Survey Finds Transgender Support and Understanding
A survey that came out this week proved me wrong. I had thought that most of the public was essentially unaware of transgender people, of who they are and what kinds of obstacles they have to deal with. But a survey of Americans by the Public Religion Research Institute found that:
This is great news. The proportion of transgender people in the population is unknown but one tenth of one percent is a frequently given number, about one in a thousand. I had assumed that most people did not have a clear picture of the concept, and that the public was generally not sympathetic, but this survey finds otherwise.
Cool idea. I'm glad they asked that question that way.
Here is their summary of findings from the survey:
Of course, saying you are well-informed isn't the same as being well-informed, but we'll go ahead and give people credit for having given the subject a thought.
Our state, Maryland, will likely follow up on last year's momentum to pass a statewide gender identity nondiscrimination bill. It will go much more smoothly if people understand the issues. In Montgomery County and other places, the Nutty Ones have pretended it has something to do with men going into the ladies room. If people are informed about the issues though, as this survey suggests, that approach won't have any effect.
Overwhelming majorities of Americans, across the political and religious spectrum, believe that transgender people should have the same general rights and legal protections as other people, a new survey finds.
The August and September Religion and Politics Tracking Surveys were conducted by Public Religion Research Institute and released amid the increased attention towards transgender issues following Chaz Bono’s appearance on ABC’s Dancing with the Stars. The combined surveys constitute one of the first independent studies of attitudes on transgender issues and Americans’ knowledge of transgender identity.
“Three out of four Americans say Congress should pass employment nondiscrimination laws that protect transgender people,” said Dr. Robert P. Jones, CEO of Public Religion Research Institute. “This strong support is also broad, persisting across party lines and the religious spectrum.” Strong Majorities Favor Rights & Legal Protections for Transgender People
This is great news. The proportion of transgender people in the population is unknown but one tenth of one percent is a frequently given number, about one in a thousand. I had assumed that most people did not have a clear picture of the concept, and that the public was generally not sympathetic, but this survey finds otherwise.
Approximately three-quarters (74%) of Americans also favor Congress’ recent expansion of hate crimes legislation to protect transgender people. Additionally, the survey found that roughly two-thirds of Americans both report being well informed about transgender people and issues, and generally understand what the term “transgender” means, the new survey finds.
“To explore whether Americans know what the term ‘transgender’ means, we allowed them to define ‘transgender’ in their own words,” said Daniel Cox, PRRI Research Director. “More than two-thirds of Americans were able to give an essentially accurate definition of the term ‘transgender’ without any assistance.”
Cool idea. I'm glad they asked that question that way.
Here is their summary of findings from the survey:
Overwhelming majorities of Americans agree that transgender people should have the same general rights and legal protections as others.
- Approximately 9-in-10 (89%) Americans—including strong majorities of all religious and partisan groups—agree that transgender people deserve the same rights and protections as other Americans.
Approximately three-quarters of Americans both say Congress should pass employment nondiscrimination laws to protect transgender people, and favor Congress’s recent expansion of hate crimes legislation to protect transgender people.
- Three-quarters (75%) of Americans agree that Congress should pass laws to protect transgender people from job discrimination. This support persists across the political and religious spectrum.
- Approximately three-quarters (74%) of Americans also favor Congress’ recent expansion of federal hate crime laws to include crimes committed on the basis of the victim’s gender, sexual orientation or gender identity, compared to only 22% who oppose.
Approximately two-thirds of Americans both report being well informed about transgender people and issues, and generally understand what the term “transgender” means.
- Two-thirds of Americans agree that they feel well informed about transgender persons and issues, while 3-in-10 disagree.
- In order to determine whether Americans understood the term “transgender,” PRRI conducted a follow-up survey in September 2011 that asked respondents to report what the term “transgender” meant to them in their own words. Among the 91% of Americans who report that they have heard of the term transgender, 76% give an essentially accurate definition. Thus, overall, more than two-thirds (69%) of Americans are able to identify what the term “transgender” means without any assistance.
Of course, saying you are well-informed isn't the same as being well-informed, but we'll go ahead and give people credit for having given the subject a thought.
Our state, Maryland, will likely follow up on last year's momentum to pass a statewide gender identity nondiscrimination bill. It will go much more smoothly if people understand the issues. In Montgomery County and other places, the Nutty Ones have pretended it has something to do with men going into the ladies room. If people are informed about the issues though, as this survey suggests, that approach won't have any effect.
posted by JimK at 10:17 AM
36 Comments:
"Overwhelming majorities of Americans, across the political and religious spectrum, believe that transgender people should have the same general rights and legal protections as other people"
this is as it always been
there is no evidence that anyone has ever believed that people who have deluded themselves into believing they are a different gender than they are should have fewer rights and protections than mentally stable people
"The combined surveys constitute one of the first independent studies of attitudes on transgender issues and Americans’ knowledge of transgender identity"
wheeeeeeee!!!
“Three out of four Americans say Congress should pass employment nondiscrimination laws that protect transgender people”
then 3 outta 4 are wrong
discrimination laws are a hindrance to economic activity, freedom, and fairness
they should be used as a last resort and, possibly, never at all
"This is great news"
au contraire
"The proportion of transgender people in the population is unknown but one tenth of one percent is a frequently given number"
so, if it's unknown, of course "teach the facts" will make up their own facts
let's just round it up to zero
"Approximately three-quarters of Americans also favor Congress’ recent expansion of hate crimes legislation to protect transgender people"
you asked the wrong question
you would have a completely different result if you had asked:
do you thinks crime against guys who think they are girls should be more heavily penalized than crimes against the young and the elderly?
"Our state, Maryland, will likely follow up on last year's momentum to pass a statewide gender identity nondiscrimination bill"
if it's so likely, why didn't it pass last time?
". It will go much more smoothly if people understand the issues"
that's true
if they understand that most transgenders are able to find employment and that no cases have been brought in Montgomery County since a similar law went into effect, legislators will see there is no reason to muck up the legal code with another useless and unnecessary law
"In Montgomery County and other places, the Nutty Ones have pretended it has something to do with men going into the ladies room"
that's one aspect of the issue and TTF likes to pretend it is the only one
"If people are informed about the issues though, as this survey suggests, that approach won't have any effect"
it might still have an effect
who wants to force people to let guys shower with girls?
that's what's nutty
"that's one aspect of the issue and TTF likes to pretend it is the only one "
Regular readers of this blog are aware the website name selected by those opposed to non-discrimination protection for gender identity that is identical to the non-discrimintation protection we already provide for religion, age, gender, etc., was "Not My Shower.com." Their entire pitch to the public was to pretend giving the same rights to trans folk as we give to religious folk would have "something to do with men going into the ladies room."
How many men have we heard about lurking in local ladies rooms since the bill passed?
Zero, nada, zip.
actually, can you think of one concrete, positive way this law has helped anybody?
Zero, nada, zip?
ha-ha!
that's a TTF-style silence, right there
they know there is no reason for this transman law except to further the gay agenda
whenever their arguments are shot down, they have nothing to say
Zero, nada, zip.
I don't think you have anyone's attention, anon, it is not an interesting question. People now have the law supporting their right to do things they couldn't do before, and that is good to have. It might not have done anything for you, I'm sorry. I am pretty sure the legal system in general gives you the advantage.
"I don't think you have anyone's attention, anon, it is not an interesting question. People now have the law supporting their right to do things they couldn't do before"
all I had asked for was one example of someone who did something that they didn't have the right to do before
I suspect that the silence has less to do with how fascinating the question is than the fact that the law was passed for no reason other than to gain governmental endorsement of transgenderism for propaganda purposes
it's similar to the energy being expended to change the definition of marriage to included homosexual fling partners
not because homosexuals are interested in marrying but to dilute the meaning of a heterosexual institution
go ahead, provide us with one example of a person who invoked this transcrimination law to correct some injustice they incurred
ah, silence steeped in propaganda and hypocrisy
transcrimination is a hoax
Anon, how would you propose measuring whehter the antidiscrimination law has had any effect or not?
how about if a transman applied for a job and wasn't hired and got lawyered up and forced Hooters to hire him as a waitress?
if no one has invoked the law is some situation of injustice, it would indicate that the law was unnecessary
of course it's unnecessary
trans are handling life just fine without governmental intervention
the polls showing 90% of people believe transters deserve the same rights as everyone else proves fairly conclusively that there is not pervasive discrimination and there is no need for any legislation
does it bother you or hurt you in some way, anon?
unnecessary laws?
it hurts everyone
apparently not having these laws wasn't hurting anyone at all
wouldn't be a nicer world if everyone would stop trying to get the government to give them special rights and protections?
if everybody did it, can't you see, what a crazy, mixed-up, no-fun world it would be?
Tell you what, how would you liek a trade - repeal the gender identity law and we'll also repeal the consitutional protections for religion, including freedom of religion and tax breaks ... would you want to take that deal? What the hell, we'll throw in "sexual orientation" and "race" with the deal. Would you take that?
<crickets>
"Tell you what, how would you liek a trade - repeal the gender identity law and we'll also repeal the consitutional protections for religion, including freedom of religion and tax breaks ... would you want to take that deal?"
the constitutional perspective of religion is not anything like discrimination laws
as a matter of fact, the constitution disadvantages religious belief by hindering religious expression is certain arenas
the reason for this is that we are a Judeo-Christian society and the Bible teaches that church and state should be seperate spheres
none of this is an excuse for special laws giving unequal protection to certain groups based on their sexual preferences
no trade is necessary
simply right this wrong and treat everyone equally
if religious BS was not legally protcted the rest of us would never put up with the idiocy. Why should we tolerate a handful of haters calling LGBT people ugly names, claiming its their religious belief? Ooh, its protected by government. You'd be laughed out of town if the government didnt protect you.
"if religious BS was not legally protcted the rest of us would never put up with the idiocy"
really?
tell us what you would do to religious people if the government wasn't restraining you
"Why should we tolerate a handful of haters calling LGBT people ugly names, claiming its their religious belief?"
hmmm...by "tolerate", what do you mean?
what would ordinarily would be your response to being called a name if the police weren't closely monitoring your activity?
"Ooh, its protected by government."
that sounds kinda gay
"You'd be laughed out of town if the government didnt protect you."
I probably shouldn't do this but I'm gonna let you in on a secret
if you laugh at religious people, the government won't do a thing
neither will religious people, although they may feel sorry for you
another loudmouth TTFer vanquished
Anon stated:
“if they understand that most transgenders are able to find employment and that no cases have been brought in Montgomery County since a similar law went into effect, legislators will see there is no reason to muck up the legal code with another useless and unnecessary law”
“if no one has invoked the law is some situation of injustice, it would indicate that the law was unnecessary”
And asked:
“actually, can you think of one concrete, positive way this law has helped anybody?
Zero, nada, zip?”
Actually I can Anon, and I wrote about them in 2009 and earlier this year:
From a post I made on 15 Mar 09 (unfortunately I didn’t note the thread on this one):
Anon queried:
“Could that be because there are no examples?”
Nope. Maryanne has dozens of instances where her application for employment was denied because of her trans status. She related the gist of those at her testimony in front of the County Council. If memory serves me correctly, I think I heard there were over 20 trans folk down in Annapolis recently giving testimony about discrimination they have faced over the years in support of SB566/HB474.
“Could it be that, in Maryland as a whole, much like here in Montgomery County, there is no problem with discrimination in these areas?”
Nope. I was talking to a friend last night who came out at work this past month. She worked with the Human Resources personnel to come up with the best way to inform the rest of the company for her plans to transition. This is to give time for folks to come to grips with the concept, learn a bit, and prepare themselves for something they may not have had to deal with before. The announcement meeting went surprisingly well and folks had a lot of questions for her to answer. Problems came the next day when the owners (husband and wife) dropped in for a visit.
The husband went into a 20 minute tirade about how they were not going to tolerate that kind of crap at his company before she said “Wait a minute, this is Montgomery County. We have a law against this kind of treatment.” So they didn’t fire her then and there, and for right now she still has a job. She is fully aware that they will probably try and force her out anyway though. They’ll just have to be more careful about how they do it, and not use the “T” excuse. At her age (late 50’s / early 60’s) and this economy, it’s not a good time to lose a job.”
And back in March I informed folks:
28 Mar 11
http://vigilance.teachthefacts.org/2011/03/maryland-gender-identity.html#comments
Anon claimed:
“discrimination laws are diificult (sic) to define and enforce without violating basic rights”
Discrimination laws have been enforced in our country for decades. Certainly there has been controversy over them from a number of complaining quarters, and not everyone agrees with the outcomes of these cases. However, I have yet to see one where someone’s “basic rights” was violated. Can you please provide at least one (preferably more) specific examples of what you’re talking about?
“they should only be enacted as a last ditch measure in extreme cases of hardship
that's not the situation with transgenders
want proof?”
Sure Anon, please provide some proof. You’ve been blathering here for years trying to make that point and never have. So please, feel free to provide proof any time.
Anon asked:
“if it was such a huge problem in MC, why has the only suit to be filed under law made by the person who authored the bill?”
Because most people are smart enough to work through a compromise before going through the hassles of taking their frivolous cases to court.
Being that I actually KNOW trans people living and transitioning in Montgomery county, I can tell you that at least one court battle was averted when a transwoman explained to her co-worker that the situation was becoming unbearable and that she was considering contacting a lawyer. She knew how the rumor mill worked at her company and within two days the situation was fixed. No lawyers, judges, court cases or lawsuits. Just people taking a step back, a deep breath, and chilling out for a bit to find out a better way to deal with the issue.
The one instance of the lawsuit you site isn’t proof of anything, except now that folks have an avenue to pursue cases like that.”
From the twisted pretzel logic department of a mind totally unencumbered by the painful confines of rational thought comes this little nugget:
“the polls showing 90% of people believe transters deserve the same rights as everyone else proves fairly conclusively that there is not pervasive discrimination and there is no need for any legislation”
By this line of reasoning Anon, a hypothetical poll showing that 90% of people agree that arson should be a crime “proves fairly conclusively” that there is not pervasive arson and that there is no need for any legislation.
When people give you a hard time for writing stuff like this Anon, you should not feel you are being persecuted because of your “beliefs” or your “religion.” You are being called out for the same reason that Megyn Kelly called out “Dr.” Ablow when he went on his anti-trans screed about Chaz Bono.
(see http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-lays-into-dr-keith-ablow-over-chaz-bonos-dwts-participation/ )
Megyn called out Ablow because of his woefully tenuous grasp on cause, effect, logic, reasoning, and basic human motivations – not because of his religion, or conservative views (she is a Fox news host after all), but fundamentally because he’s an idiot.
Anon accused:
“I suspect that the silence has less to do with how fascinating the question is than the fact that the law was passed for no reason other than to gain governmental endorsement of transgenderism for propaganda purposes”
Obsequious Anon parroted:
“ah, silence steeped in propaganda and hypocrisy”
Actually Anon, this may come as a surprise, but many of us “liberals” have to work for a living, and commute, take care of tree damage left by the freak October snow storm, go to church on Sunday, buy groceries, and pay bills. We simply don’t have time for a point-by-point counterpoint to the obsessive-compulsive, unpunctuated, single-line snarkasm of every anit-trans / anti-gay rant that some conservative curmudgeon puts up. Nor do we need to. Anyone following this blog for any length of time will come to their own conclusions about the veracity, intelligence, and motivations of these 3 folks, and I’m sure it won’t be too favorable for them.
Besides, when we get done with all of our regular work, house duties and yard chores, you need to save some time for something more intellectually stimulating than trading barbs with someone who has yet to master punctuation -- like building a replica of Noah’s arc (complete with an entire animal menagerie) using nothing but toothpicks, earwax, and belly-button lint. O_o
(And for those of you who won’t figure it out on your own, the last fragment was a joke.)
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
It looks like Cynthia's thoughtful replies have created a CRW-style silence.
Thank you, ma'am.
ea
actually, we're afraid to disagree with cinco, who has special rights as a person more deserving of protection than small children and the elderly
we might be charged with something
maybe a good stiff drink will get our courage up
(hope that didn't excite any of our regular "commenters")
"Our message is clear: take your hands off our wallets, get out of our homes and automobiles, leave our farms and businesses alone, we will choose our doctors, we will eat whatever the hell we want and stop teaching our children trash"
today, Herman Cain had another accuser allege sexual harassment
looks like there's only one way out:
switch to the Democratic Party
Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton are their big heroes
A former rugby-playing Welsh jock claims to have actually "woken up gay" after a gym accident led him to suffer a stroke.
26-year-old Chris Birch was trying to impress his friends with a back flip while training, but broke his neck and suffered a stroke. When he came to after being rushed to the hospital, Birch, who hails from South Wales, said his personality had completely changed. "It sounds strange but when I came round I immediately felt different," said Birch.
Birch says that his most profound discovery came about during the recovery process, while he was watching a TV program featuring a handsome actor. "I felt my stomach flutter and the same feelings I used to have for pretty girls came across me," said Birch, who also added he was no longer interested in sports and had little in common with old friends. "I had never felt like that about a man before but I knew immediately what the feeling was. I fancied him."
Birch says he immediately started losing weight and dramatically altering his looks. Though he returned to his old job in a bank, he soon left his position and, much to the surprise of his friends and family, re-trained as a hairdresser and found work in a salon. Birch now lives with his partner Jack Powell, 19, above the salon.
interesting, so now it appears that homosexuality is the result of irreversible brain damage
Speaking to workers at a steel fabrication plant on Monday, Romney, clad in his class-crossing plaid and jean uniform, proceeded to bash pay for government employees, proclaiming that they "are making a lot more money than we are."
Romney proceeds to say that he would slash the scale of the federal government and cut the number of federal employees if he became president, a proposal that he's laid out in his broader fiscal plan.
"The taxpayers shouldn't have to have money taken out of their pay checks to pay people in government who are our servants who are making a lot more money than we are," Romney continues.
A new study conducted by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) finds that, contrary to popular belief, public-school teachers receive total compensation more than 50 percent greater than that of private sector employees – if you take into account benefits, job security, summer vacations and other factors.
“There’s a widespread belief among people -- really across the political spectrum -- from laymen, to politicians, to scholars, that existing teachers are underpaid in terms of their wages and benefits,” said Jason Richwine, Ph.D., senior policy analyst for empirical Studies at the conservative Heritage Foundation, and coauthor of the study.
“The reality is that it’s just not true,” Richwine said.
The study, “Assessing the Compensation of Public-School Teachers,” was unveiled Tuesday, in an event held at AEI, in Washington, D.C.
In 2010, an Associated Press-Stanford University poll found that 57 percent of people believe teachers are underpaid. The same poll found that only 7 percent believe teachers are overpaid.
“There’s no way to look at the data and conclude that they are underpaid,” Richwine said. “They are certainly paid more than they can get if they work in the private sector and certain policy implications flow directly from that.”
In fact, Richwine and co-author Andrew G. Biggs, a resident scholar at AEI, found that “public-school teachers receive compensation about 52 percent higher than their skills would otherwise garner in the private sector,” Richwine said.
While overall compensation between public-sector teachers and private-sector workers appears equal, the new study identifies flaws in statistical data when accounting for the benefits received by teachers.
By factoring in discrepancies in benefits in the private versus the public sector, as well as in education and skills of teachers and non-teachers, the study found the disparity is “equivalent to more than $120 billion overcharged to taxpayers each year.”
The study asked the fundamental question: “Do teachers currently receive the proper level of compensation?” Richwine says no.
“The average public school teacher -- certainly not all -- but the average school teacher makes considerably more as a teacher than he or she would if they were in the private sector,” he said.
The study finds that when a teacher leaves the profession their wages decrease, and when measured against private schools, public teachers earn nearly 10 percent more.
"A new study conducted by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) "
you lost me right there, anon
it is easy to see why tehese guys are against teachers
Teachers won big in Ohio last night. All workers and union members did. Yesterday was not a good day to be a tea bagger.
""One message rang loud and clear tonight in Ohio and across the country: those who spend their time scapegoating workers and pushing a partisan agenda will only strengthen the resolve of working people," said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka. "From the very beginning, it’s been clear that Gov. Kasich, and indeed many politicians, were pushing an agenda that was about politics, not about solving our nation’s problems or creating jobs."
"Even after John Kasich locked the doors to democracy and shut out everyday heroes from the Statehouse, in the cold, blister of February -- working people never lost hope. We marched in the spring, circulated petitions in the summer and now, this fall, we delivered a win for all working people by defeating Issue 2, repealing Senate Bill 5," added Becky Williams, president of SEIU District 1199 in Ohio.
Kasich held a press conference shortly after the fate of Issue 2 had been declared, saying it was time for him to "take a deep breath" and figure out what to do next.
"When I say it is a time to pause, it is right now, on this issue," he said. "The people have spoken clearly. You don't ignore the public. Look, I also have an obligation to lead. I've been leading since the day I took this office, and I'll continue to do that. But part of leading is listening and hearing what people have to say to you.""
All the Koch brothers and Karl Rove cash in the world couldn't overcome the will of the people. Call Congress and tell the super committee to make sure they carry out the will of the people: Tax millionaires at higher rates, tax wall every street transaction at least until they pay back their bail out, and keep your hands off our Medicare and Social Security.
Also yesterday, another woman stepped up to accuse tea bagger favorite Herbert Cain of sexual improprieties. Now there are five accusers and the two who spoke out yesterday are both Republicans. So much for Cain's attempt to blame the "Democrat machine!" Tea party supporter Sharon Bialek said he "put his hand on my leg, up my skirt, and towards my genitals," and directed her face toward his private place. When she protested, he said "You want a job, right?"
What Ms. Bialek alleges is sexual assault.
Cain seems to have a weakness for blonds. At his press conference, Cain tried to shame Bialek into submission with an attack on her financial history. In spite of her fear of becoming another "Anita Hill," Karen Kraushaar, who if Cain acts like he did for Bialek will be attacked in the press, wants all his alleged victims to give a joint press conference to get all the facts about the history of his mistreatment of women out in the open. It's time to bring Cain's ever-evolving story and personal attacks on his accusers into clear focus.
Was Cain born to sexually harass women or did he have a stroke or did the Heritage Foundation tell him to go for it "contrary to popular belief?"
Anon asserted:
“actually, we're afraid to disagree with cinco, who has special rights as a person more deserving of protection than small children and the elderly”
Actually Anon, I’m still trying to get the same rights as dogs. Thanks to the “Dining Out Growth Act of 2011 which went into effect July 1st, (House Bill 941: http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/bills/hb/hb0941t.pdf ), my friends all over the state can bring their dogs out to dine with them at restaurants with outdoor dining facilities. Unfortunately, since the same legislative body failed to pass a gender-identity inclusive anti-discrimination bill, it’s entirely possible that if my friends in Frederick invite me along to dinner with them and their lovely dog Fido, the restaurant owner can refuse to allow me in the restaurant because I’m trans. The dog would be fine though.
I find this situation particularly ironic and irksome since I have all my shots, I’m completely housebroken, I’m good with kids, I’ve never bitten anyone, and I’ve even been neutered. Although I typically do not “lick the plate clean,” I’d like to see Fido calculate a 15 to 20% tip on the tab. Despite having “Growth Act” in the name, I’ve never seen a dog actually pay the restaurant bill, while transsexuals like me do it all the time. Do they really think these dogs are going to contribute THAT much to the Maryland economy?
Anon noted:
“interesting, so now it appears that homosexuality is the result of irreversible brain damage”
Indeed, it appears heterosexuality is too.
From: http://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=103849
“Altered Sexual Orientation Following Dominant Hemisphere Infract” (sic)
“Case Report
The patient, a 57-year-old right-handed man, sustained his first cerebral vascular accident in the right middle cerebral artery region at the age of 45, which resulted in right-sided hemi paresis that resolved completely within 3 months. He continued to run his private business successfully while living with his mother.
The patient lost his father in early childhood. There was no evidence of an emotional or conduct disorder during school years, and the patient eventually obtained his university degree. He continued to manage his successful practice until he sustained the second cerebral vascular accident in the left middle cerebral artery region at age 53.
The patient became aware of his homosexual orientation in his early teens and had several gay partners. …
The patient started complaining of his changed personality and heterosexual orientation 6 months after his second stroke. At the same time he complained of excessive mood swings and changed interests. He became preoccupied with photography and had a successful photographic exhibition a year after his second stroke. His sexual orientation remained heterosexual 4 years following the second stroke, and he preferred to describe himself as bisexual because of his previous homosexual orientation.”
So this begs the question, are Christians going to try and induce strokes in gay men to “cure” their homosexuality? I thought electrocution was a pretty brutal method of trying to do this, and that it went away more than a decade ago. How naive I was. Apparently Christians are still trying it - see description and video #2 (the one right after “Exorcism”) at:
“11 Ridiculous, Strange, And Terrifying Gay Conversion Therapy Methods For 'Curing' Homosexuality”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/31/11-conversion-therapy-methods-curing-homosexuality_n_1068103.html
However, “Transplants” (#9) may take the cake:
“Eugen Steinach (1861-1944), director of the Biological Institute in Vienna, believed that homosexuality was the result of hormonal imbalances.
To prove his hypothesis, the scientist implanted sex organs in neutered rats and Guinea pigs and claimed to have conducted successful "sex change" operations on the rodents.
Steinach's research didn't end with animals. He also transplanted testicles from heterosexual men into gay men in hopes of "remasculizing (sic) the recipient.”
Until of course, you see #10: “Cocaine, Strychnine, Genital Mutilation”
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
Face it anon, you're in over your head here. Cynthia's playing cat and mouse with you and yes, you are the mouse.
that's why I'm keeping quiet
even if she wasn't getting special protection and favoritism from the MC government, which she is, I saw her go up to an innocent elderly petitioner at the Leisure World Shopping Center and tower over him
I ain't messin' with dat!!
but maybe I'll change my mind later and give her an anonymous verbal zinger
Anon declared:
“even if she wasn't getting special protection and favoritism from the MC government, which she is, I saw her go up to an innocent elderly petitioner at the Leisure World Shopping Center and tower over him”
Here’s a helpful hint for you Anon: why just use words when you can actually show the pictures? They are far more effective. In fact, here are some pictures from that day at Leisure World:
http://vigilance.teachthefacts.org/2008/02/countering-petitions.html#comments
You can see me and the “innocent elderly petitioner” together in the same picture (I was 40 when this picture was taken, btw). Why I must be at least 2, maybe even 3 inches taller than this guy in my big furry boots. He probably had a sore neck the next day, from cowering under all my towering svelte brunettitude. Hopefully the hug from Marryanne made him feel better.
“but maybe I'll change my mind later and give her an anonymous verbal zinger”
Thanks Anon, but please keep in mind my eating habits – only whole-grain organic zingers for me – none of that industrialized plastic food stuff.
Heading off for a temporary crown on #31.
Have a nice day,
Cynthia
oof, anon's brain is a speed bag. That must hurt!
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