalization of homosexuality, much less making it a capital crime
as I've said repeatedly, I have libertarian inclinations
Priya doesn't recognize humor when seen
probably thinks Alice Cooper is really a witch
taking everything literally and having a chip on your shoulder is one of the main reasons gays in school get bullied
they never learn out to engage in the normal banter of life
"He'd like people to believe being christian means you're automatically a good person"
that would actually be a contradiction of Christian doctrine and I don't think I've ever heard anonymous say or imply that
he does think he's very smart though
matter of fact, i don't think I've ever heard him say he was a Christian
"but look at all the christians posted who were delighted that over 100 LGBT people and their allies were killed and wounded. Here's another one, christian leader Pat Robertson is also pleased at the slaughter"
the problem is that Christians are very tolerant so you'll find all sorts of opinions among people calling themselves Christians
anyone who is pleased with his slaughter needs to repent, at the least
"being gay automatically makes you mentally ill and destructive"
true, but that's true of all kinds of sinful behavior
homosexuality is far from the worst
"I don't believe people who believe differently from me should be put to death for it"
of course you don't
you're not Muslim
"The only difference is that he has only attacked gays verbally rather than physically"
the idea that words are the equivalence of violence is a symptomatic fallacy of postmodernist thinking
congratulations
you've read a lot of propaganda on the internet
go on out and reacquaint yourself with the sun
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "I have no hatred for gays".
An obvious lie given your constant lies about and demonization of gays and condoning the imprisonment and execution of them. You hate them just like you hate yourself for giving in to temptation and engaging in anonymous sexual encounters with men in order to hide your orientation.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "the evidence is building that the shooter was gay and had been rejected by other gays so, the trigger may have been simply some snippy "mean girl" homosexuals rejecting this gay and him wanting to strike in revenge".
Obviously not. His co-workers, his father, and his wife said he was full of anti-gay animus. Just like Wyatt he identified with his anti-gay religious upbringing and sought to attack the part of himself he couldn't accept by attacking the open and happy gays he resented for not living in the closet and hating themselves like he did. Anti-gay religious rhetoric like Wyatt promotes messed up his mind and made him want to attack gays in an attempt to win the approval of bigots.
I said "The only difference is that he has only attacked gays verbally rather than physically"
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "the idea that words are the equivalence of violence is a symptomatic fallacy of postmodernist thinking".
I never said they were equivalent, in fact I said they were different
You're the same as Isis and the killer in that you think gays should be killed for not following your religion.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "I'm not in favor of illegalization of homosexuality, much less making it a capital crime as I've said repeatedly, I have libertarian inclinations Priya doesn't recognize humor when seen".
The last time you tried to justify codoning the imprisonment and execution of gays you said you condoned it because being gay was synonymous with having sex in public and that gays should be imprisoned or executed because they all had public sex.
Let's put aside the idea that its an apropriate punishment for public sex to imprison or execute people and note that you assert that gays are guilty merely by virtue of the the fact of being gay - an obviously disgusting and unjust attitude, but then of course that's typical of your attitude towards gays.
Obviously you weren't joking, you tried to defend your condoning of the imprisonment and execution of people just for being gay. Your hatred of yourself and gays cannot be denied.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "you've read a lot of propaganda on the internet go on out and reacquaint yourself with the sun".
I speak the truth and you can't handle it, hence your constant attempts to attack the part of yourself you can't accept by attacking the open and happy gays you resent. Stop posting on the internet during your work day and shirking the work your paid to do.
Its hilarious that Wyatt/bad anonymous tells me to "and reacquaint[sic] yourself with the sun" when he spends far more time than I do posting on the internet while he's at work.
What a hypocrite!
Priya, you follow this advice
your perception of realty is distorted from too much vicariousness
it's a beautiful world God has made
get off your arse and experience it
"Unlike any previous Republican presidential nominee, Donald Trump is casting himself as a champion of gay rights.
Mr. Trump suggests he is a better friend to the gay community than Mrs. Clinton because his proposed ban on Muslim immigrants would block antigay Islamic extremists. The suspected shooter at the gay nightclub was born in New York to anti-American Afghan immigrants.
“Thank you to the LGBT community!” Mr. Trump posted on Twitter on Tuesday, two days after the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, referring to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals. “I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.”
Mr. Trump referred to Islamic State fighters throwing men they think are gay off tall buildings. “I’m much better for gays,” Mr. Trump said, comparing himself with Mrs. Clinton.
After opposing gay marriage for much of her political career, Mrs. Clinton announced her support in 2013.
Gregory Angelo, the president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay Republican group, called Mr. Trump’s overtures “a historic turning point.” Many other Republicans, he said, “tiptoed around the targets of this horrific violence.”
“Never before has a Republican presidential nominee so much as mentioned the LGBT community, let alone lavished such praise upon us,” Mr. Angelo said.
Mr. Trump has talked little about gay rights during his campaign, but many activists view him as quietly friendly—especially compared with former rivals such as Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.
Mr. Trump rarely mentions his opposition to same-sex marriage on the campaign trail. In a speech at last week’s Faith and Freedom Coalition conference, Mr. Trump said “Marriage and family as the building block of happiness and success” but didn’t say anything about same-sex unions specifically.
In an interview with The Advocate magazine, the New York businessman said he supported gays serving openly in the military service and a domestic-partnership law. Mr. Trump also backed amending the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include discrimination based on sexual orientation.
“Amending the Civil Rights Act would grant the same protection to gay people that we give to other Americans—it’s only fair,” he said.
In April, after North Carolina passed a law requiring transgender people to use public bathrooms matching the sex on their birth certificates, Mr. Trump said on NBC News that people should “use the bathroom they feel is appropriate.” Later he said the question should be left to the states.
Mr. Trump’s position isn’t in doubt on same-sex marriage, which he has long opposed. He also told the American Principles Project, a conservative group, that he would back legislation aimed at protecting institutions that oppose gay marriage from losing tax-exempt status. “I will certainly sign legislation that protects religious liberty for all,” Mr. Trump wrote to the group last year.
Leading social conservatives defended opposing certain pro-gay measures while expressing concern over the carnage at the Orlando nightclub.
"We’re all Americans,’’ said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. “We can disagree over policies and choices and lifestyles, but no one should live in fear in this country of being gunned down by a terrorist.”
"Donald Trump is casting himself as a champion of gay rights."
Brought to us by a lying liar at the WSJ.
Trump can cast himself as whatever he wants but the gay community knows he is not their champion.
Far from it:
GOP Frontrunner Donald Trump Vows to Undo Nationwide Marriage Equality
""It has been ruled upon. It has been there. If I’m elected I would be very strong in putting certain judges on the bench that maybe could change things, but they have a long way to go," he said on Fox News Sunday. "I disagree with the court in that it should have been a states' rights issue.""
Trump: I Would ‘Strongly Consider’ Appointing Judges To Overturn Same-Sex Marriage
No, Donald Trump Has Never Supported Same-Sex Marriage
Donald Trump Pressed On How ‘Traditional’ His 3 Marriages Are
"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump didn’t have much of an answer on Sunday when pressed about how he squares his own marriage history with his opposition to same-sex marriage.
CNN “State of the Union” host Jake Tapper asked the business mogul to respond to criticisms over the twice-divorced Trump touting “traditional marriage.”
“What do you say to a lesbian who’s married, or a gay man who is married, who says, ‘Donald Trump, what’s traditional about being married three times?’” Tapper asked in a taped interview, which the host said was conducted ahead of the Supreme Court’s ruling Friday against bans on same-sex marriage.
Trump didn’t argue with the question, saying the hypothetical lesbian or gay man would “have a very good point.”
He said his divorces were more about the fact that he worked too much, even though his two previous wives “were very good” and he is currently in “a great marriage.”
“I blame myself because my business was so powerful for me,” Trump said. “I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.”
Tapper asked him again what he would say to a lesbian or gay man who was married and pressed him on traditional marriage.
“I really don’t say anything,” Trump said. “I am just, Jake, I’m for traditional marriage.”"
"Trump can cast himself as whatever he wants but the gay community knows he is not their champion"
he didn't claim to champion homosexuality
he said he would protect them better than Hillary
"Far from it:"
you seem to be fixated on one issue: gay "marriage"
Trump said he favors civil partnerships
well, you may want that but he's still better for gays than chilly Hillary
The Orlando massacre is a hideous reminder to Americans that homophobia is an integral part of Islamic extremism. That isn’t to say that some people of other faiths and ideologies aren’t hostile to members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, or LGBT, community. Nor is to say that Islamic extremists don’t target other minorities, in addition to engaging in wholly indiscriminate violence. But it is important to establish why a man like Omar Mateen could be motivated to murder 49 people in a gay nightclub, interrupting the slaughter, as law-enforcement officials reported, to dial 911, proclaim his support for Islamic State and then pray to Allah.
I offer an explanation in the form of four propositions.
1. Muslim homophobia is institutionalized. Islamic law as derived from scripture, and as evolved over several centuries, not only condemns but prescribes cruel and unusual punishments for homosexuality.
2. Many Muslim-majority countries have laws that criminalize and punish homosexuals in line with Islamic law.
3. It is thus not surprising that the attitudes of Muslims in Muslim-majority countries are homophobic and that many people from those countries take those attitudes with them when they migrate to the West.
4. The rise of modern Islamic extremism has worsened the intolerance toward homosexuality. Extremists don’t just commit violence against LGBT people. They also spread the prejudice globally by preaching that homosexuality is a disease and a crime.
Not all Muslims are homophobic. Many are gay or lesbian themselves. Some even have the courage to venture into the gender fluidity that the 21st century West has come to recognize. But these LGBT Muslims are running directly counter to their religion.
In his 2006 book “Crime and Punishment in Islamic Law,” the Dutch scholar Rudolph Peters notes that most schools of Islamic law proscribe homosexuality. They differ only on the mode of punishment. “The Malikites, the Shiites and some Shafi’ites and Hanbalites are of the opinion that the penalty is death, either by stoning (Malikites), the sword (some Shafi’ites and Hanbalites) or, at the discretion of the court, by killing the culprit in the usual manner with a sword, stoning him, throwing him from a (high) wall or burning him (Shiites).”
Under Shariah—Islamic law—those engaging in same-sex sexual acts can be sentenced to death in nearly a dozen countries or in large areas of them: Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, the northern states of Nigeria, southern parts of Somalia, two provinces in Indonesia, Mauritania, Afghanistan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates. Death is also the penalty in the territories in northern Iraq and Syria controlled by ISIS.
Iran is notorious for hanging men accused of homosexual behavior. The Associated Press reports that since 2014 ISIS has executed at least 30 people in Syria and Iraq for being homosexual, including three men who were dropped from the top of a 100-foot building in Mosul in June 2015.
No fewer than 40 out of 57 Muslim-majority countries or territories have laws that criminalize homosexuality, prescribing punishments ranging from fines and short jail sentences to whippings and more than 10 years in prison or death.
These countries’ laws against homosexuality align with the attitudes of the overwhelming majority of their populations. In 2013 the Pew Research Center surveyed the beliefs of Muslims in 36 countries with a significant Muslim population or majority, including asking about their views of homosexuality. In 33 out of the 36 countries, more than 75% of those surveyed answered that homosexuality was “morally wrong,” and in only three did more than 10% of those surveyed believe that homosexuality was “morally acceptable.”
In many Muslim-majority countries—including Afghanistan, where Omar Mateen’s parents came from—LGBT people face as much danger from their families or vigilantes as they do from the authorities.
Perhaps not surprisingly, Islamic extremists condemn homosexuality in the strongest possible terms. The Middle East Media Research Institute reported in 2006 that when Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, one of the world’s leading Sunni clerics and chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, was asked how gay people should be punished, he replied: “Some say we should throw them from a high place, like God did with the people of Sodom. Some say we should burn them, and so on. There is disagreement. . . . The important thing is to treat this act as a crime.”
Such ideas travel. In 2009 Anjem Choudary, an infamous London imam and self-proclaimed “judge of the Shariah Court of the U.K.,” stated in a press conference that all homosexuals should be stoned to death. Here in the U.S., Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America, has written: “Homosexuality is a moral disorder. It is a moral disease, a sin and corruption . . . No person is born homosexual, just like no one is born a thief, a liar or murderer. People acquire these evil habits due to a lack of proper guidance and education.”
Farrokh Sekaleshfar, a Shiite cleric educated in London, declared of homosexuality in 2013: “Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this. Death is the sentence.” He was speaking at the Husseini Islamic Center outside Orlando. Yes, Orlando. He spoke there again in April.
These men express their hostility toward the LGBT community only verbally, but the Orlando attack was hardly the first manifestation in the U.S. of Islamist antigay violence. During a New Year’s Eve celebration in the first hours of 2014, Musab Masmari tried to set fire to a gay nightclub in Seattle; he is serving 10 years in prison on federal arson charges. Law-enforcement officials say that Ali Muhammad Brown, an ISIS supporter who is now in prison for armed robbery, also faces charges for terrorism and four murders, including the 2014 execution of two men in Seattle outside of a gay nightclub.
Following the horrific attack in Orlando, people as usual have been rushing to judgment. President Obama blames lax gun laws. Donald Trump blames immigration. Neither is right. There has been comparable carnage in countries with strict gun laws. The perpetrator in this case was born in the United States. This is not primarily about guns or immigration. It is about a deeply dangerous ideology that is infiltrating American society in the guise of religion. Homophobia comes in many forms. But none is more dangerous in our time than the Islamic version.
Ms. Hirsi Ali, a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School,
Well if it were true that Hillary wants to allow "TERRORISTS" into our country, he might have a point, but his statement is full of shitty lies.
Let's look at what Teleprompterless Trump actually said:
“Hillary Clinton can never claim to be a friend of the gay community as long as she continues to support immigration policies that bring Islamic extremists to our country who suppress women, gays and anyone who doesn’t share their views,” Trump said in a national security address in New Hampshire.
“She can’t claim to be supportive of these communities while trying to increase the number of people coming in who want to oppress them,” he continued.
“Ask yourself,” he added, “who is really the friend of women and the LGBT community: Donald Trump with his actions, or Hillary Clinton with her words? Clinton wants to allow radical Islamic terrorists to pour into our country — they enslave women and murder gays. I don’t want them in our country.”
Hillary has never advocated for brining in "Islamic extremists" or "radical Islamic terrorists" so like so many others of Teleprompterless Trump's statements, this one starts and ends with a lie.
Allowing refugees to come to the land of the free would be the christian thing to do.
There was even a time, not so long ago in September 2015, when Der Drumpf said, "I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to,"
Here it is: The United States should take in some refugees from Syria, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Tuesday night.
"I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to," Trump said in his first Fox News appearance in two weeks, appearing on "The O'Reilly Factor."
He changes his views of so many things so often, who knows what he'll be saying by September 2016?
"Well if it were true that Hillary wants to allow "TERRORISTS" into our country"
obviously, she doesn't want to
his argument is she wants to follow policies that will have that result
just as obvious, since she favors Obama policies, Trump is right
"his argument is she wants to follow policies that will have that result
just as obvious, since she favors Obama policies, Trump is right"
Have you read his speech?
Here's a link to the transcript of his speech.
Der Drumpf mentions Obama five times as follows:
1. "The Obama administration, with the support of Hillary Clinton and others, has also damaged our security by restraining our intelligence gathering and we have, just, no intelligence gathering information. "
2. "We don’t have the support of the law enforcement system because Obama is not letting them do their job."
3. "Nearly a year ago, the Senate Subcommittee asked President Obama’s Department of Justice, State and Homeland Security to provide the immigration history of all terrorists inside the United States. "
4. "President Obama must release the full and complete immigration histories of all individuals implicated in terrorist activities of any kind since September 11th. "
5. "Pretty much like we did with communism during the Cold War. We tried it President Obama’s way, doesn’t work. "
Let us know when you find the parts of Trump's speech that support your BS claims.
< crickets chirping >
"...Some of Trump’s most ardent backers defended his response to the Orlando attack, saying drastic measures were needed to keep the nation safe. But most Republicans on Capitol Hill tried to distance themselves from Trump’s comments following the terrorist attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando that killed at least 49 people. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) refused to respond to questions about Trump at his weekly news conference.
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.) denounced Trump for trying to rally support for his anti-Muslim policies, while others castigated Trump for the accusations he has lobbed at Obama.
“I do not think a Muslim ban is in our country’s interest,” Ryan told reporters. “I do not think it is reflective of our principles, not just as a party but as a country.” He called for “a security test, not a religious test” for immigrants...
...Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who has praised Trump at times for his willingness to shake up politics and recently met with the mogul, expressed serious unease Tuesday with how Trump responded to a national tragedy.
“Traditionally, it is a time when people rally around our country, and it’s obviously not what’s occurred, and it’s very disappointing,” Corker said.
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a leading national security hawk, said he had “run out of adjectives” for Trump. “I don’t think he has the judgment or the temperament, the experience to deal with what we are facing,” said Graham, who does not currently support the mogul.
Graham, like other Republicans, took issue with Trump’s apparent suggestions in Monday interviews that Obama may identify with the radical Muslim terrorists. Obama “either is not tough, not smart, or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump told Fox News.
Trump expanded on that Tuesday, saying in an emailed response to questions from the Associated Press: “President Obama claims to know our enemy, and yet he continues to prioritize our enemy over our allies and, for that matter, the American people.”
Graham said that Trump “seems to be suggesting that the president is one of ‘them.’ I find that highly offensive. I find that whole line of reasoning way off base. My problems with President Obama are his policy choices.”
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who faces a challenging reelection bid, also called Trump’s insinuations about Obama “offensive.”...
...Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), an Air National Guard major and leading House GOP voice on national security issues, broke sharply with Trump.
“I guess I appreciate Mr. Trump’s fieriness in talking about it, but you don’t do it by alienating the very people that we need, and those are moderate Muslims,” he said. “We have to use the folks that frankly are not radicalized, which is the vast majority of Muslims, to win this war.”..."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-republicans-join-obama-in-condemning-trumps-words/2016/06/14/fb1619c0-325e-11e6-95c0-2a6873031302_story.html
"But most Republicans on Capitol Hill tried to distance themselves from Trump’s comments following the terrorist attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando that killed at least 49 people. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) refused to respond to questions about Trump at his weekly news conference."
a new little game the press is playing is that they lie about something Trump said and then ask a Republican politician to comment on the fallacious statement
in the McConnell news conference you refer to above, they asked "Do you agree with Donald Trump's statement that Barack Obama is sympathetic to terrorists?"
problem is Trump never said that
to counter this, McConnell and Ryan have decided not to answer daily questions about whether they agree with the supposed Trump statement of the day
"The real muslims will never accept the filthy way of the west,"
Omar Mateen
Wyatt/bad anonymous claimed he doesn't hate gays. He says when he condoned the execution of gays he was just joking.
People who don't hate gays don't joke about their execution.
Obviously Wyatt/bad anonymous has a deep seated hatred of gays. He resents open and happy gays for not repressing themselves like he does.
Wyatt/bad anonymous wants to pretend its Islam that is to blame for this. The reality is that anti-gay religious teachings are responsible for this.
The shooter's self-loathing was created by anti-gay religious teachings. He struggled to reject his same sex attractions like so many religious gays do by marrying a woman and having children. Teaching gay men to reject who they are can create self-loathing monsters.
Anti-gay Christian dogma is just as destructive as anti-gay Islamic dogma.
Almost every one of the dozens and dozens of violent attacks on gay bars in the U.S. were carried out by Christians, some who were without a doubt messed up by struggling to reject their own same sex attractions just like Christianity taught them to do.
Anti-gay religious teachings are the problem.
""The real muslims will never accept the filthy way of the west,"
Omar Mateen
"No more baby parts."
Robert Lewis Dear
If Islam is responsible for what one crazy Muslim did, then Christianity is responsible for what one crazy Christian did.
Amid a push to tighten gun laws in America following the gruesome slaughter in Orlando this past weekend, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton offered tough words for the gun lobby and mocking ones for her GOP opponent.
In a Wednesday interview with The Huffington Post, Clinton argued that she and others had essentially forced Donald Trump to consider legislation that would prevent those on the terrorist watch list from being able to buy firearms. Trump said earlier in the day that he planned to meet with the National Rifle Association to discuss its opposition to the proposal.
“Welcome to the cause,” said Clinton. “This is something I’ve been talking about for a long time. Look, the NRA and the other gun lobby members should be moving rapidly to work with Congress on this legislation. I know members of Congress, hopefully on both sides of the aisle, are beginning to look to see if they can pass this. And I fully support it.”
The proposal is not without controversy, however, and not just among gun rights advocates. Civil libertarians have expressed concern that the terrorist watch list is too broad — and includes many who don’t belong on it — and shouldn’t be used to deny individuals their constitutional rights.
Clinton called that argument a “rhetorical trap that the gun lobby tries to set, basically claiming if you can’t stop every shooting, every incident, you shouldn’t try to stop any.” She said the proposal was “common sense,” adding that “the idea that this would impact law-abiding gun owners is wrong and it is intended to serve as a distraction.” If there were due process concerns, she said, they could be adjudicated and taken into account on a case-by-case basis.
The proposal for tighter gun restrictions was one of several that Clinton touted as a comprehensive response to the Orlando shooting, which left 50 people dead and dozens injured. She also called for the establishment of a SWAT team dedicated to detecting and preventing lone wolf terror attacks, fusion centers to integrate information among law enforcement agencies, better communication between intelligence professionals and law enforcement officials, and closer collaboration with tech companies.
Trump’s proposed ban on Muslims entering this country would be both “counterproductive” and “dangerous,” Clinton stated.
“That just plays into ISIS’s hand. You know, part of the radical jihadist recruitment strategy is to convince would-be recruits here at home and around the world that there is a clash of civilizations,” she said. “I think most Americans really do understand that.”...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-no-fly-list_us_5761701de4b09c926cfdb674
"People who don't hate gays don't joke about their execution"
actually, some pompous and ignorant windbag starts making baseless assertions, the best thing to do is to mock and satirize them
in case you don't get it, moron, that's you
"He resents open and happy gays for not repressing themselves like he does"
I've met open gays
they generally don't appear very happy
"pretend its Islam that is to blame for this. The reality is that anti-gay religious teachings are responsible for this."
see, here's the kind of ignorance I'm talking about
this killer couldn't have been any clearer that he was committing this act in the name of Islam
radical Muslims around the world are affirming him and celebrating
you could speculate that he was using that as an excuse and had other incentives, like cruel rejection by prissy homosexuals
but that would just be pretending
"The shooter's self-loathing was created by anti-gay religious teachings. He struggled to reject his same sex attractions like so many religious gays do by marrying a woman and having children. Teaching gay men to reject who they are can create self-loathing monsters."
if he was gay, it is just as likely that his anger was not due to being closeted but by his rejection by a vicious gay culture that he was trying to get involved with
as long as we are pretending that Priya can read minds, that is more likely than the "self-loathing" theory
"Anti-gay Christian dogma is just as destructive as anti-gay Islamic dogma"
it's destructive of the idea of gay normality and normativeness but it aims to rescue gays from bondage to sin as opposed to Islam, which is focused on executing judgment
"Almost every one of the dozens and dozens of violent attacks on gay bars in the U.S. were carried out by Christians,"
how about a couple of examples?
"Anti-gay religious teachings are the problem"
they are to the devil
""No more baby parts."
Robert Lewis Dear
If Islam is responsible for what one crazy Muslim did, then Christianity is responsible for what one crazy Christian did."
while not a wise strategy, Dear was trying to stop the murder of innocent children
a little different but, hopefully, yes, he was informed in his beliefs about the sanctity of life by his Christian beleifs
"In a Wednesday interview with The Huffington Post, Clinton argued that she and others had essentially forced Donald Trump to consider legislation that would prevent those on the terrorist watch list from being able to buy firearms. Trump said earlier in the day that he planned to meet with the National Rifle Association to discuss its opposition to the proposal."
what a laugh
Clinton trying to claim credit
routinely, whenever one of these tragedies occur, Obama and Clinton come out calling for a general ban on guns and nothing happens
now, in the wake of this, Trump says that if we can ban suspected terrorists in the country from buying guns that makes sense
a sensible and doable proposal
and he is going to the NRA and lining up a bipartisan coalition on Capitol Hill
just a preview of what an effective presidency will be like
one that doesn't make every tragedy an opportunity to propose extremism
and, now, Democrats are desperately trying to claim credit
after it became clear what Trump was doing, they started a filibuster to make it look like they created the whole thing
ha-ha
"in the McConnell news conference you refer to above, they asked "Do you agree with Donald Trump's statement that Barack Obama is sympathetic to terrorists?"
problem is Trump never said that"
What a liar! He's even doubled down on it.
Trump says he was ‘right’ about Obama and terrorists, citing questionable 2012 intelligence cable
"Just two days after Donald Trump implied that President Obama sympathized with terrorists, provoking a backlash that included members of his own party, the presumed Republican presidential nominee declared himself “right,” based on a published report claiming administration “support” for the Islamic State.
In a post to his Twitter account early Wednesday, Trump said “Media fell all over themselves criticizing what Donald Trump ‘may have insinuated’ ” about Obama. “But he’s right,” it said, linking to a story published by the conservative website Breitbart News.
The story was based on a declassified 2012 cable written by a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) official, addressed to about two dozen military and national security agencies and officials, including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Labeled as “information report, not finally evaluated intelligence,” it refers to “the general situation” in Iraq and Syria in the early days of the armed insurgency against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
It describes al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the Islamic State precursor, as part of the anti-Assad opposition, and notes that opposition forces fighting in eastern Syria are backed by “Western countries, the [Persian] Gulf states and Turkey.”
But the document appears to be an initial intake of spot intelligence from the early days of the Syrian civil war. That intelligence had not yet been vetted or verified. Trump’s embrace of Breitbart’s interpretation of the cable fits a pattern of careless handling and circulation of facts, particularly in the realm of foreign policy. Such missteps have piqued concerns among foreign policy experts and Republican strategists about Trump’s understanding of complicated policy issues and his fitness for office.
“The main worry by those folks that I talk to in the national security and foreign policy universe is that he’s just winging it. And winging it . . . at this period in time is clearly dangerous,” said Kevin Madden, a veteran GOP strategist and former adviser to 2012 GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
“Some days I expect him to come out and say, ‘I’m not an expert on national security, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. Let me tell you what I think,’ ” Madden said.
There has been hesitation among foreign policy experts to join the Trump campaign or his transition team, at least partially born out of fear that aligning themselves with Trump could damage their professional reputations...."
"and he is going to the NRA and lining up a bipartisan coalition on Capitol Hill"
We wish him good luck with that, however, The Hill reports Gun debate takes a dramatic turn
"Democrats found an unlikely ally in Donald Trump on Wednesday as they took over the Senate floor in a bid to pressure Republicans into passing legislation that would ban gun sales to suspected terrorists.
The filibuster in the Senate was led by Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who began holding down the floor Wednesday morning in a maneuver that was cheered by the left and embraced by the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton....
But it was Trump in particular — by vowing to meet with the National Rifle Association (NRA) to discuss stricter laws — who had the biggest impact, suggesting HE'D BREAK WITH HIS OWN PARTY TO SUPPORT GUN REFORMS CHAMPIONED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA. [emphasis added]
“I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns,” the GOP presidential candidate tweeted Wednesday morning.
Democrats for years have pushed such a bill — dubbed “No fly, no buy” — and some party leaders wasted little time hailing Trump’s potential endorsement.
“Welcome to the cause,” Clinton said, tongue-in-cheek, in an interview with The Huffington Post. “This is something I’ve been talking about for a long time.”
Republican leaders have long opposed the legislation, citing concerns shared by the NRA that it could undermine Second Amendment protections by preventing gun sales to those put on the terrorist list by mistake...."
"What a liar! He's even doubled down on it.""
well, you posted eight or nine paragraphs and have yet to produce a quote from trump saying Obama sympathized with terrorists
let us know if you ever find what you're pretending to have heard
“This is something I’ve been talking about for a long time.”
you've talked about that and a lot more, Shillary
but you and Barry can't get it done
Trump will
"let us know if you ever find what you're pretending to have heard"
that enchanting summertime sound:
crickets chirping
Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump called Tuesday for rival Hillary Clinton to give back millions of dollars she accepted from countries that oppress women and gays.
"Here's a woman that takes all of this money from these countries and then she says she loves women. How can she be — they wanna kill, they throw them off buildings. They actually throw gays off buildings and she's taking money and I'm calling for her to give back all of the money she's taken form these countries," Trump said.
The former secretary of state has received approximately $30 million from Saudia Arabia, Qatar and Brunei. The trio of nations have various restrictions against women, including not being able to drive and vote.
Trump said Clinton is indebted to those governments because of how they have lined her pockets. The New York businessman said Clinton was "shamed into" denouncing those countries after his criticism of her following the Orlando terrorist attacks.
"They bought her off, she's paid off," Trump said. "I'm much better for women than she is. I'm much better for gays than she is."
On Tuesday, the New York Times released a stunning editorial blaming Sunday’s horrific Orlando terror attack on…wait for it…Republicans.
No, I’m not pulling your leg. “While the precise motivation for the rampage remains unclear”—more on that later—“it is evident that Mr. Mateen was driven by hatred toward gays and lesbians. Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain. Tragically, this is the state of American politics, driven too often by Republican politicians who see prejudice as something to exploit, not extinguish.”
This is strange, given that Omar Mateen, the now-infamous shooter at the Pulse nightclub, did not mention Republicans when called 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS and its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. According to the latest reports, he did not mention Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell when he called a local television station and declared the following: “I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State.” He did not rain down curses upon America’s roiling bathroom wars or even the scourge of supply-side economics when, terrified eyewitnesses reported, he said “he wanted America to stop bombing his country.”
Well, never mind all that. What do words even mean these days, anyway? “The 49 people killed in Orlando were victims of a terrorist attack,” the Times concludes, albeit reluctantly, given that 98 percent of its editorial blames Republicans instead, neglecting to mention that Mateen was a registered Democrat. “But they also need to be remembered as casualties of a society where hate has deep roots.”
Those “deep roots,” at least according to our friends at Salon, Rolling Stone, The New Republic, and a branch of Planned Parenthood Action, also include a special something called “toxic masculinity.” Mateen, at least according to this framework, was a catastrophic crockpot of conflicting prejudices, bigotries, societal corruptions, and, most importantly, a consistent hatred of women. ISIS, you see, was just a convenient smoke screen for Mateen’s real motives; in this view, no one could really believe any of that wild and crazy religious stuff too.
Yet another culprit, in case you missed it, has become a media darling of late: the AR-15, a rifle that many journalists pretend they know everything about (pro tip: most don’t) and that also, inconveniently, was not actually used in the Orlando attack. Mateen’s gun was a Sig Sauer MCX carbine, but that didn’t stop Newsweek, the Washington Post, and dozens of other media outlets from obsessively lunging at the AR-15, declaring it a “weapon that shoots off 700 rounds in a minute”—that would be Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson being wildly incorrect—and, by extension, demonizing the millions of law-abiding Americans who safely own this gun.
Eh, details, what do they matter? Meanwhile, in the wake of the nation’s worst mass shooting in history, CNN’s Anderson Cooper berated Florida’s attorney general for not tweeting about gay pride. On Facebook, popular evangelical blogger Jen Hatmaker scolded her fellow Christians for what she saw as hypocritical attempts to show post-Orlando love and compassion: “Anti-LGBTQ-sentiment has paved a long runway to hate crimes.”
President Obama, not to be outdone, subtly blamed America. We need to do some “soul searching,” he told the nation, sounding exhausted, adding that Americans need “the strength and courage to change.” The president was not, alas, talking about changing the FBI, which, under his own administration, was apparently quite aware of Mateen, interviewed him multiple times, and was even warned by Disney World that he was likely casing out an attack. No, no: “These lone actors or small cells are very hard to detect,” Obama told America, despite clear evidence otherwise, “and very hard to prevent.”
Donald Trump, for his part, predictably yelled about immigration and his proposed Muslim ban, despite the fact that Mateen was born in the United States. Trump also called out Obama for his studied refusal to say “radical Islam.” The president, clearly furious, lashed out: “What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change?”
Well, I can think of one thing that needs to change: The frenzied and absurd finger-pointing among Americans, at each other, in the wake of a horrific attack. If a turn of phrase can turn attention outward to the clear challenge of ISIS—and inward to our failed and cumbersome security apparatus, clearly unable to rise to this challenge—it would at least be a start.
this is a repeated phenomena, folks
whenever Priya gets confronted with truth, Priya flees
Priya doesn't need to refute obvious B.S.
Wyatt/bad anonymous's B.S. refutes itself.
I'm happy to let Wyatt/bad anonymous continue to make a fool of himself.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Anonymous is celebrating the fact that Der Drumpf is going to try to talk the NRA into joining with the majority of Americans who know it is possible to respect the Second Amendment AND have gun control.
"In the wake of the nation's deadliest mass shooting in Orlando, Florida, a new CBS News poll has found that a majority of Americans now support a nationwide ban on assault weapons.
The survey, conducted in the days following the massacre at a popular Orlando gay night club, shows 57 percent of Americans now favor such a ban. That's up from 44 percent in December, when the question was last asked in CBS News polling. Now, 38 percent of respondents oppose the legislation, compared to the 50 percent who opposed it in December.
Most Democrats -- 78 percent -- support an assault weapons ban, while only 18 percent oppose it. Half of Republican respondents oppose a ban, but about 45 percent are in favor of it. Independents remain split: About 47 percent back the ban, while 45 percent do not.
Hillary Clinton, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee, has proposed reinstating the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004 and has not been renewed despite numerous calls from lawmakers.
Omar Mateen, the suspected Orlando gunman, used a handgun and a semiautomatic rifle in the attack.
Clinton calls for "statesmanship, not partisanship" after Orlando
Trump: Obama's word choice causes Orlando-style attacks
On whether laws governing gun sales should be made more strict, Americans seem split along party lines. A majority -- 57 percent -- believe that laws should be stricter, while 11 percent believe they should be less strict. About three in ten Americans think they should be kept as is.
Only 36 percent of Republicans, however, think they should be stricter, with 14 percent that believe they should be less so. Forty-seven percent believe the laws should stay the same. Compare that to 79 percent of Democrats that are calling for stricter measures, with four percent saying they should be less so and 14 percent saying laws should be kept as is. A majority of Independents -- 52 percent -- support stricter laws, versus 14 percent that want less strict measures and 29 percent that say legislation should stay the same.
The poll also found that nearly nine in 10 Americans support conducting background checks. A total of 89 percent of Americans back a policy of universal background checks, with large majorities of Republicans (92 percent), Democrats (97 percent), and Independents (82 percent) believe in instituting such checks. Eighty-two percent of gun owners also favor the background checks.
According to the gun store owner that sold Mateen his weapons, the suspected Orlando shooter passed his background check. Mateen had previously been investigated twice by federal officials, once in 2014 for a possible connection to a known suicide bomber."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-massacre-cbs-news-poll-assault-weapons-ban/
like most urban rodents, the fool scurries at the sight of truth and cover its tracks
but, not too well
it's alright, Priya
we get it
you know, it seems when the gay agenda is embraced, things don't go well
think of MCPS and how its math tests scores plummeted after the gay curriculum was enacted
very plummy and very pernicious
how about America's future?
gay "marriage" was "found" in the constitution last year
a couple of weeks later, Trump declares
now we have a future leader in either a dangerous, vengeful demagogue without self-control and a history of abusing power or a crooked gold digger who can't be trusted with our security and who is the subject of a criminal investigation for mishandling classified information and selling influence to hostile nations
then, there's the Nationals
played the best team in baseball and won two outta three
the one they lost?
on "Out Night", when they saluted the area's gay community
Wow! You even write your own conspiracy theories!
Keep on believin'!
Wyatt/bad anonymous can't stand it when I don't respond to his trolling.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
conspiracy?
simply noting certain consistent correlations that are easily observed by anyone
let me know if you see one that is invalid
"anonymous can't stand it when I don't respond to his trolling"
well, it's just so amusing watching you flounder around, making a fool of yourself and the whole gay agenda
but I can understand, from your point of view, that you get mighty tired of looking stupid
When will politicians finally recognize that they can’t protect all the possible shooting targets?
Possibly the largest mass public shooting in US history occurred early on Sunday morning, leaving 50 dead. On Friday, also in Orlando, singer Christina Grimmie was murdered after a concert.
Both of these shootings had something in common: They both occurred in places where private citizens were banned from carrying permitted concealed handguns.
With the exception of Donald Trump, over the last few days politicians have talked about everything but gun-free zones. Hillary Clinton and President Obama have been talking background checks on the private transfers of guns or banning people who are on the “no-fly lists” from buying guns.
But not one of the mass shootings since at least 2000, including Sunday’s, would’ve been stopped by these laws. Nor would renewing the federal “assault weapons” ban solve the problem; even research paid for by Bill Clinton’s administration found no evidence the ban reduced any type of crime.
Just a couple of months ago, a young ISIS sympathizer planned a shooting at one of the largest churches in Detroit. An FBI wire recorded him explaining why he had picked the church as a target: “It’s easy, and a lot of people go there. People are not allowed to carry guns in church.”
PoliceOne, a private organization with 450,000 members (380,000 full-time active law enforcement and 70,000 retired), polled its members in 2013 shortly after the Newtown, Conn., massacre. Eighty percent of respondents said allowing legally armed citizens to carry guns in places such as Newtown and Aurora would have reduced the number of casualties. Another 6 percent thought the presence of legally armed civilians would “likely” have prevented the innocent casualties altogether.
According to police and prosecutors, there have been dozens of cases of permit holders clearly stopping what would have been mass public shootings. It’s understandable these killers avoid places where they can’t kill a large number of people.
Research I have conducted with economist Bill Landes looked at 13 different types of gun-control laws. Right-to-carry laws were the only type that made a difference in the rate and severity of these mass public shootings. Such laws are like those that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against last week, when it determined that California’s citizens didn’t have the right to protect themselves in public with concealed guns. (The open carry of guns is already illegal in California.)
President Obama has said mockingly, “Some here believe that having more guns makes us all safer.” He says we wouldn’t have these mass public shootings if that were true. However, just because there are a lot of guns in the United States doesn’t mean that people always have access to them for protection.
It ought to be common sense — even the most ardent gun-control advocate would never put “Gun-Free Zone” signs on their homes. Let’s finally stop putting them elsewhere.
"simply noting certain consistent correlations that are easily observed by anyone"
Study time via Wikipedia!
Correlation does not imply causation
Each of your examples -- the Nats losing a game on Out Night and MCPS's revised sex ed curriculum and MCPS math scores -- is a confidence.
Do your best when you read up on these scientific concepts and perhaps even you might come to comprehend the differences of these terms' meanings.
Donald Trump Is Against 'Gun-Free Zones' But Guns Aren't Allowed on Many of His Properties, Staff Says
Have you ever seen a sight as beautiful
as that of the rain-soaked purple
of the white birch in spring?
Have you ever felt more fresh or wonderful
than on a warm fall night
under a Mackerel sky,
the smell of grapes on the wind?
Well I have known all these things
and the joys that they can bring
And I'll share them all for a cup of coffee
and to wear your ring
Have you ever had the pleasure of watching
a quiet winter's snow slowly gathering
like simple moments adding up?
Have you ever satisfied a gut feeling
to follow a dry dirt road that's beckoning you
to the heart of a shimmering summer's day?
Well I have known all these things
and the joys that they can bring
And I'll share them all for a cup of coffee
and to wear your ring
And I don't know how I survived those days
before I held your hand
Well I never thought that I would be the one
to admit that the moon and the sun
shine so much more brighter when
seen through two pairs of eyes than
when seen through just one
Have you ever seen a sight as beautiful
as a face in a crowd of people
that lights up just for you?
Have you ever felt more fresh or wonderful
as when you wake
by the side of that boy or girl
who has pledged their love to you?
Well I have known all these things
and the joys that they can bring
And now every morning there's a cup of coffee
and I wear your ring
Typo!
Make that
Each of your examples -- the Nats losing a game on Out Night and MCPS's revised sex ed curriculum and MCPS math scores -- is a coincidence.
“I can’t believe I’m endorsing Hillary Clinton for president, but I am,” said Pressler, who spoke with The Hill on Monday after endorsing Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, in a statement issued over the weekend.
“This morning, I woke up and told my wife, ‘Did I really do that?’ ” he said. "But I did.
“If someone had told me 10 years ago I would do this, I wouldn’t have believed them."
Pressler, a moderate Republican who served three terms in the Senate before losing his seat to Democrat Tim Johnson in 1997, said he believes voting for Clinton is the “responsible thing to do.”
He said he feels disenfranchised by Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and modern-day congressional Republicans who have opposed efforts to expand background checks for gun sales.
“We need to go the route of more gun control as a result of Orlando and all the other shootings that have occurred,” Pressler said. “But it’s almost as though Republicans are saying gun control shouldn’t be part of the conversation at all."
But gun control isn’t the only reason why Pressler is ready to join “Republicans for Clinton” — he’s also concerned about Trump’s rhetoric on Muslims.
“This election is starting to sound like the German elections in [the late 1920s],” Pressler said. “This is a very dangerous national conversation we’re slipping into.”
Pressler, a Mormon Sunday school teacher, said he understands all too well the dangers of singling out a particular religious group.
In 1838, Missouri Gov. Lilburn Boggs ordered Mormons to be killed, which forced many to leave the state before eventually resettling in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Trump makes “Mormons very nervous,” Pressler said.
"Mormons are the only religious group besides the Jews who have been ordered by the government to be extinguished, killed,” he said.
“The worst thing is for Republicans to be silent,” Pressler added. “A lot of Republicans are just saying, ‘I’ll sit it out, I won’t vote.’ Or, ‘I’ll vote for a third-party candidate.’ But if they don’t vote, they are giving more power to dark forces.”
"Correlation does not imply causation"
never said it did
but when it's so consistent, it cause for consideration
"Each of your examples -- the Nats losing a game on Out Night and MCPS's revised sex ed curriculum and MCPS math scores -- is a confidence"
I'm sure TTFers would like to keep this kind of observation confidential
doesn't exactly help their cause
"No lie is too big a whopper for Der Drumpf and his drumpfheads said...
Donald Trump Is Against 'Gun-Free Zones' But Guns Aren't Allowed on Many of His Properties, Staff Says"
he didn't say it should be required
he may provide adequate security by other means
"Have you ever felt more fresh or wonderful
as when you wake
by the side of that boy or girl
who has pledged their love to you?"
stick to adults, Priya
Gun laws in Israel" where keeping the population secure from attacks of jihadists has long been an issue:
"Civilians must obtain a firearms license to lawfully acquire, possess, sell, or transfer firearms and ammunition. Soldiers are generally required to carry their personal weapons and ammunition together while on furlough, during active service, uniformed or in civilian clothing.
The list of below personnel are eligible for licenses allowing them to possess firearms:
Israel Defense Forces honorably discharged with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel
Reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander
Eligible to possess one rifle.
Ex–special forces enlisted men
Retired police officers with the rank of sergeant
Retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander
Licensed public transportation drivers transporting a minimum of five people
Civil Guard volunteers
Civil Guard snipers may possess one rifle.
Residents of militarily strategic buffer zones considered essential to state security
May possess one handgun.
Residents of Israeli settlements
Settlers may possess handguns and can be issued automatic rifles by the army for personal protection. The automatic rifles are the property of the army and may be recalled at any time.
Licensed hunters
May possess one shotgun
Licensed animal-control officers
May possess two rifles
In addition, those applying for permission to possess firearms must meet certain age requirements:
20 for women who completed military service or civil service equivalent
21 for men who completed military service or civil service equivalent
27 for those who did not complete military service or civil service equivalent
45 for residents of East Jerusalem..."
"...To obtain a firearms license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, pass a background check that considers the applicant's health, mental, and criminal history, establish a genuine reason for possessing a firearm (such as self-defense, hunting, or sport), and pass a weapons-training course. The Israeli government maintains an official registry of all residents with firearms licenses.[22]
All those holding firearms licenses must renew them and re-take a shooting course at a gun range every three years and pass a psychological exam every six years.[23] They must demonstrate they have a safe at home in which to keep the firearm. Permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale while holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun, and are given a lifetime supply of 50 bullets to take home.[24]
In addition to private licenses of firearms, organizations can issue carry licenses to their members for activity related to that organization (e.g. security companies, shooting clubs, other workplaces).
Members of officially recognized shooting clubs (practical shooting, Olympic shooting) are eligible for personal licenses allowing them to possess additional firearms (small bore rifles, handguns, air rifles, and air pistols) after demonstrating a need and fulfilling minimum membership time and activity requirements. Unlicensed individuals who want to engage in practice shooting are allowed supervised use of pistols at firing ranges.
Those licensed to possess firearms may not carry them in public without a permit. Separate permits exist for being allowed to carrying open and concealed weapons.[22]
Around 40% of applications for firearms permits are rejected.[25]
In 2005, there were 236,879 private citizens and 154,000 security guards licensed to carry firearms. Another 34,000 Israelis who were previously licensed own guns illegally due to their failure to renew their gun license.[26][27] In 2007, there were estimated to be 500,000 civilian licensed guns in Israel, in addition to 1,757,500 in the military, and 26,040 in the police.[28][29]
To legally own a gun as a souvenir, prize, inheritance, or award of appreciation from the military, an individual must first present proper documentation that they are about to receive it. Permits for gun collectors are extremely rare, and typically only given to ex-high-ranking officers.
Under Israeli law, the maximum penalty for unlawful possession of a firearm is 10 years in prison.[22]"
I know Wyatt/bad anonymous is desperate for attention from me (how pathetic is that!)and because I'm a softy I'm dedicating the next song to him:
The Fool On The Hill
Day after day
Alone on a hill
The man with the foolish grin
Is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him
They can see that he's just a fool
And he never gives an answer
But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round
Well on the way
Head in a cloud
The man of a thousand voices
Talking perfectly loud
But nobody ever hears him
Or the sound he appears to make
And he never seems to notice
But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round
And nobody seems to like him
They can tell what he wants to do
And he never shows his feelings
But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round, oh oh oh, round round round round
Read more: Beatles - The Fool On The Hill Lyrics | MetroLyrics
Prince William’s bold, beautiful stand against homophobia is a royal breakthrough
Overcompensation Nation: It’s time to admit that toxic masculinity drives gun violence
Our national attachment to dominance models of manhood is a major reason why we have so much violence
In the wake of the horrific shooting in Orlando that left 50 dead, a political struggle is forming on whether to define this act as an anti-gay crime or an act of radical Islamic terrorism.
The answer, it’s quickly starting to seem, is both of these, and more. A picture is quickly starting to form of who Omar Mateen, the shooter, was. His ex-wife describes a man who was controlling and abusive. A colleague says he was always using racial and sexual slurs and “talked about killing people all the time.” Both his ex-wife and his father describe him as homophobic, with his father saying he spun into a rage at the sight of two men kissing. He was clearly fond of guns, having not one, but two concealed carry licenses. He worked at a security firm, a career that can be attractive to men with dominance and control issues. He was investigated by the FBI in 2013 for making threats to a coworker.
There is a common theme here: Toxic masculinity.
Every time feminists talk about toxic masculinity, there is a chorus of whiny dudes who will immediately assume — or pretend to assume — that feminists are condemning all masculinity, even though the modifier “toxic” inherently suggests that there are forms of masculinity that are not toxic.
So, to be excruciatingly clear, toxic masculinity is a specific model of manhood, geared towards dominance and control. It’s a manhood that views women and LGBT people as inferior, sees sex as an act not of affection but domination, and which valorizes violence as the way to prove one’s self to the world.
For obvious political reasons, conservatives are hustling as fast as they can to make this about “radical Islam,” which is to say they are trying to imply that there’s something inherent to Islam and not Christianity that causes such violence. This, of course, is hoary nonsense, as there is a long and ignoble history of Christian-identified men, caught up in the cult of toxic masculinity, sowing discord and causing violence in our country: The gun-toting militiamen that caused a showdown in Oregon, the self-appointed border patrol called the Minutemen that recently made news again as their founder was convicted of child molestation, men who attack abortion clinics and providers.
Toxic masculinity aspires to toughness but is, in fact, an ideology of living in fear: The fear of ever seeming soft, tender, weak, or somehow less than manly. This insecurity is perhaps the most stalwart defining feature of toxic masculinity.
The examples are endless: Donald Trump flipping out when someone teases him about his small fingers. (Or about anything, really.) The ludicrously long and shaggy beards on “Duck Dynasty,” meant to stave off any association with the dreaded feminine with a thicket of hair. The emergence of the term “cuckservative,” flung around by hardline right wingers to suggest that insufficient racism is somwho emasculating. Conservatives absolutely melting down about an Obamacare ad that suggested that, gasp, sometimes men wear pajamas.
(This ad traumatized them so much that many conservative pundits are still freaking out, years after the fact, that the Obama administration dared suggest the emasculating fabric of flannel pajamas, ever touched the skin of the American male. Indeed, it’s probably emasculating to suggest men have skin at all, since “skin” is such a ladified concept in our culture, what with the moisturizers and stuff.)
If toxic masculinity was just about men posturing around each other in a comical fashion, that would be one thing, but this persistent pressure to constantly be proving manhood and warding off anything considered feminine or emasculating is the main reason why we have so many damn shootings in the United States. Whether it’s Islamic terrorism or Columbine-style shootings or, as is the case with some of the most common but least covered mass shootings, an act of domestic violence by a man who would rather kill his family than lose control, the common theme is this toxic masculinity, a desire on the part of the shooter to show off how much power and control he has, to take male dominance to the level of exerting control over life and death itself.
Another man who's soaked up anti-gay Christian dogma:
"Police arrested a man in Brooklyn for assaulting a bouncer at a gay bar and threatening to “come back Orlando-style.”
At about 11:15 p.m. Monday night, Justin Rice, 40 was escorted out of the Happy Fun Hideaway, a gay bar Bushwick, after getting in a loud argument with his girlfriend. During the scuffle, Rice shouted, “I’m going to shoot this place up and get my 50 just like Orlando, Florida,” according to the police report. “I’m going to come back Orlando-style!”
“F–k you fa—ts, f–k that fa—t, I’ll kill you f—-ts,” he yelled while hurling a metal bucket filled with sand at the 34-year-old bouncer."
I assume the "toxic masculinity" posts weren't written by Priya. (it used more than the 25 words Priya knows, after all)
but whoever did is in need of psychiatric help, it's a truly demented rant
"Another man who's soaked up anti-gay Christian dogma:
“F–k you fa—ts, f–k that fa—t, I’ll kill you f—-ts,” he yelled while hurling a metal bucket filled with sand at the 34-year-old bouncer.""
decades of attending churches and I've never heard anyone talk like this
Priya likes to pretend
this is why Priya doesn't get that violence against gays is committed by insecure people who like to attack anyone who weak, different and friendless
it has nothing to do with religion
at least not Christianity
Brooklyn man arrested after threatening to ‘come back Orlando style’ to Bushwick bar
Cops have arrested a Brooklyn man who threatened to “come back Orlando style” during a fight with a bar bouncer, sources said.
Justin Rice, 40, was hanging out with his girlfriend at the Happy Fun Hideaway on Myrtle Ave. near Willoughby Ave. in Bushwick when the couple started arguing Monday night, source said.
The bar’s 34-year-old bouncer asked them to calm down. When they didn’t, he tossed Rice out about 11:15 p.m.
Rice erupted. “You fucking f----ts,” Rice yelled out, according to police sources.
“I'm going to shoot this place up and get my fifty just like Orlando, Florida. I’m going to come back Orlando-style!”
Cruz, Huckabee And Jindal Will Join Pastor Who Wants Gays Put To Death
Arizona pastor wants to kill the gays for ‘AIDS free Christmas’
Sacramento Baptist pastor praises Orlando massacre
Baptist pastor doubles down post-Orlando: They deserved to die
It appears the foul mouthed one learned his lesson from homophobic Christian pastors quite well.
If a few bad Imans mean Islam is an evil religion, what do a few bad pastors mean for Christianity?
"Rice erupted. “You fucking f----ts,” Rice yelled out, according to police sources.
“I'm going to shoot this place up and get my fifty just like Orlando, Florida. I’m going to come back Orlando-style!”
It appears the foul mouthed one learned his lesson from homophobic Christian pastors quite well."
actually, it doesn't appear that way at all
it seems like a hothead was trying to get attention by citing a current event
"If a few bad Imans mean Islam is an evil religion, what do a few bad pastors mean for Christianity?"
the imans are only part of the problem
the bigger issue is that Islam calls for followers to execute judgment for sin, unlike Christianity that holds vengeance belongs to God
moreover in Islamic countries, there is no separation of church and state, which is a Christian concept
polls show that most Muslims either whole-heartedly support radical Islam, or are at least sympathetic to it
from a young age, Muslims are taught in schools and other parts of their society that Jews and Americans are evil and must be destroyed
someone here yesterday had the gall to bring up Israel's gun laws
Israel is surrounded by these Muslim pacifists you love so much, and seek continually to obliterate them
guns are everywhere in Israel
there are no gun-free zones
here's a thought experiment for you to imagine:
-go to New York and stand in Times Square and yell Jesus is not the Messiah
-go to Jerusalem and stand at the Wailing Wall and yell Moses didn't part the Red Sea
-go to Mecca and stand at the Kaaba and yell Mohammed wasn't the prophet
in which one of these situations would you likely escape with your life?
once you start trying these thought experiments, you will find that thinking is actually fun!
Barry Obama, a slick dude, doesn't blame ISIS or Muslims for Orlando
it's America's fault
kinda tells you the problem with this administration
kinda think America doesn't appreciate the slur:
On Thursday, when talking about the terrorist atrocity in Orlando in that city, President Obama acknowledged that Omar Mateen’s spree and the San Bernardino murders in December stemmed from the same root. But that root isn’t ISIS or jihad. The root is “derangement.”
These were “carried out, it appears, not by external plotters, not by vast networks or sophisticated cells but deranged individuals warped by the hateful propaganda that they’d seen over the Internet.”
The president could have placed Sunday’s attack in a different context — the context not only of San Bernardino but of the slaughter at the Bataclan club in Paris in November, and the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013, and the Fort Hood spree in 2009.
These are all the true precursors of Omar Mateen’s evil morning of slaughter — terrorist attacks in service of jihad, inspired by inciters and designers of jihadist violence.
But the president had a different villain in mind. His villain, the true object of his anger, was the political stalemate over guns. That is why he more precisely likened the Orlando atrocity to the killings at the elementary school in Newtown, Conn., and at the movie theater in Aurora, Colo.
Both of these mass shootings were the work of schizophrenic madmen, not determined fifth columnists. Indeed, to make the comparison to Adam Lanza of Newtown and James Holmes of Aurora all but explicit, Obama described Mateen not as a jihadist but as a “single deranged person.”
The president did so because he doesn’t want us to view Mateen as a volunteer in a war against the United States in which he served as a combatant against a cleverly chosen soft target. He wants us to view Mateen as another psychotic American with improper access to dangerous weaponry.
And one, moreover, whose reason for the attack was not to harm America as a whole but to act out his hatred against the LGBT community because of dangerous cultural messages he learned inside the United States.
This flies in the face of the phone calls Mateen made during the spree to 911 and to a local TV news producer, as well as the Facebook post he put up before he acted, all of which make it unambiguously clear he was acting in service of ISIS.
Indeed, the president all but dismissed Mateen’s reasons for action at the very moment he acknowledged the role of terror on Sunday morning. “Whatever the motivations of the killer,” the president said, the things we have to guard against are the sale of weapons and the hate in our hearts.
"guns are everywhere in Israel"
And those guns are in the hands of people who have met the very strict requirements to obtain a license which will allow them to have a gun.
Unlike the states where no license is required to own a gun, in Israel "to obtain a firearms license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, pass a background check that considers the applicant's health, mental, and criminal history, establish a genuine reason for possessing a firearm (such as self-defense, hunting, or sport), and pass a weapons-training course. The Israeli government maintains an official registry of all residents with firearms licenses.[22]
All those holding firearms licenses must renew them and re-take a shooting course at a gun range every three years and pass a psychological exam every six years.[23] They must demonstrate they have a safe at home in which to keep the firearm. Permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale while holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun, and are given a lifetime supply of 50 bullets to take home.[24]"
Try thinking how many mass shootings in America would be prevented if we were to place such level-headed requirements on gun owners here.
"Try thinking how many mass shootings in America would be prevented if we were to place such level-headed requirements on gun owners here"
likely none
but casualties would be significantly reduced if guns were as ubiquitous here as they are in Israel
which would lead to a greatly reduced incidence since the same level of publicity wouldn't be generated
unlike us, Israel is a socialist country and it's surrounded by countries whose motivating reason to get out of bed in the morning is to kill Jews
do we let Nazis into the country?
no
those who hold to anti-American beliefs should be excluded from immigration to America
Mateen was born a few miles away from where Donald Trump was born and not far from Grand Central Parkway in New York City.
Trump and Mateen, separated at birth—but not by much
During his sermon Sunday, Pastor Roger Jimenez talked about sodomites and said it is “unnatural to want to be with some of the same sex.” As he continued to speak, Jimenez said he was upset more people didn’t die.
The tense scene that unfolded outside the church – where protesters screamed “Would you kill me?” as the silent parishioners passed by – offered a window into the anguish of LGBT people across the country, who are coming to terms with the unprecedented attack on the queer community less than one year after same-sex marriage became the law of the land in the US.
“There’s no tragedy,” Jimenez said in his speech, which was posted on YouTube and quickly went viral, before the site removed it for violating its policy on hate speech.
“I wish the government would round them all up, put them up against a firing wall, put a firing squad in front of them, and blow their brains out.”
In the face of international outrage, Jimenez didn’t back down, instead telling a local reporter outside his door: “When people die who deserve to die, it’s not a tragedy.”
While many stories have emerged of Christians and LGBT people uniting in the wake of the horrific violence, the Jimenez controversy sheds light on the overt bigotry that is still pervasive in pockets of the country – even in a liberal state like California.
Talk about "anti-American beliefs".
You weren't the gunman but you don't want to see LGBT people in public
You weren't the gunman but you don't like LGBT characters on TV
You weren't the gunman but you think LGBT people are sinful and need saving
You weren't the gunman but you don't want LGBT people to have the right to marry
You weren't the gunman but you use slurs for LGBT people
You weren't the gunman but you would vote against legal protections for LGBT people
You weren't the gunman buy you are part of the culture that created him
assuming these quotes are accurate, that's a pastor that doesn't understand Christianity
sad
meanwhile, more keeps coming out that Mateen was actually gay
gays need to own this
one of there own struck because he was frustrated by the gay culture
that gay culture somehow drove him to lash out
other than the generally higher incidence of mental illness among homosexuals, what else about it made this guy explode?
the masochism? the bullying? the top-bottom dichotomy? the faux mock exaggerated hetro gender role imitation? ...
As investigators scoured the details of Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen's life, several regulars at the Pulse nightclub offered a startling revelation: They had seen Mateen there before, they said, drinking, arguing and talking about his family.
The FBI said that it was reviewing these eyewitness accounts, but that it wasn't clear whether Mateen's possible visits may have served as efforts to scout the target or whether he was a patron of the club.
Pulse patron Kevin West said the 29-year-old Mateen even messaged him on and off for a year before the shooting, using a gay chat and dating app called Jack’d.
West said he was dropping off a friend at the club around 1 a.m. Sunday, an hour before the shooting, when he noticed Mateen, whom he knew by sight, crossing the street, wearing a dark cap and carrying a cellphone.
“He walked directly past me. I said, ‘Hey,’ and he turned and said, ‘Hey,’” and nodded his head, West said. “I could tell by the eyes,”.
An hour later, Mateen, wielding a 9-mm semiautomatic pistol and .223-caliber rifle, killed 49 people and injured 53 before police shot him dead.
A federal law enforcement official who is not authorized to comment publicly said that the FBI was aware of witness reports that placed Mateen at the club on prior occasions and that the bureau was reviewing those accounts.
Another patron, Ty Smith, who also uses the name Aries, said he'd seen Mateen at the club at least a dozen times.
"Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent," Smith said. "We didn't really talk to him a lot, but I remember him saying things about his dad at times. He told us he had a wife and child."
Chris Callen, another Pulse customer, said he'd seen Mateen in the nightclub and had witnessed his violent outbursts.
"It was definitely him," said Cord Cedeno. "He'd come in for years, and people knew him."
West told the Los Angeles Times that after the shooting, as soon as he saw released photos of Mateen, he went straight to police and turned over his phone and Jack’d log-in information to the FBI.
"You weren't the gunman buy you are part of the culture that created him"
Priya's further adventures in misspelling
Priya, the sick underground gay culture created this guy
gays need to figure out how they created this monster
The shooters father said he was motivated to carry out the massacre by seeing two men kissing which made him extremely angry.
The shooter's wife and co-workers said he was extremely homophobic.
The FBI said they doubt that the shooter was a closted gay.
The shooter said that Islam woudn't accept the disgusting ways of the west.
The shooter was married to a woman and had children, if he was gay he was doing everything he could to suppress that.
The shooter was taught by both Islam and christianity that gayness was unacceptable and should be destroyed.
The research overwhelmingly shows gays who postively accept their sexual orientation are happer and better adjusted than those who do not.
Anti-gay christianity and Islam create self-loathing gays who seek to destroy their own gayness by attacking out and happy gays who they resent for not suppressing their gayness - no one knows this better than Wyatt/bad anonymous who has condoned the imprisonment and execution of gays.
Wyatt/bad anonymous says the gays he knows are not happy. He's in denial because to accept the reality that out gays are happy would require him to face how depressing and dismal his own repressed life is.
Anti-gay religious teachings are the problem. Anti-gay religious teachings both Islamic and christian are responsbible for creating monsters like this.
"further adventures in misspelling"
Better to misspell than to use the wrong word as in "one of there own"
The word you meant was "their."
"gays need to figure out how they created this monster"
The what you meant there was "closeted religious homophobes."
The independent Marine Corps Times reports that two west coast Christian Marines who posted a threatening photo to a closed Facebook group are now under investigation by the California-based I Marine Expeditionary Force, which is based at Camp Pendleton north of San Diego. A marine posted a photo showing another Christian corporal in uniform holding a rifle and captioned with the message, “Coming to a gay bar new you!”. The christian who posted the photo added the message, “Too soon?”
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "further adventures in misspelling".
Poor, poor, pathetic Wyatt. Can't make a compelling argument for his bigotry so he's forced to pretend a typo is some sort of "win" for him.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
"The shooters father said he was motivated to carry out the massacre by seeing two men kissing which made him extremely angry"
riiiiIIiight..... that's why he hung out at a gay dance club all the time
to get all revved up
LOL
the father is a pro-Taliban propagandist
everything he says needs to be discounted
"The shooter's wife and co-workers said he was extremely homophobic."
riiiiIIiight..... that's why he hung out at a gay dance club all the time
to overcome his phobia
LOL
his wife is under investigation and has provided conflicting accounts
everything she says needs to be discounted
"The FBI said they doubt that the shooter was a closted gay."
riiiiIIiight..... that's why he hung out at a gay dance club all the time
when did they say that?
did they explain what would make them say that?
"The shooter said that Islam woudn't accept the disgusting ways of the west."
riiiiIIiight..... that's why he hung out at a gay dance club all the time
he just couldn't get enough a' that ol' disgusting feelin'
"The shooter was married to a woman and had children, if he was gay he was doing everything he could to suppress that."
riiiiIIiight..... that's why he hung out at a gay dance club all the time
a great way to suppress homosexuality...indulge it
must be the secret
"The shooter was taught by both Islam and christianity that gayness was unacceptable and should be destroyed."
well, most people think that
only Muslims believe that includes killing gays though
"The research overwhelmingly shows gays who postively accept their sexual orientation are happer and better adjusted than those who do not."
OK, so those who are happy about being gay are happer
sounds like you're getting slaphappy from desperation
gays need to figure how going to gay clubs all the time made this guy into a monster
they need to own it
“Coming to a gay bar new you!”.
check out them spellin' skills!!
"The independent Marine Corps Times reports that two west coast Christian Marines who posted a threatening photo to a closed Facebook group are now under investigation"
if only they'd investigate the radical Muslims
"The FBI said they doubt that the shooter was a closted gay."
yeah, they're battin' a thousand
they investigated Mateen twice in recent years and dropped it because the Barackster told them to stop profiling those nice Muslims
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "a great way to suppress homosexuality...indulge it must be the secret".
No one would know better than you! You engage in anonymous gay sex in public places to hide your sexual orientation, feel guilty about it and then engage in more anonymous gay sex in public places to temporarily ease your pain - its a vicious circle.
I said "The shooter was taught by both Islam and christianity that gayness was unacceptable and should be destroyed."
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "well, most people think that only Muslims believe that includes killing gays though".
LOL, obviously most people don't think that and as both good anonymous and I have posted many Christians think that includes killing gays. There's precious little difference between Christians that want to execute gays and Christians that think executing gays and torturing them for eternity is reserved for their god - arguably those that think retribution belongs to their god are more evil and disgusting, at least those that think they should kill gays are exacting a finite punishment.
Even if you think gayness is a crime, the punishment should be commensurate with the crime, eternal torture is most certainly not. Your god is a monster.
Because of his hatred and resentment of open and happy gays Wyatt/bad anonyomous is desperate to blame this shooting on gayness itself. He asserts that the gunman was rejected by gay men he was seeking relationships with so he shot up the place in revenge.
So, by Wyatt/bad anonymous's own logic, the shooting had nothing to do with the alleged gay sexual orientation of the shooter, it was entirely about a desire for revenge for being rejected. This is no different than if a heterosexual man had shot up a straight bar because the women he was propositioning rejected him.
Once again Wyatt/bad anonymous demonizes gays based upon false pretenses. People who don't hate gays don't do this, only some one who has a deep seated resentment against gays tries to falsely blame gayness itself for this shooting.
“Coming to a gay bar new you!”.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "check out them spellin' skills!!".
LOL!! Wyatt/bad anonymous can't make any compelling arguments so he's forced to pretend typos are some sort of "win" for him.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "radical Muslims around the world are affirming him and celebrating".
We've posted far more American christians affirming him and celebrating him than Muslims. As I 've posted American muslims have roundly condemned him and expressed solidarity with the LGBT community. LOTS of Christians have expressed the idea that they're happy about this and wish more gays had been killed.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "you could speculate that he was using that as an excuse and had other incentives, like cruel rejection by prissy homosexuals".
LOL! This man was psychotic, clearly messed up by anti-gay Islamic and christian teachings. It takes a real psycho to imply that the gay community was somehow in the wrong for rejecting him! As you're probably too stupid to get it, by "real psycho", I mean you!
GOP Edits the LGBT Out of Its Orlando Statement
The GOP cannot afford to offend their TrueChristian constituency by committing the gross immorality of suggesting that gay people are not worthy of death. The GOP must emphasize that this massacre is only newsworthy because 1)it was committed by a Muslim, and 2)it could be a harbinger of a future massacre that may target decent people like themselves.
"The shooter was married to a woman and had children, if he was gay he was doing everything he could to suppress that.
Actually, Mateen was married to two different women. One divorced him and was rescued by her parents (see Sitora Yusufiy, Ex-Wife of Orlando Suspect, Describes Abusive Marriage), and then a few years later he married another woman and they produced a son together.
Siota Yusufiy, "the ex-wife of the 29-year-old man suspected of killing 50 people in a Orlando nightclub early Sunday said that he was violent and mentally unstable and beat her repeatedly while they were married.
The ex-wife said she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him.
At first, the marriage was normal, she said, but then he became abusive.
"He was not a stable person," said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. "He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn't finished or something like that."...
Was Orlando Killer Omar Mateen a Self-Loathing Gay Man?
"Did mass murderer Omar Mateen decide to kill dozens of gay people because of his Muslim faith? Because he had become radicalized by ISIS? Because he couldn’t stand the sight of two men kissing where his wife and young child saw them, as his father alleged? Because he suffered from extreme anger and other mental issues?
According to surviving patrons of Pulse, the Orlando gay club where Mateen performed his ruthless handiwork on Sunday Morning, the shooter was a gay man himself....
...if Mateen was indeed gay himself, he may have found that identity irreconcilable with other ones: a faithful husband, a good Muslim, an obedient son, an ISIS supporter. In none of those roles can homosexuality be safely expressed — but neither will one’s sexual orientation be denied for long. The pressure might have proved too much on that horrific, indelible Sunday morning..."
Time reports "Pulse is about a two-hour drive from Mateen’s home in Fort Pierce, Fla., and it would take four hours of driving to go there and back in one night. Nobody recalled ever seeing him at TattleTails, a gay bar just a few miles from his apartment. In three gay bars in West Palm Beach, an hour from Mateen’s home, none of the bartenders or customers told TIME they remembered ever seeing him."
Apparently the only gay club he'd been checking out was Pulse, far from his home.
"they investigated Mateen twice in recent years and dropped it because the Barackster told them to stop profiling those nice Muslims"
We'll believe that when you show us some proof of Obama meddling in either of those 2 investigations like Cheney, I mean *cough* Scooter Libby did to the investigation of Valerie Plame's husband, Ambassador Wilson. See Plamegate
"only Muslims believe that includes killing gays though"
Peter Sprigg is no Muslim but he has stated publicly he believes there should be "criminal sanctions for homosexual behavior," though he has never specified which "criminal sanctions" he was talking about.
Death?
Chemical castration?
Or something a bit more Biblical maybe?
And of course there's Leviticus 20:13 that still gets cited by Christian religious leaders like Pastor Roger Jimenez who just did exactly that in church while the bodies of 49 of God's gay creations still laid dead on the floor at Pulse.
Members of my church would be appalled if any in our congregants spoke or even believed as Jimenez did.
How about yours?
If someone stands up in church next Sunday and calls for death to more gays as was done in Orlando, how would you and your fellow congregants react?
The Orlando shooter’s ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, told ABC News on Monday that he would become enraged and “express his anger towards [a] certain culture, homosexuality, because in ... Islamic culture, it is really not tolerated, and I know at the time he was trying to get his life straight and follow his faith.”
“I guess that created some confusion between that, and there was definitely moments that he would express his intolerance to homosexuals,” said Yusufiy, who left Mateen just a few months after they were married in 2009.
The next day, she said that, looking back, “I think he might have been” gay.
“You know, knowing somebody and living with them every day ... I can honestly say that I had no clue,” Yusufiy told ABC News on Tuesday. “But from everything that has occurred and connecting the pieces to what I knew myself from my time and experience, I would not be surprised.”
Cases in which repressed homosexuality has been linked to extremism have been an interest for counterterrorism officials. In 2011 an analysis of homegrown extremists by the National Counterterrorism Center and obtained by ABC News included a secret report from the CIA that said that for some young men who converted to Islam and later became radicals, the strict religious structure offered “a hope of banishing their impulses and fantasies that they did not view as acceptable.”
Jerrold Post, formerly a longtime psychologist with the CIA, told ABC News on Tuesday that over his career, he has seen the psychodynamic of individuals “striking out against a forbidden part of oneself”
Everyone who knew the shooter said he expressed hatred of gays. Anti-gay religion, both christian and Islamic, is responsible for creating this monster.
What is it with these Christians and their lynchings?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/18/us/texas-family-sues-after-rope-is-wrapped-around-black-girls-neck-on-school-trip.html?_r=0
3 white boys wrapped a rope around a black girl's neck, and according to the school, an "accident" ensued.
The tag line for her private school is "Decidedly Christian / Distinctly Classical."
It's 2016 folks, not 1956. Lynchings have been against the law for a while now. Voting for Cheeto Jesus isn't going to make America that "great" again. Stop teaching your kids your Christian KKK values.
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
Investigators Say Orlando Shooter Showed Few Warning Signs Of Radicalization
"....investigators are beginning to lean towards a particular narrative: "Mateen may have had some problems with his sexuality, maybe even had some latent attraction to men. And he lashed out at the gay community as a result."
Meanwhile, more of the victims of the attack are being laid to rest in funerals Saturday. Speaking from one funeral in downtown Orlando, NPR's Nathan Rott tells our Newscast unit that a group of "no more than five anti-gay protesters" gathered outside the Cathedral of St. Luke — but "they were outnumbered and out-voiced, though, by hundreds of people who showed up to support the victims and their grieving families."
Our very own Anonymous troll has lashed out verbally at the gay community for years right here on Vigilance.
The attack at Pulse wasn't enough pain inflicted on the gay community for some anti-gay protesters.
They won't even allow us to bury our dead in peace.
How Westboro of them.
"What is it with these Christians and their lynchings?
Have a nice day,
Cynthia"
what a surprise, a bigoted remark from a TTFer
remember how they were howling last week if anyone said "what is it with these Muslims and their shootings of homosexuals?"
what is it with these transgenders and their hatred of religion?
"simply noting certain consistent correlations that are easily observed by anyone"
How many Muslims have hung a black person in this country?
Here's another case of Christians and paedophiles being inextricably linked in the same sordid situation. Usually it's Catholics or Mormons (you know, the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints), but this time it involves the an Amish couple essentially selling their young daughter to a creepy old guy for money. And yes, the Amish are Christians too. Usually when we hear about setting up their underage girls with paedophiles, someone like Warren Jeffs was getting them "married" in his church.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160618_Bucks_man_arrested_after_12_girls_found_in_his_home__including_2_he_fathered_with_a_14-year-old__police_say.html
"when it's so consistent, it cause for consideration"
Like, are the continuous accusations by Christians of gays being paedophiles merely a smoke screen to deflect people's attention away from all the news stories that come out every few months of Christians being involved in yet another child abuse scandal?
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
"How many Muslims have hung a black person in this country?"
true, you don't often see Muslims do anything racist
I mean, unless you consider Jews people
if you do, you may have notice that Muslims beheading, exploding, shooting and devising all manner of malice at another race
you remember the Munich Olympics?
well, at least they weren't black
right, Cynthia the Fuhrer?
"Here's another case of Christians and paedophiles being inextricably linked in the same sordid situation. Usually it's Catholics or Mormons (you know, the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints), but this time it involves the an Amish couple essentially selling their young daughter to a creepy old guy for money. And yes, the Amish are Christians too. Usually when we hear about setting up their underage girls with paedophiles, someone like Warren Jeffs was getting them "married" in his church."
more religious bigotry from Cynthia
who saw that coming?
"Like, are the continuous accusations by Christians of gays being paedophiles"
I haven't heard any Christians say that but, then, I don't scour the internet like Cynthia the Fuhrer, looking for justification for religious bigotry
life sometimes must get lonely
"merely a smoke screen to deflect people's attention away from all the news stories that come out every few months of Christians being involved in yet another child abuse scandal?"
wow, unabashed religious bigotry
shameless
go call your father, Cynthia
explain how his, ahem, child turns out to be such an embarrassing bigot
"what a surprise, a bigoted remark from a TTFer
remember how they were howling last week if anyone said "what is it with these Muslims and their shootings of homosexuals?"
So, we've established that you can actually grasp the concept of bigotry, at least when it is directed at Christians.
Any derogatory remarks you make about Muslims or gays though you always have some simplistic rationalization for, as if it's really not bigotry. And then you get your knickers in a twist when someone uses your same rhetorical technique right back on you. Anyone that has been following this blog long enough knows that kind of post is out of character for me, but I used it as a teaching lesson.
I could do those kind of posts all week long. There is plenty of new news with Christians doing unsavoury things in it, should it be necessary.
You have the choice of closing this browser tab any time you like, and walking away from this. When LGBT folks leave their homes, there is no telling what kind of abuse they might be subjected to.
It may just be being yelled at for being a faggot, harrassed for holding their partner's hand, chased down by a car (Maryanne has had this happen to her several times), told we are going to hell by preachers with megaphones - at our own pride festival, beaten up for using the bathroom, or burned alive or shot at when we visit a gay night club.
That shooter was just one Muslim tree in the American forest of Christian homophobia. It is no secret that Uganda's Kill the Gays law was promoted by Scott Lively and other American Evangelicals, and only international outrage by pro-lgbt groups managed to get the death penalty reduced to life in prison.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for how "tolerant" Christians are compared to Muslims. Comments by Christians after the Orlando shooting leave it abundantly clear that there are plenty of them out there that would like to see us dead. They just want "the state" to do it, rather than random shooters. They don't want to get their hands dirty. Of course, you can't just have the state executing gay people on the street willy-nilly. You have to get them in prison first, and Peter Sprigg has a plan for that.
"I haven't heard any Christians say that but, then, I don't scour the internet like Cynthia the Fuhrer, looking for justification for religious bigotry"
Then you must have a memory problem. Congrats on finally using my actual first name though. It doesn't have the same jingle as "Cinco the Psycho," but it certainly sounds more dangerous and menacing. Oooh, scary. I haven't felt that much Christian love since you called me and my friends a bunch of "brow(n) skirts.". Any more Hitler refererences you'd like you pull from your Pink Swastika, gay bashing manual? Or are you going to go more old-timey and try the Blood Libel angle and tell people how I'm a threat to children. Yeah, that's not bigotry at all.
You've been promissing us a "backlash" for years for the civil rights advances that LGBT folks have been making for the past decade. When last Sunday morning rolled around, I had to wonder aloud if "this was it.". But no, it was a Muslim homophobe rather than a Christian one. After seeing the horror of that episode, I think most Christians are going to lay low for a while - let the dust settle. Maybe Christians will be spared the embarrassment of one of their own going full AR-15 on the gays, but as a transwoman, I'm not going to hold my breath.
There is a least one Anon here that has expressed his desire to see me dead in several posts, and naked even, in one post. I'm sure he thinks he was being funny. The Orlando shooter thought it was funny when he pretended to be a plane flying into buildings after 9/11 too.
I'm not laughing.
BTW, my stepfather died in 2000. He was a staunch Republican that liked to brag that he was "just a little bit to the right of Genghis Khan." He also kept a number of firearms, and knew how to use them.
Happy Father's Day,
Cynthia
Cinco always seemed so pleasant. C'est la vie, it goes to show you never can tell
In President Obama’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton, he said, “I don’t think there’s ever been someone so qualified to hold this office.”
Really?
She would be equal to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and himself?
Notice President Obama didn’t say she is “more qualified,” because that would diminish him, and when it comes to narcissism, Mr. Obama and the Clintons make Donald Trump look like a shrinking violet.
In his effusive praise of Mrs. Clinton, the president did not mention any specific accomplishments that might qualify her for the office. That is because there are none. There is a lot of symbolism, of course, but no substantive results as secretary of state, an unremarkable single term as a senator from New York, and eight years as first lady when, in 1993, she couldn’t get the Clintons’ health care reform legislation through a majority Democratic Congress. There is, however, a long list of dubious and possibly criminal “achievements.”
Besides the questions surrounding Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private server and whether secret government documents were compromised and possibly hacked by America’s adversaries, there is another issue the major media have completely ignored.
It involves an institution known as Laureate Education, the parent company of Walden University, an online, for-profit school, which in its practices, critics of Trump University might say sounds like the allegations made against that school. Several students at Walden claimed to have been repeatedly delayed and given added costs as they tried to obtain their degrees, leaving them in considerable debt. A lawsuit was filed by the students, but a spokesperson for Walden told me the suits were “resolved” and the students have re-enrolled.
Bill Clinton was paid an obscene $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014 to serve as chancellor for Laureate International Universities.
With the Clintons, the money tree never ceases bearing fruit. Are people seeking to buy influence with this amount of cash, or do they just like Bill and Hillary?
The major media mainly ignore such things because they function largely as an auxiliary to the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.
This and many other things from what conservative critics call “the Clinton crime foundation” ought to be red meat for Donald Trump. He should ask why the media are engaging in a near total blackout of Laureate Education and the enormous flow of money to the Clintons and their foundation from governments, institutions and individuals.
Speaking of qualifications, perhaps no president, or presidential candidate, has been bought and paid for more than Hillary Clinton. She comes to this contest not with a long list of accomplishments, but with a trail of “receipts” and IOUs. If she becomes president, donors might reasonably be expected to collect on their investment.
Wow, yet another right wing opinion piece...
Boring!
Here's what's happening:
Trump clarifies stance on guns after NRA criticism
Why?
"The Donald Trump campaign sent its first "emergency" fundraising email to supporters Saturday, seeking to raise at least $100,000 by the end of the day. "
And what's this?
Donald Trump Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski Is Out
"With a difficult general election looming and his poll numbers dropping, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s controversial campaign manager Corey Lewandowski is out the door..."
"Wow, yet another right wing opinion piece...
Boring!"
those with a low IQ are often bored
they used to call such people "dull"
you might want to get more sleep and get engaged
your candidate is extremely flawed with the highest negative ratings for a major party nominee in history, except Donald Trump
and at those levels, any difference is meaningless
people don't like Trump but think he's competent
people don't like Hillary and she isn't competent
in the end, people will go with the former
every time
In an interview with NBC's Chuck Todd, Attorney General Loretta Lynch says that on Monday, the FBI will release edited transcripts of the 911 calls made by the Orlando nightclub shooter to the police during his rampage, with references to Islamic terrorism deleted.
"What we're not going to do is further proclaim this man's pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda," Lynch said. "We are not going to hear him make his assertions of allegiance to the Islamic State."
The Washington Post reported last week that the gunman made multiple phone calls while holding hostages: "The gunman who opened fire inside a nightclub here said he carried out the attack because he wanted 'Americans to stop bombing his country,' according to a witness who survived the rampage."
Salon reported that: “Everybody who was in the bathroom who survived could hear him talking to 911, saying the reason why he’s doing this is because he wanted America to stop bombing his country."
The Washington Post also noted that during his 911 call from the club, the gunman referenced the Boston Marathon bombers and claimed "that he carried out the shooting to prevent bombings, echoing a message the younger Boston attacker had scrawled in a note before he was taken into custody by police."
FBI Director James Comey said at a press conference that the shooter’s past comments about Islamist groups were "inflammatory."
"I read in the paper that my brothers are being thrown from rooftops blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs for violating sharia law. I heard the crowds stone these fallen men if they move after they hit the ground. I heard it’s in the name of God. I heard my pastor speak for God too, quoting scripture from his book. Words like abomination popped off my skin like hot grease as he went on to describe a lake of fire that God wanted me in. I heard on the news that the aftermath of a hate crime left piles of bodies on a dance floor this month. I heard the gunman feigned dead among all the people he killed. I heard the news say he was one of us. I was six years old when I heard my dad call our transgender waitress a faggot as he dragged me out a neighborhood diner saying we wouldn’t be served because she was dirty. That was the last afternoon I saw my father and the first time I heard that word, I think, although it wouldn’t shock me if it wasn’t. Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist. Many are annoyed by our wanting to be married like everyone else or use the correct restroom like everyone else. Many don’t see anything wrong with passing down the same old values that send thousands of kids into suicidal depression each year. So we say pride and we express love for who and what we are. Because who else will in earnest? I daydream on the idea that maybe all this barbarism and all these transgressions against ourselves is an equal and opposite reaction to something better happening in this world, some great swelling wave of openness and wakefulness out here. Reality by comparison looks grey, as in neither black nor white but also bleak. We are all God’s children, I heard. I left my siblings out of it and spoke with my maker directly and I think he sounds a lot like myself. If I being myself were more awesome at being detached from my own story in a way I being myself never could be. I wanna know what others hear, I’m scared to know but I wanna know what everyone hears when they talk to God. Do the insane hear the voice distorted? Do the indoctrinated hear another voice entirely?"
"I read in the paper that my brothers are being thrown from rooftops blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs for violating sharia law. I heard the crowds stone these fallen men if they move after they hit the ground. I heard it’s in the name of God."
now, now...let's keep an open mind
some people really like sharia laws
they're on the right track, baby
they were born that way
"I heard my pastor speak for God too, quoting scripture from his book."
uh, quoting scripture isn't speaking for God
it's quoting him
just like when I quoted you above, I wasn't speaking for you
see the difference?
"Words like abomination popped off my skin like hot grease as he went on to describe a lake of fire that God wanted me in."
if you felt that way, why not forsake homosexuality?
"I heard on the news that the aftermath of a hate crime left piles of bodies on a dance floor this month. I heard the gunman feigned dead among all the people he killed. I heard the news say he was one of us."
yeah, you guys made real mad by rejecting his advances
but that's no excuse
also, he's one of those people who really like sharia law
"I was six years old when I heard my dad call our transgender waitress a faggot as he dragged me out a neighborhood diner saying we wouldn’t be served because she was dirty."
that guy sounds an honest-to-goodness ray a' sunshine
"That was the last afternoon I saw my father and the first time I heard that word, I think, although it wouldn’t shock me if it wasn’t."
it rhymes with maggot, you know
"Many hate us and wish we didn’t exist."
well, true, other gays can be reeealllly mean
"Many are annoyed by our wanting to be married like everyone else or use the correct restroom like everyone else."
actually, I think they're annoyed by you changing the definition of marriage, a sacred institution that creates immortal souls, and getting the government to bully small business owners
"Many don’t see anything wrong with passing down the same old values"
present, sir
"that send thousands of kids into suicidal depression each year."
a lot of gays are suicidal
mental illness has always been present amongstn
"So we say pride and we express love for who and what we are."
just curious, what are you proud of?
"Because who else will in earnest?"
probably no one
why would they?
"I daydream on the idea that maybe all this barbarism and all these transgressions against ourselves is an equal and opposite reaction to something better happening in this world, some great swelling wave of openness and wakefulness out here."
openness to deviance?
nah
Yes, !((@*%%^$^@%$^%!()(#*)@W.
You poor angry homophobe.
Frank Ocean knows we are "all God's children" and we hope someday you will come to see the light of that truth too.
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/church-leaders-that-praised-orlando-mass-killing-asked-to-move/251191362
notice to former commenters:
the Teach the Facts blog is now officially defunct
any further comments should be directed to Boris Johnson
TTF's mission was successful years ago.
"We are here to support a 21st century sex education curriculum for MCPS students. While continuing to stress the importance of abstinence for teens, we support a new curriculum that will expand upon the old one by providing our students with current knowledge about how to protect themselves, based on the latest science and advice from the medical and scientific communities. Also, based on mainstream science, we support a new curriculum that recognizes that sexual orientation is not a choice, and that homosexuality is not a disease."
Your comments here on Vigilance are as meaningless today as ever.
You'd fit right in in Great Britain. They prefer to regress rather than to progress.
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Pope: Gays and others marginalized deserve an apology
"ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE — Pope Francis says gays — and all the other people the church has marginalized, such as the poor and the exploited — deserve an apology.
Francis was asked Sunday en route home from Armenia if he agreed with one of his top advisers, German Cardinal Reinhard Marx, who told a conference in Dublin in the days after the deadly Orlando gay club attack that the church owes an apology to gays for having marginalized them.
Francis responded with a variation of his famous “Who am I to judge?” comment and a repetition of church teaching that gays must not be discriminated against but treated with respect.
He said some politicized behaviors of the homosexual community can be condemned for being “a bit offensive for others.” But he said: “Someone who has this condition, who has good will and is searching for God, who are we to judge?”
“We must accompany them,” Francis said.
“I think the church must not only apologize ... to a gay person it offended, but we must apologize to the poor, to women who have been exploited, to children forced into labor, apologize for having blessed so many weapons” and for having failed to accompany families who faced divorces or experienced other problems..."
"TTF's mission was successful years ago"
seriously?
TTF's "mission" was simply to support the status quo in perhaps the most liberal state in America
it was a small miracle that CRC was able to stop the implementation of the dangerous pro-homosexual curriculum for a couple of years
and, in truth, that was really the result of the zealous groups like TTF badly overplaying their hand by attacking religious belief
so, TTF's mission was, if anything, impeded by their efforts
vermont, massachusetts, rhode island, NY, maryland, DC hawaii
Look who's still having problems with reading comprehension.
"we support a new curriculum that will expand upon the old one by providing our students with current knowledge about how to protect themselves, based on the latest science and advice from the medical and scientific communities. Also, based on mainstream science, we support a new curriculum that recognizes that sexual orientation is not a choice, and that homosexuality is not a disease," was most certainly not the status quo in MoCo. It was groundbreaking progress and MSPC schools are among the most highly rated in the nation.
"The nation receives an overall grade of C on its 2016 report card, with a score of 74.4 out of a possible 100 points, virtually the same result as a year ago. Massachusetts earns top marks this year with a score 86.8 and the only B-plus awarded. Consistently a strong performer, the state improved on the B it earned in 2015. Maryland, New Jersey, and Vermont—also fixtures at the top of the state rankings—earn grades of B this year. At the other end of the grading scale, Nevada ranks last, with a grade of D and a score of 65.2. Mississippi and New Mexico also receive Ds. Most states (33) earn grades somewhere between a C-minus and a C-plus."
-- http://www.edweek.org/media/qualitycounts2016_release.pdf
"Look who's still having problems with reading comprehension"
kind of vain of you to tell people to look at you
"we support a new curriculum that will expand upon the old one by providing our students with current knowledge about how to protect themselves,"
should a school be teaching how to protect yourself when you engage in dangerous and immoral behavior or not to engage in dangerous and immoral behavior?
"based on the latest science and advice from the medical and scientific communities. Also, based on mainstream science, we support a new curriculum that recognizes that sexual orientation is not a choice, and that homosexuality is not a disease,"
"advice from the medical and scientific communities" and is not based on "mainstream science", or any other science
the question of whether something is a choice is in the realm of philosophy, not science
the question of whether something is a disease is in the realm of philosophy, not science
"was most certainly not the status quo in MoCo. It was groundbreaking progress"
when TTF was formed, the issue had been decided by the establishment
the school board wanted to make this change and devised a committee to implement its desires
TTF was formed to support the establishment
but the establishment wasn't in need of support
the eventual outcome was never in doubt
"and MSPC schools are among the most highly rated in the nation"
little trouble keeping your acronyms straight?
another fine product of public schoolin'
MC had less than half of their students able to pass finals
it all started when this anti-science curriculum was enacted
Thanks for commenting, Boris Johnson.
instead of making an assinine comment with no applicability, you could always just admit you're wrong
you'll feel better about yourself
let's just say TTF is kerplunked
We realize science is not your forte, Mr. Johnson, however, the fact remains correlation does not imply causation
oh, that's technically true and a good way for the half-educated to dodge the facts
for example, the high correlation of homosexuality with AIDS infection
just a coincidence, right
the truth is, correlation with explanation is powerful evidence
the embrace of advocacy without objective scientific basis (the TTF applauded gay curriculum) has created a culture that is anti-science and is trickling down to student performance
btw, I saw Boris Johnson a couple of times during the Olympics and thought he was alright
is the left making him their latest target of demonization?
Brexit is not the disaster the media-liberal complex would have you believe
indeed, anything that reduces centralization is a positive for society
"I saw Boris Johnson a couple of times during the Olympics and thought he was alright
is the left making him their latest target of demonization?"
No, Mr. Johnson.
You are the one who said "any further comments should be directed to Boris Johnson"
Happy Heterosexual Pride Day
Heterosexuals need a Pride Day this year because after all, “When you’re used to privilege, equality can feel a lot like oppression.”
the idea that heterosexuality and homosexuality are equivalent is demented and evil
heterosexuality produces new life
homosexuality is a hedonistic indulgence
see the difference?
Yes, I see the difference now. Thanks for correcting me and explaining how I was wrong.
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What a crock.
No TTF supporters appreciate homophobes like you displaying your hate filled ways.
Being homosexual vs. heterosexual makes about as much difference in a person's life as being right handed or left handed makes. Sexuality and handedness are natural variances among humans and unlike radical religious types, whether Muslim or Christian, who cling to ancient hateful myths, TTF supporters celebrate all God's creations.
At TTF, we stand up for what's right:
"Across the nation and in our own back yard, religious extremists are attempting to impose their beliefs on all of our children, and to dictate what our children learn about themselves, their bodies, and about the people around them. We need your support in opposing those who are trying to intimidate the school board, and who insist that the curriculum reflect their specific beliefs about the morality of particular behaviors."
And we got the community's support and beat the shower nuts in every frivolous court case they brought to try force our public schools to teach their hateful religious belief about gays.
Read all about it: CURRICULUM VICTORY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MARYLAND: A CASE STUDY AND HANDBOOK FOR ACTION
"homophobes like you displaying your hate filled ways"
"homophobe" is a propagandistic phrase
few people have any fear of homosexuals
you want to imply that taste, discretion and support for morality are phobias but no one really believes that
including you hypocrites
"Being homosexual vs. heterosexual makes about as much difference in a person's life as being right handed or left handed makes"
that's irrelevant to my remark about societal equivalency but it's also wrong
among other things, a homosexual couple can't have physical offspring together
makes a big difference in their lives
also, to society
it's a big difference between a relationship that can create life and a relationship that can't
life-producing relationship should rightly be preferenced by society
"Sexuality and handedness are natural variances among humans"
completely false analogy
sexuality involves relationships to others
handedness involves your relationship to your body
"and unlike radical religious types, whether Muslim or Christian, who cling to ancient hateful myths, TTF supporters celebrate all God's creations"
this is code for those who like homosexuality
obviously, God created children who TTFers support being murdered in their mothers' wombs
God created people who are successful and start profitable businesses and make lots of money
TTF detests these creations of God
how about science students who recognize that global warming theory is alarmism
TTF celebrates them by supporting banning them from their chosen profession
TTF also doesn't celebrates Brits who want to stop Britain from being overtaken by Muslims
oh, and how about pedophiles, polygamists and those who commit bestiality?
when is TTF planning to celebrate these creations of God?
TTF supporters celebrate all God's creations?
WHAT A CROCK!
"At TTF, we stand up for what's right"
ever hear that song by the Rolling Stones, quoting Satan: "every cop is a criminal and all the sinners, saints"
"Across the nation and in our own back yard, religious extremists are attempting to impose their beliefs on all of our children, and to dictate what our children learn about themselves, their bodies, and about the people around them. We need your support in opposing those who are trying to intimidate the school board, and who insist that the curriculum reflect their specific beliefs about the morality of particular behaviors."
oh brother
those who opposed the school board's curriculum were happy to leave the topic of homosexual morality undiscussed in schools, liberals want kids taught that homosexuality is normal and appropriate
if a kid, or teacher, say otherwise, they are disciplined and forced to recant
that's imposition
"And we got the community's support"
sure
that's why you tried to interfere with petitions for a referendum and used every trick in the book to prevent any votes on the gay agenda
because you were embarrassed to have so much "community support", right?
truth is, even in this most liberal county in America, the average parent is horrified when their kid comes out as gay
"and beat the shower nuts in every frivolous court case they brought"
you mean like when they delayed the imposition of the curriculum for years despite having a deck stacked against them
"to try force our public schools to teach their hateful religious belief about gays."
now, you're just lying
you know full well they only wanted the school to not teach about homosexual deviance at all
Handedness is not about your relationship to your body. Your hands are a chief way you interact with and manipulate the environment, including caressing, holding hands, touching, and making things. Handedness is innate in exactly the same way sexual orientation is innate. This analogy comes from the Log Cabin Republicans, btw. You can love them for being Republicans or hate them for being gay, good luck with that. In any case it's a terrific analogy.
If you engage in sex only for the sake of reproduction then I pity you. Sex is an expression of love, and when you talk about gay people you are talking about someone who loves someone that is the same sex as themselves. They might be virgins, or celibate, it does not make them less homosexual. They may even have sex with someone of opposite gender, and may even reproduce and make babies -- they are still gay. Just ask any of the dozens of Republican politicians and preachers who have fallen out of the closet in recent years. Just ask Gateway Pundit, for instance.
Nobody at TTF has ever expressed any opposition to people being successful in business, or suggested that any science student should "believe" anything other than what science has learned. I don't think Brexit has been mentioned here. And it is very strange to lump together "pedophiles, polygamists and those who commit bestiality." TTF stands in favor of knowledge about the range of natural sexuality and stands against the sexual victimization of anyone, especially children. No one here has defended pedophiles, polygamists, or those who commit bestiality. You're just slinging mud.
"liberals want kids taught that homosexuality is normal and appropriate" -- and what would you tell them? That there's something wrong with someone because they fell in love with the wrong person? Kids need to know that not everyone is heterosexual, and if they reach adulthood and realize that they are "different" from the public-media stereotype, there is nothing wrong with them.
"if a kid, or teacher, say otherwise, they are disciplined and forced to recant" -- You're just making stuff up now.
"you know full well they only wanted the school to not teach about homosexual deviance at all" ... Ignorance seeks to perpetuate itself. Sorry, anon, but the train has left the station. You don't sound like a conservative any more, you just sound like an asshole.
WASHINGTON, June 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. military is ending its ban on openly serving transgender service members, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said in a statement on Thursday.
Carter said effective immediately, U.S. service members would be able to serve openly and could not be discharged simply on the basis of their gender identity.
oh, that will be great for morale
not to mention recruitment
but you guys really don't like America anyway, right?
"to try force our public schools to teach their hateful religious belief about gays."
now, you're just lying
you know full well they only wanted the school to not teach about homosexual deviance at all"
I did not lie about anything.
I served on the Family Life Committee with Sprigg and Jacobs, you didn't.
Peter Sprigg and Ruth Jacobs wanted to include information about reparative therapy in the sex ed curriculum, which is a therapy that has been proven harmful to minors in numerous scientific studies and has now been banned for use with minors in Oregon, California, Illinois, Vermont, New Jersey, and the District of Columbia.
Those two shower nuts would have gladly allowed their hateful religious views to harm gay minors here in Montgomery County.
Spring and Jacobs were the PFOX and CRC representatives on the MCPS committee that approved the sex ed curriculum which did not contain any religious beliefs harmful to LGBT youth they wanted to include in the curriculum.
And don't forget, Peter Spring was also a high-ranking official with the hate group Family Research Council and personally supported criminal sanctions for homosexual behavior like in Leviticus.
Quit bearing false witness against your neighbor!
Federal Judge Blocks Mississippi Religious Objections Law With Unassailable Logic
A federal judge blocked a Mississippi law on religious objections to same-sex marriage moments before it was set to take effect Friday, ruling it unconstitutionally establishes preferred beliefs and creates unequal treatment for gay people.
U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves wrote that the title, text and history of the law show it is "the state's attempt to put LGBT citizens back in their place" in response to last summer's Supreme Court ruling that legalized gay marriage nationwide.
"In physics, every action has its equal and opposite reaction," Reeves wrote. "In politics, every action has its predictable overreaction."
State attorneys are expected to appeal his ruling, which came overnight in response to two lawsuits filed by gay and straight plaintiffs.
The law sought to protect three beliefs: That marriage is only between a man and a woman; that sex should only take place in such a marriage; and that a person's gender is determined at birth and cannot be altered.
It would allow clerks to cite religious objections to recuse themselves from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, and would protect merchants who refuse services to lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people. It could affect adoptions and foster care, business practices and school bathroom policies.
"The state has put its thumb on the scale to favor some religious beliefs over others," Reeves wrote. He also wrote that it violates the Constitution's equal protection guarantee.
Republican Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant signed House Bill 1523 in April, winning praise from conservative Christian groups. The Family Research Council gave him a religious freedom award for signing the bill, and Bryant said the "secular, progressive world had decided they were going to pour their anger and their frustration" on him because of the bill.
Reeves wrote: "HB 1523 favors Southern Baptist over Unitarian doctrine, Catholic over Episcopalian doctrine, and Orthodox Judaism over Reform Judaism doctrine, to list just a few examples."
More than 100 bills were filed in more than 20 state legislatures across the nation in response to the Supreme Court gay marriage ruling, UCLA law professor Douglas NeJaime testified before Reeves last week.
State attorneys argued that the Mississippi law provides reasonable accommodations for people with deeply held religious beliefs that gay marriage is wrong.
Roberta Kaplan, an attorney who filed one of the lawsuits challenging the law, said in a statement that Reeves "enforced the fundamental constitutional principle that the government cannot establish any religion."
"As a result, Mississippi will no longer be permitted to favor some 'religious beliefs' over others, and the civil rights of LGBT Mississippians will not be subordinated to the religious beliefs of only certain religious groups," said Kaplan, who represents Campaign for Southern Equality.
Reeves notes that one section of the bill specifies that the state could not punish any religious organization that refuses to solemnize a same-sex marriage.
"There is nothing new or controversial about that section," Reeves wrote. "Religious organizations already have that right under the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment."
This ruling is going to form the basis for striking down all those deceptively misnamed religious "freedom" laws which really have nothing to do with religious freedom but are all about giving christians special rights - the right to discriminate against LGBT people when LGBT people don't have the right to discriminate against christians.
Congratulations to Cynthia and good anonymous - great job!
Wyatt/bad anonymous likes to claim he knows gays and lesbians and none of them are happy. But of course one wouldn't expect a gay or lesbian person to appear happy encountering a hostile anti-gay person like Wyatt who tells them they are mentally ill, evil deviants the equivalent of murderers and child molesters who should be deprived of equal rights.
A rational person wouldn't blame a gay person for being unhappy living in a society that oppresses and attacks people such as themselves for a harmless characteristic.
Wyatt/bad anonymous is like the playground bully assaulting a classmate and then fatuously saying the classmate's distress is proof that they are mentally ill.
People like Wyatt/bad anonymous cause the distress in gays and lesbians and then blame the victim for the distress.
In this thread Wyatt/bad anonymous said he agreed with the provisions in the Uganda law that provided increased penalties for each time a person had gay sex.
He also condoned the execution of gays. Now he says he doesn't hate gays and that he was joking. But of course people who don't hate gays don't joke about their execution or say there should be criminal penalties for gay sex that increase with each instance of sexual activity.
Wyatt/bad anonymous truly is an evil despicable person.
a li'l sumpin' to depress the defunct
a majority of Americans reject the FBI's recommendation against charging Hillary Clinton with a crime for her State Department e-mail practices and say the issue raises concerns about how she might perform her presidential duties, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll
last week the FBI Director critiqued Clinton's email practices and systematically dismantled her public defenses
the Post-ABC poll found 56 percent disapprove of Comey's recommendation against charging Clinton while 35 percent approve
6 in 10 independents disapprove of the recommendation against charges, rising to nearly 9 in 10 Republicans
while Clinton has defended her practice as a matter of personal convenience similar to her predecessors, 57 percent in the poll say the issue worries them about how she might handle responsibilities if elected president
the minority of registered voters who oppose the decision to forego criminal charges are split on whether the outcome makes them less likely to vote Clinton in November — 47 percent say it makes no difference in their vote while 45 percent say they're less likely to support her
the Post-ABC poll was conducted Wednesday and Thursday among a random national sample of 519 adults reached on cellular and landline phones
It's a really good thing that we do not determine guilt and innocence by popular vote.
seems we do
Comey made sure to point out that a reasonable prosecutor wouldn't charge Hillary, IN THIS CONTEXT
the context is that she's about to be named Democratic nominee
lesser people, not popularly voted on, are prosecuted for similar crimes
just last year, the Justice Department prosecuted naval reservist Bryan Nishimura, who improperly downloaded classified material to his personal, unclassified electronic devices
the government admitted that there was no evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute the material to others but he was still sentenced to two years of probation, fined and forever prohibited from seeking a security clearance, effectively killing any chance of ever working in national security
why not Hillary?
and what political party with any integrity would nominate such a person?
and how could the American people entrust such a person with our nation's confidential information
You mean for using her own email server? Just how terrible do you think that is? The question is not did she do it or not -- the question is, who cares?
Here’s why Donald Trump says he doesn’t talk more about Hillary Clinton’s email problems
How soon they forget.
Flashback: Rove Erases 22 Million White House Emails on Private Server at Height of U.S. Attorney Scandal – Media Yawns
"You mean for using her own email server? Just how terrible do you think that is?"
pretty terrible
it wasn't secured, that was against State Dept policy, and the emails disclosed show she knew that and knew the risks
she can't be trusted with classified information, and is, therefore, ineligible to be President
"The question is not did she do it or not"
no, it isn't
that's settled
the only thing pending is what price she should pay for this egregious violation of trust
"-- the question is, who cares?"
thought you said popular opinion is irrelevant
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