Three Million Illegal Voters?
The President-elect of the United States tweeted this today:
Snopes.com, the go-to site for debunking "urban legends" and now fake news, is the very most reliable place to find out what is true and what is not on the Internet. They evaluated the statement. Here is their assessment:
Snopes found plenty of web sites saying that three million undocumented aliens had voted.
We scoured at least a dozen such articles for evidence to support the claim, but found none. All of them pointed back to the same source: a pair of tweets by someone named Gregg Phillips, whose Twitter profile identifies him as the founder of VoteStand ("America's first online fraud reporting app").They show two tweets from a guy, and sure enough, one says, "Completed analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations. Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million. Consulting legal team." The other one says, "We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens. We are joining .@TrueTheVote to initiate legal action. #unrigged".
Snopes figures out that this guy worked on a Newt Gingrich PAC and has been quoted on Breitbart in the past. They exchanged messages with him and he refused to tell them where his numbers came from. By law, Obamacare sites offer voter registration services, and Snopes guesses that this character somehow made an estimate based on the number of people who signed up for insurance on the exchanges.
They conclude:
Based on these past statements, it seems likely that Phillips' case that three million non-citizens voted in the past election is related to his claim that "illegals" are registering to vote via Obamacare. In the absence of supporting data, however, he has really made no case at all. The "three million non-citizens" figure may just as well have been plucked out of thin air.This is our future President we are talking about here. He has been declining the daily official security briefings, has only attended two of them so far, and he is getting his information from Some Guy On The Internet.
This is going to be bad.
posted by JimK at 4:54 PM
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Politifact: Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election?
A (after review of evidence): "If Phillips does release a more detailed report, we will consider that information. But for now, this claim is inaccurate. We rate it False."
Clearly, if three million people voted illegally, we need to find out where it happened. Recounts would be necessary in those areas where the illegal voting occurred, at the very least. If there is no way to separate out the legal votes from the illegal ones at this point, the only fair way to get a valid result is to hold the voting again, with more careful attention paid to who is voting.
Cynthia
WaPo gets it right:
Trump pushes conspiracy theory that 'millions' vote illegally for Clinton
Donald Trump’s bogus claim that millions of people voted illegally for Hillary Clinton: "...Simply put, there is no evidence that “millions of people” voted illegally in the election.
Now that Trump is on the verge of becoming president, he needs to be more careful about making wild allegations with little basis in fact, especially if the claim emerged from a handful of tweets and conspiracy-minded websites. He will quickly find that such statements will undermine his authority on other matters.
Four Pinocchios"
"...when the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was asked last August on CNN if Trump should release his tax returns, his answer was both colorful and unequivocal. “If you’re going to run and try to become the president of the United States,” Chaffetz replied, “you’re going to have to open up your kimono and show everything, your tax returns, your medical records. You are . . . just going to have to do that.”
I eagerly await Chaffetz’s news conference reiterating his kimono policy, since he made very clear that he sees his role as nonpartisan. “My job is not to be a cheerleader for the president,” he said. “My job is to hold them accountable and to provide that oversight. That’s what we do.” Early, comprehensive hearings on the problems Trump’s business dealings would pose to his independence and trustworthiness as our commander in chief would be a fine way to prove Chaffetz meant this.
Republicans did an extraordinary job raising doubts about Clinton — helped, we learned courtesy of The Post, by a Russian disinformation campaign. Does the GOP want to cast itself as a band of hypocrites who cared not at all about ethics and were simply trying to win an election?
At least some conservative voices have been raised to push Trump to divest himself of his businesses, lest he create conflicts that would, I’d insist, reach far beyond anything that Clinton was accused of. The Wall Street Journal editorial page observed that the Trump family’s potential conflicts “span the globe” and could “become a daily political target.” The loyally conservative paper said Trump’s “best option is to liquidate his stake in the company.”
The Journal was joined in this view by conservative writer John Podhoretz, who asked what would happen when “the Trump Organization gets an insane sweetheart deal . . . from a semi-state-run business somewhere?” Impeachment, he warned, might be the only remedy.
If Trump wasn’t ready to put his business life behind him, he should not have run for president. And if Republicans — after all of their ethical sermons about Clinton — do not now demand that the incoming president unequivocally cut all of his and his family’s ties to his companies, they will be fully implicated in any Trump scandal that results from a shameful and partisan double standard."
Thinking, given those hands, Trump will be reluctant to open his kimono.
you guys do realize that the Dems and Jill Stein are now claiming that Russia tampered with the results in WI, PA, and MI?
even the WH says there is no evidence this happened
just wanted to make sure if you were going to make a complete fool of yourselves, that you were doing it intentionally
it is funny when you think about it
Trump was hammered on whether he would accept the results of the election when the entitled fat cat Hillary that she had it all sewed up
and now, Dems are challenging the voting results in those three states three weeks on
I seem to remember a passionate statement by Hillary Clinton that such things undermine our democracy
As you well know, some computer scientists publicly announced last week that they believed some voting machines might have been tampered with. The Democrats did not respond but Jill Stein raised money for a recount and the HRC campaign lawyer carefully wrote that if there was a recount, they would help support it. Don't know who is saying the Russians did it. I don't believe Hillary or her campaign have said very much, it isn't their thing.
"Dems are challenging the voting results in those three states three weeks on"
Yet another lie by the TTFTroll, parroting his Preferred Pu--y Predator President Elect.
Here are the facts, easily found in conclusion of Marc Erik Elias' blog post, Listening and Responding To Calls for an Audit and Recount:
"...Because we (officials in the Clinton campaign) had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology, we had not planned to exercise this option ourselves, but now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides. If Jill Stein follows through as she has promised and pursues recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan, we will take the same approach in those states as well. We do so fully aware that the number of votes separating Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the closest of these states — Michigan — well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount. But regardless of the potential to change the outcome in any of the states, we feel it is important, on principle, to ensure our campaign is legally represented in any court proceedings and represented on the ground in order to monitor the recount process itself.
The campaign is grateful to all those who have expended time and effort to investigate various claims of abnormalities and irregularities. While that effort has not, in our view, resulted in evidence of manipulation of results, now that a recount is underway, we believe we have an obligation to the more than 64 million Americans who cast ballots for Hillary Clinton to participate in ongoing proceedings to ensure that an accurate vote count will be reported."
You'd think the Pu--y Predator President Elect who spent good portions of the election saying the election results would be rigged would care to find out how he won the presidency with over 2 million fewer American votes than Hillary got, but apparently that @$$hole couldn't care less about assuring millions of American voters their votes were counted.
"You'd think the Pu--y Predator President Elect who spent good portions of the election saying the election results would be rigged would care to find out how he won the presidency with over 2 million fewer American votes than Hillary got"
it's not that complicated
Hillary got 2.5 million more votes than DJT in California
take that away and she lost the rest of the country by half a million votes
problem is, since California was not close, it's possible many Trump supporters didn't bother to vote
especially since there was no Republican Senate candidate in California
btw, alluding to crass terms like Pu**y and @$$hole@ is vile and incivil and I will henceforth not respond to such vile people
you'll get the Priya Lynn treatment
you can flap in the wind with your colors showing
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "
Hillary got 2.5 million more votes than DJT in California take that away and she lost the rest of the country by half a million votes".
Typical Wyatt/bad anonymous idiocy - if you exclude millions of votes Hillary got Trump would have won - ridiculous! The fact of the matter is that more people wanted Hillary to be president than Trump - democracy was denied.
" I will henceforth not respond to such vile people"
Promises promises.
I learned that language from your fucking GOPers:
Snopes: Did President Bush refer to a report as a 'major league @$$hole'?
Status: TRUE
Did your Pu--y Predator President Elect say:
"And when you are a star they let you do it. You can do anything....Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."?
Yes he did.
I suggest you take your Pu--y Predator President Elect's advice and Go fuck yourself.
Your Pu--y Predator President Elect is unwittingly and amazingly, calling into question the results of an election that he won nearly three weeks ago.
He argued we should have no confidence in those same election results, alleging massive voter fraud.
On Sunday, he tweeted:
Donald J. TrumpVerified account
@realDonaldTrump
In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
The logical extension of his argument is that all results should not be trusted. In effect, Trump is lending credence to the very same recount effort that he criticized as superfluous.
If the system was susceptible to the kind of pro-Clinton fraud that Trump is alleging, who is to say that it wasn't also susceptible to manipulation that might have benefited Trump? Trump's argument is that our electoral system was vulnerable to all kinds of shenanigans that could have changed the results in specific states. Why not shenanigans instigated by Russia, which experts say aided Trump during the campaign with fake-news propaganda?
Trump is a bona fide conspiracy theorist. We can no longer dismiss his fomenting of these baseless theories as some political ploy; it's who he is. And he's willing to call into question anything that doesn't show him to be the clear winner. Given that he will lose the popular vote by as much as two full points, he's in desperate search of an excuse for this fact.
remember when Hillary thought she was a shoo-in and Dems started talking about how it would be an "electoral landslide"
ha-ha
well, the counting is finally over and the last state, Michigan is officially Trumpian
he won 31 states and Hillary got 19
it's an electoral landslide, baby!!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MICHIGAN_ELECTION_PRESIDENT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-11-28-14-09-02
"it's an electoral landslide, baby!!"
And a popular vote @$$-kicking.
Clinton 64,663,230
Trump 62,425,040
and still counting.
"Saturday, Hillary Clinton announced that she had joined a recount effort in at least three Midwestern states, questioning whether “an accurate vote” will be reported to the Electoral College. This comes on the heels of a concession speech where she told her supporters that, “We must accept this result… Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.”
Hours after Clinton delivered her remarks, President Obama joined his nominee in asking the same of the country – and my Democratic party. It was a moment of pride for many Americans. We could celebrate a peaceful transition of power, even if we didn’t like the result.
MORE FROM OPINION: COOLIDGE, IMMIGRATION AND US
It’s now clear that Clinton’s speech wasn’t genuine. According to her campaign, they’ve had lawyers, data scientists and analysts combing over election results starting “the day after the election,” or the day of her otherwise thoughtful concession speech. Their goal: find evidence that would suggest a hacked result, despite the president – and my former colleagues in the intelligence community – stating clearly that there are no signs of foreign tampering at the ballot box.
As a Democrat, I am frustrated and ashamed. Unlike Hillary Clinton, I realize that America’s history was built not just on its gallant winners but also on its noble losers.
Why would Clinton do this? Some suggest it’s a vengeful ploy to make Trump look illegitimate in the eyes of the American people. But I suspect that this is the last, embarrassing gasp of a flailing politician, unable to accept defeat with grace.
As a Democrat, I am frustrated and ashamed. Unlike Clinton, I realize that America’s history was built not just on its gallant winners but also on its noble losers.
Clinton is not the first Democrat from New York to lose the presidency after winning the popular vote. That honor goes to Samuel Tilden during his disputed election of 1876. At the time, Tilden’s supporters were utterly convinced that his opponent – President-elect Rutherford B. Hayes – would bring about the end of the nation. As one voter put it: “Goodbye free government, free elections, free speech, and free press, as well as all civil liberties.”
The media response was no less breathless. Newspaper titan and fellow Democrat Joseph Pulitzer – of Pulitzer Prize fame – called for 100,000 armed Tilden supporters to storm Washington D.C.
Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed; Tilden was not one to foment a revolution. He gave a respectful concession speech and retired to New York.
Perhaps in the back of Tilden’s mind was another great American loser, General Robert E. Lee. Just before his surrender at Appomattox near the end of the Civil War, Lee’s chief of artillery – General Porter Alexander – proposed that the Southern army collapse into bands of guerilla fighters, continuing the war until an exhausted North finally conceded. Lee refused, eloquently summarizing why the South had to accept defeat.
“You and I as Christian men have no right to consider only how this would affect us. We must consider its effect on the country as a whole. Already it is demoralized by the four years of war. If I took your advice, the men…would be compelled to rob and steal in order to live. They would become mere bands of marauders… We would bring on a state of affairs [that] would take the country years to recover from.”
Lee surrendered the next day.
In politics and war, the lesson is clear: American patriots aren’t always the winners. Indeed, how we lose sets the example for what it means to win. Tilden could have led an army to D.C. – he won the popular vote. Lee could have opened the gates of hell and secured a Southern victory. But both men understood something of far greater consequence: the American republic is worth more than ego or ambition.
With Clinton’s embrace of an electoral recount, it is clear that she cannot accept defeat with grace, nor does she hold our nation in the same regard as Tilden or Lee. That means my fellow Americans – and especially my fellow Democrats – must stand up to her hubris. We must make clear that we offer no excuses for our loss. We will not chase the ghosts of foreign hackers. We won’t be fooled by FBI conspiracies, blame bad campaign staff, whine about false Facebook posts, or blame mobs of deplorables.
No, we realize that we lost because the nation wanted change and our candidate was too flawed and untrustworthy to carry that mantle.
And so we will work with President-elect Trump to make America great again. When his solutions make sense, he will have our vote. When he loses his way, we will hold him accountable. In short, we will be a faithful opposition; we will offer better solutions. That is how America works, even if it’s not the America that Hillary Clinton wants us to be."
Bryan Dean Wright is a former CIA ops officer and member of the Democratic Party. He contributes on issues of politics, national security, and the economy. Follow him on Twitter @BryanDeanWright.
"As a Democrat, I am frustrated and ashamed."
Jill Stein requested a recount to ensure every vote that should be counted gets counted.
It makes not one bit of difference whether HRC's campaign joins that effort or not.
The recount was already requested by the Green Party.
If you really want to feel ashamed of some fellow Americans who are actually behaving badly, try these:
Trump supporter demonstrates her white privilege
Trump supporter demonstrates his alt-right pride.
so they were both yelling.
Hard to tell with the one lady what happened to get her so upset in the first place, though certainly at that point you leave the purchases and walk out.
this is what Hillary supporters do...
VIOLENCE.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/protesters-assault-trump-supporters-eggs-bottles-punches-after-rally-n585096
and the riots by BLM movement, and destruction of property and you are concerned the two people yelling ? really ?
http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/10/trump-supporter-beat-up-chicago-fight/
and can't forget this stellar mom.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/mom-kicks-out-son-for-voting-trump-in-schools-mock-election/
face it. your supporters are a bunch of thugs.
"face it. your supporters are a bunch of thugs."
...says the bubble dweller.
Look in the mirror.
Trump is the one winning all the white power groups' support, not Hillary.
The FBI is not reporting any upticks in mother's throwing out kids for their inconsequential high school mock voting.
In fact I'm pretty sure kids get thrown out of families for being LGBT much more often than they do for mock voting at school.
And you don't often hear about armed blacks going around shooting up worshippers at white churches or bombing them, or defacing them or their call to community signs with graffiti like "Trump Won - White Power" scrawled in paint across them and on the brick walls of the church's cemetery.
They call themselves Christians too.
Fact: FBI Report Shows Spike in Hate Crimes Nationwide; Crimes Against Muslims Had Sharpest Increase
Fact: 'Make America White Again': Hate speech and crimes post-election
"so they were both yelling."
No, actually, it was quite a bit more than just a cat fight of two women yelling, and actually if you watch the video with your eyes and ears open, it will become abundantly clear only one person was yelling, the racist white woman who had a meltdown and accused a black cashier of racism because the store was out of large bags and offered her a $1 reusable bag instead. The white lady accused the manager of discrimination too, but the video clearly indicates the manager remained calm and did a great job handling the white lady's attack of the vapors.
Oh the horror of those damn uppity worker type folks, huh?
< eye roll >
Meanwhile, beyond the bubble we learn...
After 'Racist' Rant At Michaels, Over $18,000 Raised For Berated Manager
"LAKEVIEW — A woman apparently enraged by a suggestion she buy a larger grocery bag for her Michaels purchases unleashed her fury on two employees at the Lakeview store the day before Thanksgiving.
Several people recorded the episode in videos that have since gone viral, during which the customer calls a black cashier "an animal" and suggests that the cashier and the manager, who are both African American, are discriminating against her because she voted for Donald Trump in the presidential election.
During the 10-minute YouTube video — which had almost 150,000 views as of Monday morning — the woman berates bystanders for recording her and declares that Michaels' corporate offices are "going to have a s--- show" after she reports the alleged discrimination.
Michaels said in a statement to DNAinfo that the store does not tolerate discrimination or racism of any kind against employees or customers.
"We regret that our customers and team members were affected by this unfortunate incident and are grateful for the leadership of our store team in working to resolve it without further escalation," said Michaels.
Jessie Grady, a witness who posted the YouTube video and subsequently launched a GoFundMe on Saturday, said she was at the store to buy a Santa hat for her 2-year-old daughter when she saw the woman making a scene.
Grady only managed to capture the 10 minutes seen in the video, but she said the woman used various racial and homophobic slurs before the recording began.
"But the manager was so calm," Grady said. "Her tone never changed."
Grady said the "racist temper tantrum" lasted about 45 minutes and many customers stood by the manager throughout the whole ordeal to await police.
"You don't see it in the video, but people were standing up," Grady said. "I'm happy that the community came out and showed that we care about her."..."
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Another white lady melts down
And teaches her kid in the stroller how it's done.
again, don't think it is a big deal.
That lady lost her temper and behaved badly.
But she wasn't running around shooting cops sitting in patrol cars.
Or throwing eggs at people at Trump rallies
Or pushing over people at Trump rallies
Or vandalizing property (Trump star)
Or stealing stuff and assaulting a homeless lady trying to protect the Trump star
Or rioting in the streets and causing millions of damage to property because the Baltimore mayor told people they needed "space to destroy"
There is a line between yelling and vandalism/assault.
But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
Oh for heaven's sake. Stop with the frigging insults.
I most certainly know the difference between yelling and committing a crime.
What type of crimes are increasing in America these days?
Hate crimes.
"But she wasn't running around shooting cops sitting in patrol cars."
You're right, she wasn't. Nor was she shooting black motorists reaching for their ID as instructed by the cop who then proceeded to shoot them or partially severing any necks as they drive detained citizens to jail.
Or throwing eggs at people at Trump rallies
That's right and she didn't TP anybody either.
She also did no sucker punching of any First Amendment protesters and then saying "The next time we see him, we might have to kill him."
"Or pushing over people at Trump rallies"
Or seeing any "fun" in the Violence at Trump rallies
"Or vandalizing property (Trump star)"
The City of Los Angeles will pay the cost of repair.
You might be happy to know it won't cost you a nickel
Or stealing stuff and assaulting a homeless lady trying to protect the Trump star
Nope, the white lady having the meltdown at the store and the white man having the meltdown on the airplane were not assaulting any homeless ladies.
Hopefully some rich Trump supporter making a ton of money or even Trump himself might help his homeless star-protecter out.
Or rioting in the streets and causing millions of damage to property because the Baltimore mayor told people they needed "space to destroy"
Granted, Rawlings employed a poor choice of words but her remark came after the riots began, not before and therefore was not the cause of them as you imply here.
People did not riot because of anything the mayor said.
They rioted because they knew the six cops who arrested, transported, and caused the life-ending injuries of unarmed Freddie Gray for having committed no crime at all would get away with it.
And they did. Not guilty, not one of them and Freddie's still dead for having committed no crime whatsoever.
Yet you support the man who supports the unconstitutional practice of Stop and Frisk.
We can keep this pissing contest going if you want, but nothing you've said changes any one of these facts:
Fact: FBI Report Shows Spike in Hate Crimes Nationwide; Crimes Against Muslims Had Sharpest Increase
Fact: 'Make America White Again': Hate speech and crimes post-election
If Freddie Gray committed no crime whatsoever, and the six officers are guilty of killing him, why were the first three cases thrown out ? prompting even mosby to drop charges are the remaining three ? and the officers are now suing Mosby for defamation ?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-miller-pretrial-motions-20160727-story.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/us/baltimore-marilyn-mosby-officer-lawsuits-freddie-gray/
Mosby also told the police to stand down, prompting more destruction of property. And paid millions to his family while the business owners whose property was destroyed in the looting were not reimbursed. didn't Baltimore also pay settlements to folks who were tear gassed when they attempted to get people to disperse and go home ?
Baltimore and Ferguson and BLM most definitely contributed to Trumps win.
Regular "uppity working" people aren't cool with violent rioting and destruction of property. It's NEVER OK. And especially when the police let the rioting happen. That situation didn't get under control until Larry Hogan said ENOUGH. thank you Larry.
And I am perfectly okay with stop and frisk. It did a wonderful job of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
I don't believe the constitutionality of it was ever decided by the Supreme court, there was a lower court ruling and appeal stalled.
This election, the uppity working people (who usually stay out of politics because they are busy working) rose up and said "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH".
And you lost.
Big time.
Just keep it up with the attitude, because the silent majority is still listening to you.....
I would love to see an 8 year Trump stretch followed by an 8 year Pence administration.
So you can keep up the name-calling, actually I hope you do. It turns off people.
More BLM riots in Democratic cities just prompt the rest of the country to be more determined in their resolve to never let liberals in charge again.
Have you seen the county by county map of the election ? If not I would suggest you look at it.
You are no longer a US party. You are a coastal party.
Totally and completely marginalized. Which is great.
Because most people do support our cops and most people do want law and order.
Have a great day.
Wyatt/bad anonymous said "If Freddie Gray committed no crime whatsoever, and the six officers are guilty of killing him, why were the first three cases thrown out ? prompting even mosby to drop charges are the remaining three ? and the officers are now suing Mosby for defamation ?".
Obviously Freddie Gray committed no crime and the justice system is biased against black people. Mosby dropped the charges because it is obvious justice won't be served. The crooked cops are suing for defamation because they're used to getting away with murder and they want to pretend they did nothing wrong.
Oh yeah, Trump did great in Baltimore -- he really slaughtered the vote there.
Yes, I've seen the county maps, know about REDMAP and have seen at least one recent court decision declaring partisan gerrymandered election maps unconstitutional.
Gerrymandering is how, for example, in 2012 Democratic statehouse candidates won 51 percent of the vote in Pennsylvania, which voted for Barack Obama in the presidential election, yet those candidates ended up with only 28 percent of the seats in the legislature.
I'm sure that exactly what the framers had in mind.
I am also aware of how many human being living in those many rural red counties depend on Obamacare and will not be happy to lose it.
Too bad!
It is nineteen days since he won the election and your Pu--y Predator President-Elect has already shown us that rather than being "so presidential that you people will be so bored," he's still an unhinged twittiot.
Enjoy!
And I am perfectly okay with stop and frisk. It did a wonderful job of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
Bubble dweller!
FACT: New York City Murder Rate Drops To Historic Low:
The city’s overall low crime statistics were recorded during a period of historically few stop-and-frisks.
Obamacare is one reason that a lot of folks also voted for Trump.
It's not very popular with the working class .....
like the waitress I had a long conversation with in Florida on my last business trip.
she would have retired by now but her premiums have gone up so very drastically that past couple of years that she has to keep working...
and interestingly enough, her insurance company blamed the increases on Obamacare.
and apparently this was quite the discussion around the watercooler at the restaurant she has worked at for 15 years.
Our insurance plan we have had for 20 years was also cancelled - had to go on an HSA this year. Premiums up almost double from pre-obama care, deductibles are 5x what they used to be, same issue with OOP caps.
It's not too popular.
Tons of people losing their health care plans, losing their doctors, their health care expenses more than doubling....
folks not going to the doctor because the deductibles are 2K when they used to be a couple hundred a person.
You can't sell Obamacare.
The 80% of folks who were perfectly happy with their health insurance and health plans have all directly felt the impact.
But sure, you keep pushing Obamacare as well.
Trump to Pence ..... 16 years :-)
BTW.
I also am against gerrymandering.
So I am sure you are opposed to what our Democratic govt did to the state of Maryland, right ?
"So I am sure you are opposed to what our Democratic govt did to the state of Maryland, right ?"
That's right, it's unfair everywhere.
And I am sure you are just as opposed to the gerrymandering on steroids the Grab Our Pu--y party has done to control many state legislatures as you are about the Democratic controlled Maryland State Legislature, right?
"like the waitress I had a long conversation with"
You should have reminded the waitress what our premiums and coverage were like before the ACA was passed, when the insurance companies could bankrupt a family because pre-existing conditions were not covered.
How soon they forget the massive annual premium price increases before the ACA was passed.
Oh and BTW, "Trump own shares in big pharma companies including Pfizer, Merck, Celgene and GlaxoSmithKline" and no doubt smells more personal profit to be made.
Trump should take his own advice and "go fuck himself" and then go "Trump that bitch!"
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"Have you seen the county by county map of the election ? If not I would suggest you look at it.
You are no longer a US party. You are a coastal party."
Have you seen the map of the 867 Post-Election Hate Incidents?
That is after the campaign of the man you support - a campaign marked by incendiary racial statements, the stoking of white racial resentment, and attacks on so-called “political correctness.”
I'd suggest you take a look at it.
The Grab Our Pu--y party is a bicoastal party of hate incidents.
Federal court orders North Carolina special elections after finding “racial gerrymander” of state legislative districts unconstitutional
Judges find a state map illegally packed African-American and Hispanic voters into a few districts
"North Carolina lawmakers have been ordered by a U.S. federal court to redraw 28 state House and Senate districts and to hold a special legislative election next year after the judges struck down the state’s legislative map as an unconstitutional “racial gerrymander.”
A three-judge panel of the Middle District of North Carolina ruled Tuesday that the Republican-drawn legislative map had illegally packed African-American and Hispanic voters into a few districts, ruling that 28 of them were unconstitutional racial gerrymanders.
Republicans will enjoy a 74-seat supermajority in the state House and a 35-seat supermajority in the state Senate for the new session that starts in January. On Tuesday, judges ordered lawmakers to redraw certain districts by March 15, meaning those elected to the state House and Senate a few weeks ago in those districts would serve just one year, not two as expected.But according to the new court order, a new primary would be held in late August or early September – the legislature is responsible for setting the exact date – with the general election in November 2017.
“This gives the state a total of seven months from the time the districts were held to be unconstitutional, which is longer than it took the 2011 legislature to redistrict the entire state,” read the order by Judges James Wynn, Thomas Schroeder and Catherine Eagles. The ruling also requires lawmakers to submit new maps to the court within seven days of passage.
An appeal of Tuesday’s ruling has already been submitted to the U.S. Supreme Court, according to WRAL.
In a joint statement, Republican Rep. David Lewis and Sen. Bob Rucho blasted the ruling as a “politically motivated decision, which would effectively undo the will of millions of North Carolinians just days after they cast their ballots.”
This is a major blow to Republican control of the state legislature in North Carolina.
Tuesday’s ruling is just the latest in a long line of court decisions faulting North Carolina’s legislature over its racial and partisan gerrymandering schemes..."
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