Thursday, June 15, 2017

Trump Cabinet Meets

This went on for eleven minutes, I will clip from Vanity Fair's review of the first Trump cabinet meeting.

Note: This is not satire.

It started with Trump speaking a few words.
“Never has there been a president, with few exceptions . . . who has passed more legislation, done more things,” he began, hailing his purported accomplishments, even though Congress has yet to pass any major legislative bills. “We’ve achieved tremendous success. I think we’ve been about as active as you can possibly be and at a just about record-setting pace.” Trump Appointees Take Turns Praising Him In Bizarre Cabinet Meeting
In case you are wondering if your memory is going, no, you're fine. Trump has not passed any legislation.

They started with Mike Pence breaking the ice:
“It is the greatest privilege of my life to serve as the vice president to a president who is keeping his word to the American people,” he said.

Jeff Sessions came up next:
“It’s an honor to be able to serve you,” he said, describing the support he said Trump has from law enforcement across the country. “They have been very frustrated [and] they are so thrilled.”

Alex Acosta, Secretary of Labor:
“I’m deeply honored and I want to thank you for keeping your commitment to the American workers.”

Worse Than the Average Citizen Secretary of Energy Rick Perry got his turn:
“My hat’s off to you,” Energy Secretary Rick Perry said, hailing Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement.
Though he is from Texas, he was not actually wearing a hat. I guess this explains why it was off.

Reince Priebus, who has held on to the worst job evah for this long anyway:
“On behalf of the entire senior staff around you, Mr. President, we thank you for the opportunity and the blessing you’ve given us to serve your agenda and the American people, and we’re continuing to work very hard every day to accomplish those goals.”

Are you ready to puke yet?

Now it was Nikki Haley's turn, you know, the renegade UN ambassador who speaks her mind no matter what the White House wants her to say:
“It’s a new day at the United Nations. We now have a very strong voice.”
Maybe she meant her own voice, though I would think she would tiptoe around any approximation of vanity in this situation.

OMB Director Mick Mulvaney:
“At your direction, we were able to also focus on the forgotten men and women who are paying taxes, so I appreciate your support on pulling that budget together.”
He is referring to the "dead on arrival" budget that Congress is ignoring.

HHS Secretary Tom Price:
“What an incredible honor it is to lead the Department of Health and Human Services at this pivotal time under your leadership. I can’t thank you enough for the privilege that you’ve given me, and the leadership you’ve shown.”

This is how to have a staff meeting. Why all the problems all the time? Don't worry, be happy, and worship your fearless leader. Or they walk you out and disappear you. Your choice.

Elaine Chao, Secretary of Transportation:
“Thank you for coming over to the Department of Transportation. Hundreds and hundreds of people were so thrilled to hang out, watching the whole ceremony. I want to thank you for getting this country moving again, and also working again.”
And tens and tens of them might still have a job if the Trump budget, with 13 percent cuts to DoT, passes. This Just In

Do you remember how we laughed when Saddam said he got ninety-nine per cent of the vote? How far are we from that now?

Robert Lighthizer, U.S. Trade Representative:
“I apologize for being late for work. For about four months, I got bogged down in that swamp you’ve been trying to drain.”
I missed the video but presume this got a hearty, and not at all ironic, laugh from the swamp creatures.

Sonny Perdue, Secretary of Agriculture:
“I just got back from Mississippi. They love you there.”

Steven Mnuchin, Secretary of the Treasury:
“It’s been a great honor traveling with you around the country for the past year, and an even greater honor to be serving you on your Cabinet . . .”

We have rolled our eyes at dictators past and present for this kind of thing, surrounding themselves with sycophants, firing those who fail to pledge loyalty. It is very strange and difficult now to see ourselves cast as residents of a country like this.

55 Comments:

Anonymous Putting COUNTRY ahead of party said...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-overwhelming-votes-to-curtail-trumps-power-to-ease-up-on-russia-sanctions/2017/06/14/8c02d73a-5134-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html

"...if the Senate’s vote is any guide, congressional support for the measure will probably be veto-proof. The House has yet to vote on the measure, which was added as an amendment to a popular bill stiffening sanctions against Iran for that country’s recent ballistic missile tests.

Even the president’s staunchest supporters voted in lockstep with his sharpest critics Wednesday to endorse the Russia sanctions measure. Senate Banking Committee Chairman Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) referred to it applying “a correct amount of pressure” on Russia that will “ensure Congress exerts proper oversight over the use of these powerful sanctions.”

The measure lawmakers voted on Wednesday would give Congress the chance to block any efforts by the Trump administration — or any other president, for that matter — to roll back sanctions without the consent of Congress.

It would also codify existing sanctions against Russia over its annexation of Crimea and involvement in the war in eastern Ukraine.

The measure would then apply new sanctions against Russia for its activities in Syria, where the Kremlin is supporting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and for its alleged meddling in last year’s U.S. presidential election.

The punitive measures in the legislation are focused on various areas, including the Russian intelligence and defense sectors, parts of its energy sector, and its metals, mining and railways economy. It also includes provisions to better track and combat corruption and illicit financing structures that lead back to Russia."

June 15, 2017 3:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

President Trump denies that he interfered with the Russia probe in any way, but it appears most Americans believe otherwise.

A recent AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll revealed that "six in 10 Americans...think Trump tried to obstruct or impede the investigation."

Only 1 in 5 agree with Trump's decision to fire former FBI Director James Comey.

Notably, there were great variations in the views expressed by Democrats and Republicans. An AP report about the results indicates, "Only a quarter of Republicans feel Trump meddled in the probe."

The poll was conducted from June 8 through 11, ending days before the Washington Post revealed that special counsel is now looking into attempted obstruction of justice by President Trump.

In its Wednesday report, the Post writes, "The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump's conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said."...

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/15/poll-most-americans-think-trump-attempted-to-interfere-in-russia-probe/22304842/

June 16, 2017 7:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ever heard of Stalin?

He was a leftist totalitarian who used to leak information about his enemies before putting on a show trial to convict the.

Kind of like the unelected left in the government are doing now.

Why is Robert Mueller's staff stocked with Hillary supporters?

It's the deep state, baby!

Will democracy survive? Is civil war coming?

"How are we supposed to take the myriad leaks coming from Robert Mueller's special investigation of what I guess we could call "The Russian Matter"?

You would think that on the day Rep. Steve Scalise was shot the lava-like flow of illegal and frequently inaccurate leaked information being promulgated ad infinitum by the Washington Post, the New York Times, and CNN (among others) would stop for a moment's respectful pause, but no -- at least not at the Washington Post.

That very day they were "reporting" [scare quotes deliberate] that five, count 'em five, needless-to-say unnamed "officials" [scare quotes again deliberate] were saying Donald Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

In Thursday's WaPo"exclusive," it's son-in-law Jared Kushner under the leak-o-scope. This article, like the one before, is accompanied by the paper's typical boilerplate that they seem to have in macro. (Do they teach this in j-school now?):

The officials who described the financial focus of the investigation spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

I thought they weren't "authorized" to speak at all. I thought it was against the law to leak -- naive me.

Obviously, the Post doesn't care. A scoop's a scoop to these denizens of digital Grub Street who seem to have to sprung virtually unchanged from the pages of Boswell's "London Journal," or is it Evelyn Waugh?

These leaks have appeared only days after this supposedly confidential investigation began. Where did they come from? Inside the FBI? If so, that organization (with five leakers!) is seriously corrupt and should be disbanded. Yes, you read that correctly. If serial leaks are coming from the FBI, our leading law enforcement agency is betraying the America people and is staffed with a number of criminals of the most despicable entitled sort. They think they know what's best for us hoi polloi, so they are allowed to break the law with impunity when the rest of us poor schmucks have to tow the line on a parking ticket. Over such things are civil wars and revolutions fought (taxation without representation, etc.) -- with justification.

June 16, 2017 12:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is a big story, bigger even than Trump/Russia (well, that wouldn't be hard). Whether or not Trump obstructed justice we have no way of knowing (though Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley are skeptical), but we do know that illegal leakers are all over our government from intelligence agencies to the FBI. This is quite simply totalitarianism on the march, the subversion of the rule of law in a democratic republic.

What we are witnessing is a cross between "Animal Farm" and Ugo Betti's "Corruption in the Palace of Justice" as produced by Jeff Bezos. It also resembles the techniques employed during Stalin's show trials when "information" was leaked to the reliable press to assure the discrediting of defendants in advance of their testimony. Considering what we have seen in recent days, I have no doubt that some of these leakers would love to see both Trump and Kushner sent to the Gulag, if only we had one.

Anyone looking at this investigation with even a tad of objectivity can see that it has been tainted before it has barely started. Leave aside the optics (apologies for the already tired cliché) of the close relationship with Comey and the three Democratic donors in key positions. This leaking is on another level altogether. It is obstruction of justice, in its pure Stalinist form. If I were Robert Mueller, I would be humiliated. If I were not able to find those leakers and prosecute immediately, I would recuse myself.

There is no other way. With the leakers unpunished, Mueller's decisions will not have convinced half the country of what has been referred to by others as their "fairness." They will only exacerbate an already bad situation. And that is -- given the dreadfully divided state of our nation at the moment -- a recipe for civil war."

June 16, 2017 12:53 PM  
Anonymous Whup It Out said...

So ... it turns out what the Republicans want is secret government. The press and the public don't need to know what's going on. Whether it is "leakers" or passing a secret health bill, this is the theme: let the GOP do whatever it wants without scrutiny. Treason, collusion with the enemy, emoluments, nepotism, conflicts of interest, corruption of every sort -- these are fine, to the GOP the "real criminals" are those who tell the public about it.

June 16, 2017 1:16 PM  
Anonymous Confession is good for the soul said...

Terry Heaton, Contributor
Retired television executive; Author, ‘The Gospel of Self: How Jesus Joined the GOP’

How The Religious Right Pioneered Propaganda As News
Before Fox News, there was Pat Robertson’s ‘700 Club,’ where I was an executive producer.


"...Americans find themselves drowning in this unseemly and childish battle for the soul of news and information purveyance, and the undiscussed problem is that the entire mess is built on the false narrative of “the liberal (elite) press.” I know, because I was among the people who advanced the concept and shaped the discussion in the early ‘80s, as senior and executive producer of Pat Robertson’s flagship television program The 700 Club.

Before Fox News, there was The 700 Club with CBN News and “TV Journalism With A Different Spirit.” We knew what we were doing in the exploitation of the word “liberal,” and truth-telling demands its deconstruction today. The all-or-nothing split between conflicting political narratives has reached its pinnacle with the election of Donald Trump, and it needs to be hacked into a million pieces.

William F. Buckley was among the first to give the word “liberal” a pejorative interpretation, but it was the wordsmith William Safire writing for Spiro Agnew who in 1969 elevated it to a political talking point in his famous speech that opened the war against the press during Richard Nixon’s secret battles in Vietnam. The word became the central weapon in a strategy that involved attacking the messenger instead of changing the message.

That political strategy has been so effective to date that it has given birth to the idea that mainstream news is actually “fake news” and not to be believed in the administration of President Donald Trump. The number of people who now believe this falsehood is staggering, and it poses a real threat to our democracy.

At The 700 Club, we exploited attacking the press in order to insert ourselves to the right of everybody else in presenting a Biblical, a.k.a. Republican perspective on current events. We offered a daily news program that expressed Republican party talking points that we marketed as a Christian worldview. Thus began the shifting of evangelicals to the GOP and the shifting of the GOP to the right. We served as the intellectual wing of the Moral Majority, although there was no theological love lost between Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

So let’s look at these events closely, because it has a direct bearing on the conflict today. Let me be very clear: the right-wing “news” that we created was a political response to the progressive nature of news and information. It’s important to understand this, because “right-wing news” is oxymoronic. There is no such thing, because the right represents olds, not news. By definition, news is new, and new is progressive. That conservatives view this as a bias is fine, but elevating that to some evil command-and-control mechanism for political liberals is a false narrative. Rush Limbaugh has made a living off of this phony hegemony, as well as Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and whole host of mostly broadcasting personalities. Why? Because it sells and has been selling for almost 50 years..."

June 16, 2017 3:29 PM  
Anonymous TTF Troll bottoms out said...

Roger L. Simon, the author of the TTF Troll's two part screed about Stalin above," is an Academy Award-nominated screenwriter, award-winning novelist and blogger, and the co-founder of PJ Media."

Simon is the type of writer the Trumpette considers to be reliable news source.

< EYE ROLL >

June 16, 2017 3:44 PM  
Anonymous Out of the mouths of babes said...

Courageous 12-Year-Old Mormon Girl Comes Out As Gay In Front Of Her Entire Church:
“I believe that God wants us to treat each other with kindness, even if people are different — especially if they are different.”

June 16, 2017 5:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So ... it turns out what the Republicans want is secret government. The press and the public don't need to know what's going on."

What an odd statement, coming from an idiot who thought Russia stole the election from Hillary by hacking her e-mail and letting the public "know what's going on"

say, what's your IQ?

"Whether it is "leakers""

you are aware, right, that Obama prosecuted more reporters for espionage than any President in history?

yes, believe or not, criminal investigations are supposed to be confidential until they are concluded

"or passing a secret health bill,"

you are aware, right, that Obamacare was a mystery, even to the Dems who voted lockstep for it? Pelosi said people will like it when they find out what's in it

"this is the theme: let the GOP do whatever it wants without scrutiny."

and by "scrutiny", you mean media lies and anonymous sources, right?

June 17, 2017 12:51 AM  
Anonymous Whup It Out said...

Nobody hacked Hillary's email.

Somebody did hack into the DNC's email and published it but I don't think it did much damage. There was some insider maneuvering to push Hillary ahead of Bernie but I don't think the DNC emails had much effect.

And BTW -- the DNC is not "the government." People and businesses have a right to privacy. Government agencies classify too much information and if you weren't so preoccupied with opposing liberals you would agree with that.

Obamacare was not a mystery, it was published and debated and edited for months before it was voted on. Everybody knew what they were getting, and of course it became a partisan thing because, huh, familiar theme, the Republicans were preoccupied with with opposing liberals.

Trump has a loyal inner circle of ... his family members. Everybody else is along for the handouts. The dumbest thing he could have done, on many levels, was to alienate the intelligence community. Now things will "happen" unexpectedly and he can't prevent them. And he has no secrets.

Republicans like you have defined yourselves as opposing liberals, where "liberals" is a stereotype that you don't understand and that doesn't exist as you have painted it. This oppositional reflex expresses a sort of bitter pointlessness, the party at this point has no beliefs of its own. It was fine to be "the party of No" when you were the underdogs, doesn't work now. SAD.

June 17, 2017 9:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Nobody hacked Hillary's email.

Somebody did hack into the DNC's email and published it but I don't think it did much damage. There was some insider maneuvering to push Hillary ahead of Bernie but I don't think the DNC emails had much effect."

I couldn't agree more. My point wasn't that the leaks did any damage. The point is that Dems have built a whole fantasy scenario that leaks as a result of hacking by Russians, in collusion with Trump, caused them to lose the election. That's pretty hypocritical if you support unlimited leaking of private conversations in the Trump administration. Is there are right to private conversation or not?

"And BTW -- the DNC is not "the government." People and businesses have a right to privacy."

When the President meets with his staff and discusses options he does too. Once he makes a decision, then is the time to discuss. As far as foreign relations, it's a serious impediment to our interests to have a blow by blow publication of every discussion.

"Government agencies classify too much information and if you weren't so preoccupied with opposing liberals you would agree with that."

Actually, I agree with that now. But prosecutors investigating a crime could clearly have their work impeded if their staff is leaking information.

"Obamacare was not a mystery, it was published and debated and edited for months before it was voted on."

Oh, come off it. Pelosi and others at the time admitted they hadn't read it before passing it, much less the public. The public, however, had heard enough that they were strongly opposed. Indeed, in the public's only opportunity to stop it, a Repub won a Senate seat in deep blue Massachusetts by promising to oppose it. Dems then quickly pushed through whatever they had through legislative chicanery to thwart the will of the American voter.

"Everybody knew what they were getting, and of course it became a partisan thing because, huh, familiar theme, the Republicans were preoccupied with with opposing liberals."

Repubs supported the will of their constituency. It's how democracy works.

"Trump has a loyal inner circle of ... his family members. Everybody else is along for the handouts."

He has advisors he trusts. Obama did the same. You may remember that the Obamacare IT systems failed because they gave the job to some friend of Michelle from high school.

"The dumbest thing he could have done, on many levels, was to alienate the intelligence community. Now things will "happen" unexpectedly and he can't prevent them. And he has no secrets."

The intelligence community? Who elected them to oversee our other elected officials?
Trump was elected by us to oversee the intelligence agencies. trump should replace any of them that have a problem with that.

June 17, 2017 1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Republicans like you have defined yourselves as opposing liberals, where "liberals" is a stereotype that you don't understand and that doesn't exist as you have painted it. This oppositional reflex expresses a sort of bitter pointlessness, the party at this point has no beliefs of its own. It was fine to be "the party of No" when you were the underdogs, doesn't work now. SAD."

Wow. What's sad is your lack of self-awareness.

I'm actually a registered Democrat. I've become disillusioned over the years as the Mensheviks have morphed into Bolsheviks. I'd consider myself a libertarian now.

I first got wind of this when I was living in California in the 70s and Jerry Brown was running for re-election. His GOP opponent, Evelle Younger, supported legalization of marijuana. Brown's reaction: "I think it's a substance that should be controlled"

The Dems have been at it ever since: their goal, to control

you make money?

give it to us, we'll decide how it's spent

millions will lose health insurance is Obamacare is repealed?

they don't tell you that this calculation is that with the mandate gone, those are the people that won't be forced to buy insurance

is the climate warmer than it used to be?

there are myriad possible solutions but Dems only favor those that involve regulating behavior

there are people who don't believe in gay marriage and don't feel they should support it?

the government will force them to bake that cake

toward the end, the Obama administration was even discussing how to forcibly impose the racial diversity of America on a block-by-block basis

Dems stand for the idea that the government needs to supervise our lives

June 17, 2017 1:20 PM  
Anonymous Whup It Out said...

you make money?
give it to us, we'll decide how it's spent


Exactly the stereotype I was talking about.

Look at the actual history of taxation, deficits, bang-for-the-buck, with one party or the other in power, and you will see exactly the opposite of this stereotype. It sells in Peoria, but here in DC we see what's going on -- hey, how come you aren't mumbling Hannitarian slogans about your neighbors, the "deep state?" I'm sure career federal employees can be blamed for most of your personal dissatisfaction with life.

June 17, 2017 2:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The point is that Dems have built a whole fantasy scenario that leaks as a result of hacking by Russians, in collusion with Trump, caused them to lose the election. "

This BS is Trump's attempt to deflect attention from his tangled Russian connections.

Mueller will not be deflected. He's going to follow the money.

"As far as foreign relations, it's a serious impediment to our interests to have a blow by blow publication of every discussion."

I know, right?

Yet Trump plays foreign relations things so close to his vest like for instance by doing things like: Trump Vows to Scrutinize 'Dumb' Refugee Deal After a Reportedly Hostile Call with Australia's Leader.

Go figure!

"Oh, come off it."

You come off it.

You are taking a portion of one line out of a 20 minute speech out of context and spinning it just like the the right wing echo chamber has since Pelosi made the comment on March 9, 2009.

Here's Pelosi's entire statement where you can find that one line:

"...“We have to do this in partnership, and I wanted to bring up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals.

“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention–it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation–innovation begins in the classroom–clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon.

“We must have the courage, though, to get the job done. We have the ideas. We have the commitment. We have the dedication. We know the urgency. Now we have to have the courage to get the job done..."

June 17, 2017 2:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That one line has been truncated to “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,” or even paraphrased like you did above.

Rational people remember the PPACA was discussed and worked on for years by both the House and Senate. and we all heard about mandates, subsidies, pre-existing conditions, allowing kids to stay on parents' policies through age 26 and all the rest.

But whatever. All that's ancient history now. Now we know that Gallup reports WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Fifty-five percent of Americans now support the Affordable Care Act (ACA), a major turnaround from five months ago when 42% approved and 53% disapproved.

Even Trump has enough sense to call Ryan's House approved dead-in-the-water Trumpcare that will cause 23 million Americans to lose their health insurance coverage "mean."

June 17, 2017 2:46 PM  
Blogger Priya Lynn said...

So much for the false claim that allowing trans people to use the bathroom they prefer will put biological women in danger of attack from male predators pretending to be women

Canada has passed a federal law that bans discrimination against people based on gender identity and gender expression. Prior to this ever province and territory had passed transgender anti-discrimination protections. This goes back as far as 2002 and contrary to the liars claiming this will allow men to legally enter women's bathrooms to sexually assault them this has never happened - its a fake concern intended to dishonestly justify allowing continued discrimination against harmless people using the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

The truth is there is strong empirical evidence to suggest that transgender people themselves are uniquely vulnerable to discrimination, harassment and violence in sex-segregated spaces.

June 17, 2017 3:08 PM  
Anonymous Correction said...

Pelosi' speech referenced at 2:46PM above was made on March 9, 2010, not 2009.

June 17, 2017 3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So much for the false claim that allowing trans people to use the bathroom they prefer will put biological women in danger of attack from male predators pretending to be women"

people want the restrooms segregated by gender

they believe it is safer but they don't have an obligation to present empirical evidence that its true

there is no legitimate grievance, there is no proof transgenders are in danger when they use the restroom of their actual gender

the request for that proof is months old and the crickets died from the endless chirping

Canada has passed a federal law that bans discrimination against people based on gender identity and gender expression. Prior to this ever province and territory had passed transgender anti-discrimination protections. This goes back as far as 2002 and contrary to the liars claiming this will allow men to legally enter women's bathrooms to sexually assault them this has never happened - its a fake concern intended to dishonestly justify allowing continued discrimination against harmless people using the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

The truth is there is strong empirical evidence to suggest that transgender people themselves are uniquely vulnerable to discrimination, harassment and violence in sex-segregated spaces.
June 17, 2017 3:08 PM Anonymous Correction said...
Pelosi' speech referenced at 2:46PM above was made on March 9, 2010, not 2009.

June 17, 2017 6:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pelosi' speech referenced at 2:46PM above was made on March 9, 2010, not 2009"

nothing about Pelosi's expanded comments changes the context

she clearly said people would find out what's in it, AFTER IT PASSES

she was in a rush because the American people were opposed and had just elected a Senator whose opposition would stop it

June 17, 2017 6:15 PM  
Anonymous Captain Obvious said...


"they believe it is safer but they don't have an obligation to present empirical evidence that its true"

Obviously then, you have "no legitimate grievance."

June 17, 2017 7:13 PM  
Anonymous Whup It Out said...

Of course Pelosi meant that people will appreciate the ACA once they see it in action. And she was absolutely right, it was disliked when it was passed -- remember people who loved the Affordable Care Act and hated Obamacare? -- and now it is very popular, no matter what you call it.

This kind of gotcha rightwing wordplay, taking a phrase out of context, is sickening. The ACA had plenty of debate and discussion and was voted into law. It is now America's healthcare policy and people like it. The Trump administration is choosing to starve it to death financially, and that's their prerogative, people will die but that will just be collateral damage as far as the GOP is concerned -- they have donors to pay back.

If they think they have a better idea, well the Republicans control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. There is no one to stop them. Of course they know what the consequences will be when they take people's insurance away -- actually they could, in theory, pass a humane and good healthcare bill. But everybody knows that though it is theoretically possible, it's not going to happen.

That's why they are doing it all in secret.

The people will be screwed one way or the other; the real problem for the GOP now is how to do this and blame the Democrats.

June 17, 2017 7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Of course Pelosi meant that people will appreciate the ACA once they see it in action. And she was absolutely right, it was disliked when it was passed -- remember people who loved the Affordable Care Act and hated Obamacare? -- and now it is very popular, no matter what you call it."

Is that how democracy works? Thwart the will of the voters and see what they'll think years later?

After opposing Obamacare for years, suddenly in the last couple of months, they've decided they like it when Congress ignores them? One problem is that, since Trump was elected, the press has lost all pretense of objectivity and now feels it has an obligation to stop Trump, no matter what kind of lie they have to tell. People don't know what to believe anymore and they receive so much false information.

Perfect example: press keeps saying how many will "lose" their health insurance. SIRTEEFYED by the OFISHEL CBO. What they don't tell anyone is they will lose it by choice, simply because the government won't force them to buy it.

"This kind of gotcha rightwing wordplay, taking a phrase out of context, is sickening."

Yeah, that kind of "gotcha" where everyone assumes she means what she says. If you think the statement is taken out of context, do tell us how.

"The ACA had plenty of debate and discussion and was voted into law."

the details were changing by the day, Pelosi didn't have time to review the final because she had to get it through before Scott Brown's election blew her narrow window of opportunity to thwart the will of the voter

"It is now America's healthcare policy and people like it."

do they, or are they simply reacting to the nightmare caricature draw up by the press?

"The Trump administration is choosing to starve it to death financially,"

in other words, not subsidize the program that was sold to the American people as a program that will cut the budget

Obamacare didn't work

"and that's their prerogative, people will die"

actually no one will - this is simply a lie

"but that will just be collateral damage as far as the GOP is concerned -- they have donors to pay back."

they could have made a lot of money if they were paid off by big Pharma and wealthy doctors, who love Obamacare and have showered its supporters with funds

Dems' supportersd are making a bundle off Obamacare

"If they think they have a better idea, well the Republicans"

this presumes that providing health care to the public is the government's responsibility

you won't find it in the COnstitution

June 19, 2017 9:48 AM  
Anonymous Not the Anon who has repeatedly said "There are many situations where lying is appropriate." said...

"Pelosi didn't have time to review the final because she had to get it through before Scott Brown's election blew her narrow window of opportunity to thwart the will of the voter" said the Anon who has repeatedly said "There are many situations where lying is appropriate."

More lying bullshit.

Scott Brown was sworn in to the US Senate on Feb. 4, 2010 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/04/signed-certification-hand-scott-brown-heads-washington.html) and the House passed the Senate version of the PPACA weeks later on March 21, 2010 (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2010/h165).

June 19, 2017 11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"More lying bullshit"

charming form of expression

where were raised? a whorehouse?

"Scott Brown was sworn in to the US Senate on Feb. 4, 2010 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/04/signed-certification-hand-scott-brown-heads-washington.html) and the House passed the Senate version of the PPACA weeks later on March 21, 2010 (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2010/h165)"

they only had a few hours left to pass it through a process began before he took office and only required only a majority vote

if they had waited until the next day, the process would have had to begin again and Brown could have stopped it by filibuster, which they would need more than a majority to stop and move the bill forward

say, were you in the country then or were you ....?

June 19, 2017 12:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pelosi didn't have time to review the final because she had to get it through before Scott Brown's election blew her narrow window of opportunity to thwart the will of the voter

...say, were you in the country then or were you ....?"


Yes, I was in the US then same as you.

The difference between us is I know Pelosi was the Speaker of the House while Scott Brown was elected to the Senate, unlike certain cretins who post here.

I also remember Senate Majority Leader Reid: We'll wait on Brown for health care vote

But there you are, lying through your teeth about actual history like the typical Fox News misinformed Trumpette.

Do I have to remind you where the pussy grabber says you can go and what you can do to yourself there yet again?

The Constitution says "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States" yet it's odd we don't hear a peep of concern out of you Trumpettes about Trump's abdication of that responsibility by turning it over to the Pentagon.

Nobody elected Jim Mattis to be the Commander in Chief.

June 19, 2017 1:30 PM  
Anonymous Whup It Out said...

Anon, it is as if you feel an obligation to respond but have nothing to say.

Elected representatives often have knowledge and information beyond what the general public holds, while normally the public gets its information from commercial news sources. (I say "normally" because the current President gets his information from Breitbart and Fox rather than more knowledgeable inside-government sources.) The Republicans mounted an intense publicity campaign against the ACA and the public was exposed to that, but Congress and the President decided based on the actual bill and actual debate and it was passed and signed into law. You might not like that, especially when Democrats hold power, but ... that's how it works.

The Context Behind Nancy Pelosi’s Famous ‘We Have to Pass the Bill’ Quote And please don't bother criticizing the site for being liberal; if you find a misstatement or inaccuracy then please share as excitedly as you please.

And yes, good: "not subsidize the program." The GOP is failing to subsidize the program as called for in the bill and patients will lose their coverage and die. You think that sounds a little harsh, I know, you would like to soften the wording, but the US has the worst health care in the civilized world; it had a chance of improving but that chance is disappearing. Without healthcare people do die.

"this presumes that providing health care to the public is the government's responsibility / you won't find it in the COnstitution"

The government is not providing healthcare to the public, the government is making sure that everyone has a right to healthcare -- which *is* in the Constitution.

June 19, 2017 3:07 PM  
Anonymous Rats prefer hiding from daylight too said...

The Not-So-Secret Truth About the Senate GOP’s Secret Health Care Bill
The details matter. But at its core, it’s still a massive tax cut paid for by depriving millions of health care.


"Senate Republicans are hurling themselves toward passing an incredibly unpopular set of health care reforms that even they don’t understand, haven’t seen and likely won’t see until just before it hits the floor.

This rightly has raised the hackles not only of Senate Democrats and the media, but anyone who values transparency in government or is anxious about the consequences of reordering the American health care system and taking away health coverage from millions of people.

But as important as the legislation’s details will turn out out to be, there’s a simple, fundamental, incontrovertible fact about whatever the Senate health care reform bill winds up looking like: The purpose of this bill is to dramatically scale back the safety net so wealthy people and health care companies can get a massive tax cut.

It’s the biggest open secret about the secret Senate health care bill....

June 19, 2017 3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you people are insane

first, you complain that the GOP healthcare bill is secret

when I point out the same was true of Obamacare, you say everyone know what was in that and debated it

and now you've come around to saying you know what's in the GOP bill and are debating it

could you either stick the same story for two seconds, or, alternatively, admit you're wrong when you realize it

btw, Obamacare had to pass both houses

it was done by a reconciliation bill, only requiring a majority to approve

but that window was expiring, reconciliation bills must be wrapped up and voted on within a certain period of time. under Congressional rules, they would have had to start over again from the beginning, meaning Brown could have stopped it, just like the voters wanted, if Pelosi and Reid hadn't pushed it through pronto

that's why it was such a rush to get it out without reading it

it was the only way Pelosi, Reid, and Obama could make sure the American voter didn't win

June 19, 2017 4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you know that Supreme Court with Neil Goresuch sittin' in?

they say "fight for ol' DC!"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-band-idUSKBN19A1YP

June 19, 2017 4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"that Supreme Court with Neil Goresuch sittin' in"

boy, TTF must bitterly regret supporting the corrupt and craven Hillary

Biden or Jerry Brown woulda beat Trump with one hand tied behind their back!!

heck, even Bernie and his violent supporters would have had a good shot!!

ah, the wages of error!!

June 19, 2017 4:37 PM  
Anonymous The Ghost of the Future said...

Watch this -- we are going to start hearing people saying, look, the US attacked a Syrian jet and now the Russians are attacking us -- proof, I tell ya, that Russia is not supporting Trump.

But nobody ever said Russia was "supporting Trump." They wanted him to win the election because that is good for them in every possible way. Russia's goal is disruption. Their philosophy is to support extreme right or left wing populist movements against the middle, all around the world. They wanted Trump to win the election because they knew it would throw the US into chaos. Now that he's President, they don't mind going to war with us. They know the Commander in Chief is a moron who has no foreign policy, no military strategy, no knowledge of international (or domestic) affairs. How could this not end well for them?

June 19, 2017 9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/19/trumps-approval-drops-days-after-posting-on-twitter-about-50-pe/22490520/

June 20, 2017 7:39 AM  
Anonymous Whup It Out said...

Polls show that 99.99% of Americans believe Trump is an incompetent moron. However, 35% think it is wonderful that the other 65% are outraged by him. Trump's followers mainly support him because he upsets liberals.

In the meantime, the Republicans are planning to pass a health bill that is, judging by its House precedent and various scraps that have been publicized, harsh and dangerous for those American people who are not corporate CEOs. They are developing the bill in secret and will vote on it with no estimate, formal or informal, of what it will cost, how it will affect taxes, what it will do to the economy in the short run or the long run. So far this administration has been a total failure; they need a win and will take it any way they can get it.

Every day Trump gives us more evidence that he is a hometown gangster cashing in on a political pyramid scheme. Let's take our eyes off him and look at where the real damage is being done.

June 20, 2017 7:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Registered to Vote? If So, A GOP Firm Probably Exposed Your Personal Data

June 20, 2017 8:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"you've come around to saying you know what's in the GOP bill and are debating it"

The only one spinning pirouettes is you.

Only a handful of GOPers in the Senate backroom know what's in the GOP bill.

Knowing the outcome of Trumpscare will mean millions of American citizens will lose coverage, does not mean the details of the Senate bill are known.

Not even most GOP Senators know what will be in the bill being written secretly in that backroom -- prescriptions, guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions, preventive care, ER visits, death panels?

2017 "...A group of GOP senators has been writing the bill in private. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) plans to take legislation directly to the Senate floor, where it will most likely get just 20 hours of formal discussion. Neither the Finance Committee nor the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee ― the two with jurisdiction ― plan to hold hearings. (In 2009 and 2010, Democrats held literally hundreds of hours of hearings, as part of a process for the Affordable Care Act that took more than a year to complete.)..."

Compare the 2017 BS above to the Chronology of passing PPACA into law:

"January 2009 Obama takes office; health care reform high on the agenda...

March 2009 White House health care forum...

Spring 2009 Max Baucus becomes point man...

Spring 2009 A secret deal with the pharmaceutical industry...

Summer 2009 Focus on writing bill; bipartisanship...

August 2009 Congressional recess; angry town hall meetings...

Aug. 25, 2009 Sen. Ted Kennedy dies...

Sept. 9, 2009 "You lie!"...

Fall 2009 Democrats take the lead; war with the insurance industry; more deals are cut...

Dec. 24, 2009 Senate passes bill...

January 2010 Scott Brown's Massachusetts win throws reform in doubt...

January/February 2010 Obama takes charge; a last attempt at bipartisanship?...

March 21, 2010 Health care bill passes House..."

June 20, 2017 9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Watch this -- we are going to start hearing people saying, look, the US attacked a Syrian jet and now the Russians are attacking us -- proof, I tell ya, that Russia is not supporting Trump.

But nobody ever said Russia was "supporting Trump.""

actually, what you've said, often, is that Trump is supporting Russian interests to the detriment of America, in exchange for their help in the election

it was always a lie, you never believed it yourself

and, yes, this again shows that you are full of IT

"Polls show that 99.99% of Americans believe Trump is an incompetent moron. However, 35% think it is wonderful that the other 65% are outraged by him."

I think most people reading that will have a hearty laugh

65% of America is liberal?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

funny how they don't control any level or branch of government

what could explain how that 65% keeps losing elections?

today Georgia is voting

the media has pulled the usual scam

if you believe the hype, Osoff has been winning in the polls until right at the end and now it's neck-and-neck

just like Hillary was killing Trump in the polls

right....

and if Osoff wins, the liberal media will act as if the fate of our civilization is finally clear and if Handel wins...it's sour grapes wine all around

"Trump's followers mainly support him because he upsets liberals."

no one really cares about the emotional state of liberals

people have, by-and-large, voted to preserve our constitutional rights

"Compare the 2017 BS above to the Chronology of passing PPACA into law:"

recently, y'all were whining because Trump's health bill is taking so long

now, you say Obama's is better because ot took so long

sheesh, make up your low IQ mind

hey, look, the European Court has ruled that gays have a right to propaganda and Putin violated it

"http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40338637"

that oughta scare the hell outta 'em!!

June 20, 2017 10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few days ago a Republican Senate aide was asked by a reporter why the GOP leadership felt the need to keep all the discussions for the health care bill completely under wraps and he replied, “We’re not stupid.” Leading Republicans know that what they’re planning is so poisonous to the voters that if they let anyone see the monstrosity they’re constructing before the bill is hurriedly voted on and signed into law by President Donald Trump, it could well cause riots. After all, according to recent polling, only 17 percent of the American people surveyed said they approved of the bill as it currently stands.

The fact is that Republicans are willing to destroy the health and financial security of millions of Americans so they can give massive tax cuts to Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and others like them who are lucky enough to be vastly wealthy. This is their first real chance to enact permanent tax cuts since 1986... Republicans have been chasing this dream a very long time. It is their white whale, so important that even the prospect of millions of people suffering and going bankrupt is not enough to make them think better of it. They are willing to hold hands, jump over a cliff and commit political suicide for it.

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is insistent that senators get this hugely unpopular piece of legislation done as quickly as possible, preferably before the Fourth of July recess when they might have to go home and face their desperate and horrified constituents. The Wall Street Journal reported Monday evening that McConnell plans to release the text later this week, then have the Congressional

Budget Office release its estimate of the cost and the devastation to human lives early next week — which would be followed by an immediate vote and then a quick getaway. This is presumably so Republican lawmakers can spend the holiday counting up all the money they’ve just voted to give themselves and their rich friends.

In the meantime, GOP leaders are dealing with the avalanche of criticism that they’re receiving the way their puerile president has taught them. Here’s the response of Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas:

Adam Schiff ✔@RepAdamSchiff
Trumpcare by the numbers: 850% premium spike for elderly, 14 mil lose healthcare in 1st year, 1 in 6 w pre-existing conditions lose coverage
9:55 AM - 27 May 2017

JohnCornyn ✔@JohnCornyn
Fake news https://twitter.com/repadamschiff/status/868465684933734400 …
2:56 PM - 27 May 2017

Brian Schatz ✔@brianschatz
No hearings, no women, no Democrats involved. No expert testimony, no listening to healthcare providers. This is legislative malpractice.
4:44 PM - 15 Jun 2017

JohnCornyn ✔@JohnCornyn
Fake news https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/875453883975434242 …
8:46 AM - 16 Jun 2017...

June 20, 2017 2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...David Lauter ✔@DavidLauter
Senate GOP health bill hurtles toward vote amid level of secrecy not seen since b4 WWI, @NoamLevey & @LisaMascaro http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-republicans-obamacare-secrecy-20170616-story.html …
2:57 PM - 16 Jun 2017

Republican secrecy faces mounting criticism...
GOP leaders face increasing criticism over their secret process for writing legislation to repeal Obamacare.
lattices.com

JohnCornyn ✔@JohnCornyn
This is crazy talk https://twitter.com/davidlauter/status/875789372305682432 …
7:40 PM - 16 Jun 2017

None of it is “fake news.” It’s all true.

And this is how Cornyn tweeted about the Affordable Care Act in 2010:

JohnCornyn ✔@JohnCornyn
The people have a right to know what is happening behind closed doors with secret HC negotiations
2:31 AM - 7 Jan 2010

Unlike the current Senate bill, the ACA went through dozens of hearings and amendments, many of them offered by Republicans and accepted — although every single Republican senator voted against the bill in the end.

If Republican senators manage to get their bill passed in their chamber presumably they will hammer out some kind of compromise in conference with members of the House, with whom the senators will pretend to have a big fight over some details that they will then “fix,” telling the public that the final version of the law will provide everyone who needs it with cheap, excellent health care. It will be a lie but that won’t matter because they’ll hurriedly get it to Trump’s desk so he can declare that it’s no longer a “mean, cold-hearted son of a bitch” and sign it, staging his greatest photo op show on earth.

That’s the plan, at any rate. At this point it’s unknown whether McConnell can pull it off. He only has two votes to spare and it looks as if Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska have called dibs. (It was nice of Republicans to give those to two of the five GOP women senators, since they weren’t even invited into the boys-only health care club.)

We’ll have to see if there is one other GOP senator with any empathy for the people Republicans are going to make suffer or any sense of the terrible risk they would take with the American economy. Since the authors of this legislation have done virtually no research, held no hearings and consulted with no experts (according to health care industry leaders), they may just manage to destroy the entire health care sector, which comprises one-sixth of the U.S. economy. But, hey, they’ll have their tax cuts...

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-gop-will-kill-to-get-their-tax-cuts.html

June 20, 2017 2:49 PM  
Anonymous Too hot to take off said...

American Airlines has canceled around 40 flights that were scheduled to take off from Phoenix’s Sky Harbor International Airport on Tuesday, as afternoon highs in the area are expected to exceed the operating temperatures of the company’s smaller aircraft.

The airline confirmed in a statement to HuffPost that its Bombardier CRJ, which it uses for regional “American Eagle” flights, can’t take off in weather hotter than 118 degrees Fahrenheit. Phoenix is projected to hit 120 degrees today.

The airline canceled seven flights on Monday for the same reason.

Should temps edge much higher, American would have to increase its number of cancellations. Its longer-range Boeing jets can’t fly in temperatures exceeding 126 degrees, and its Airbus jets are stuck at 127 degrees.

So far, no other airlines have canceled flights from the airport, according to Heather Lissner, the airport’s public information manager. Lissner said airlines have canceled flights due to the heat twice before: on July 1, 2013, and on June 26, 1990, when Phoenix set an all-time heat record of 122 degrees.

Heat affects planes because hot air expands until it isn’t dense enough for them to generate lift ― and without lift, we’re all grounded.

Patrick Smith, an airline pilot, blogger and the author of Cockpit Confidential, explained the phenomenon to Business Insider in 2013:

Hot air is less dense. This affects the output of the engines as well as aerodynamic capabilities, increasing the required runway distance and reducing climb performance. Therefore the amount of passengers and cargo a plane can carry are often restricted when temps are very high.

To state the obvious: That’s hot. Really hot. Or, as the Phoenix New Times puts it, the city is “a literal hellscape” and “an unlivable inferno.”

June 20, 2017 3:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CNN's "Survey of the Week" backfired on the left-wing cable news network, as participants overwhelmingly indicated that they did not believe President Trump should be investigated for obstruction of justice.

The non-scientific, online survey shows that 68.8% of close to 3 million respondents believe Trump should not be investigated, while only 31.2% believe he should.

The shocking results come after CNN's wall-to-wall coverage of the largely discredited Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy

June 20, 2017 5:16 PM  
Anonymous the times they are a-changin' said...

"today Georgia is voting

the media has pulled the usual scam

if you believe the hype, Osoff has been winning in the polls until right at the end and now it's neck-and-neck

just like Hillary was killing Trump in the polls

right...."

yup, same story over and over

if you believe the media, the Dem is always leading until a couple of days before the election, when, suddenly, it's tied

then, the Repub wins by a comfortable margin

to paraphrase Paul Simon

"if I was the President,

the minute the media put out a poll

I'd say,

who do,

who do you think you're foolin'?"

they were hypin' it, saying this will show the country will reject Trump in 2018 by flipping Congress

well, we've had four special elections and the one promoted by Trump has won all four

this, despite the pouring of tens of millions of dollars into this tiny Georgia district by nutty TTF types from across the country and the hugely unpopular Trump campaigning for Handel with daily tweets

"Republican Karen Handel shrugged off a challenge from Democrat Jon Ossoff on Tuesday in a race to represent a suburban Atlanta seat in Congress, as the GOP and President Donald Trump won the most expensive U.S. House contest in history.

A former Georgia secretary of state, Handel emphasized her experience and roots in Georgia’s 6th Congressional District to defeat Ossoff and keep a seat that’s long been held by Republicans in GOP hands. She becomes Georgia’s first female Republican member of the U.S. House.

Her victory is a win for Trump, who campaigned for Handel and hurled a string of antagonizing tweets at Ossoff. And it could buoy GOP incumbents who now know that allying with Trump is the key to turning out voters.

Ossoff is a 30-year-old investigative filmmaker who the media was trying to turn into a rising Democratic star. Ossoff shattered fundraising records as he appealed to liberals (you know, the 65%- haha!) infuriated by Trump and GOP voters frustrated at Washington gridlock.

His huge fundraising hauls – he raised at least $23 million – kept his message on metro Atlanta’s airwaves and allowed him to target irregular voters and others who rarely cast ballots for Democrats. And a legion of more than 12,000 outside Ossoff volunteers inundated the district with appeals to vote. But in the end, the money and Democratic energy wasn’t enough to overcome Trump's tweets.

Handel ran in this contest as a traditional conservative voice who backed Trump and his top priorities. She also relentlessly attacked Ossoff as an inexperienced stooge of national Democrats funded by out-of-state interlopers. At every turn, she sought to remind voters that Ossoff lived outside the district and that his values were “3,000 miles away.” After keeping Trump at arm’s length early in the race, she aggressively embraced him after she landed a spot in the runoff in April."

June 20, 2017 11:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what?!?!?!?!?

the Dems won the fourth special election in a row?

it's the KGB, I tell ya, The KGB!!

June 20, 2017 11:47 PM  
Anonymous be there or be square said...

"yup, same story over and over"

it's not just elections

they are constantly trying to pretend Americans are rabidly liberal

according to them, Americans are mad and avid supporters of gay rights

which makes you wonder why they always pull out all the stops to prevent votes on the subject

remember California, of all places, rejecting gay marriage at the voting booth

remember Dana Beyer intimidating people collecting signers to a petition to put gay rights on the ballot

now, they try to claim everyone is wildly crazy in love with Obamacare and furious at Trump for cancelling the Paris accords and dying to impeach Trump for being a Russian agent

see you at the polls in 2018!!

June 21, 2017 12:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gay former NFL player Ryan O’Callaghan on coming out

June 21, 2017 7:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Georgia U.S. House 6th District
Results: FEB. 10, 2017

Tom Price*Republican
191,792 61.6%
Rodney Stooksbury Democrat
119,536 38.4%
100% reporting (206 of 206 precincts)

Results: June 20, 2017
Karen Handel*Republican
134,595 51.9%
Jon Ossoff Democrat
124,893 48.1%
100% reporting (208 of 208 precincts)

June 21, 2017 8:21 AM  
Anonymous GOP on a roll said...

In the race to fill the seat vacated by President Trump’s budget director, Republican real estate developer Ralph Norman on Tuesday beat his Democratic opponent in South Carolina’s 5th congressional district. Like the results of other special elections this year, it will also go down as another loss for Democrats.

Norman is viewed as a conservative who battled against wasteful spending in the statehouse and was one of only three legislators to earn an “A” from South Carolina’s Club for Growth. He made no secret of the fact that he supports President Trump. Trump tweeted Monday that Norman “will be a fantastic help to me in cutting taxes and getting great border security and healthcare. #VoteRalphNorman” In the last week, Trump recorded robocalls to the district on Norman’s behalf.

June 21, 2017 8:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Georgia U.S. House 6th District
Results: FEB. 10, 2017"

Despite the money pouring in from nutcases across the country and 12,000 volunteers from outside the state and an obsessive barrage of propaganda from the national media for weeks, Trump's popularity has held in Goergia, as in all other five special elections since he was elected.

Voters are disgusted by the Dems' focus on the Russia hoax.

June 21, 2017 8:31 AM  
Anonymous cheer up, it's all relative said...

If only TTF hadn't stupidly supported the incurably corrupt Clinton machine

maybe then things could be different

but, alas....

let's face it: Dems came out in favor of gay marriage, fully embracing the gay agenda, about 4 years ago and the result has been disastrous for them ever since

their best play now would be to support research into time travel so they could someday go back and undo all their moronic mistakes

June 21, 2017 9:51 AM  
Anonymous Trump taint -- sinking voter numbers said...

"Trump's popularity has held in Goergia [sic]"

The GOP's popularity in Georgia's 6th district dropped from 61.6% in the vote taken in November 2016 to 51.9% yesterday, a drop of nearly 10 full percentage points in 8 months.

The GOP's popularity in South Carolina's 5th district dropped from 59.2% in the vote taken in November 2016 to 51.1% yesterday, a drop of 8 percentage points in 8 months.

These results are clear evidence that the GOP's grip in some southern areas has slipped lower since Trump was elected.

Fifteen months from now, who knows how much lower the GOP's popularity in these once deep red districts will go?

June 21, 2017 4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fifteen months from now, who knows how much lower the GOP's popularity in these once deep red districts will go?"

considering the national and media onslaught by liberals, the Georgia win is significant for the GOP

Dems were only able to pour in that kind of money because there was only one place they were focused

they can't do that in 435 districts simultaneously

additionally, all the lies connected with the Russian hoax, and you know they are lies, will be clear by then

Dems chose the battleground

they couldn't deliver

just like they couldn't in November 2016

don't expect any different result on November 2018

June 21, 2017 10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/21/poll-donald-trump=approval-rating-new-low-president-white-house/22546669/

June 22, 2017 7:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No major religious group in America supports refusal of service to LGBT people: poll
Poll finds that for the first time in its polling history that Americans oppose businesses refusing to serve LGBT


"Some would think that the rise of President Donald Trump proved that a majority of Americans were not ready for the complete separation of church and state. But a new poll conducted by Public Religion Research Institute revealed that every major religious group in the U.S. is against businesses discriminating against gay and lesbian people based on religion.

It was the first time a PRRI poll found this result.

“For the first time in a PRRI poll of this size, no major religious group reports majority support for religiously based service refusals of gay and lesbian Americans,” Robert P. Jones, PRRI CEO, said in a press release. “And most religious groups today support same-sex marriage. The religious groups in which majorities oppose same-sex marriage make up less than 20 percent of the public.”

More than 60 percent of Americans taking the survey indicated that they opposed the idea of small business owners in their state refusing to provide products or services to gay and lesbian people — even if doing so would violate their religious beliefs.

Only 50 percent of white evangelical Protestants and fewer than half of Mormons (42 percent), Hispanic Protestants (34 percent), black Protestants (25 percent), and Jehovah’s Witnesses (25 percent) believe that small business owners should have the right to refuse services to gay and lesbian people.

“At a time when Americans appear more divided than ever by partisanship and religion, there is increasing evidence that debates over gay rights have a short shelf life,” Dan Cox, PRRI research director, said. “For the first time since PRRI has polled on this issue, a majority of young Republicans and young white evangelical Protestants support same-sex marriage.”

June 22, 2017 9:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://www.prri.org/research/americans-views-discrimination-immigrants-blacks-lgbt-sex-marriage-immigration-reform/

June 22, 2017 9:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...Fox News reported Tuesday that the Trump State Department has opened a formal inquiry into former Secretary of State Clinton’s emails. You may have thought this question had been thoroughly investigated and finally dropped, but apparently some Republicans are determined to keep digging until they find a reason to “lock her up.”

And it’s not just the State Department. Fox reports that the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, has “launched its own inquiry into Clinton’s handling of emails.”

Grassley cited among his concerns the July 5 statement of former FBI Director James Comey that the agency found Clinton and her staff members were “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” Grassley also contended there is “evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information …”

Hillary Clinton left the State Department in 2012. Five years ago.

Grassley has finally roused himself to look into the possible obstruction-of-justice charges against Trump, but according to Politico it’s mainly out of pique that the administration hasn’t turned over documents he has requested. You’ll be glad to know that along with that investigation Grassley plans to take up the federal case of Loretta Lynch suggesting that James Comey use the word “matter” rather than “investigation” in the middle of a presidential campaign.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., in his new role as House Oversight Committee chair (replacing the abruptly retired Jason Chaffetz) said yesterday that his committee plans to pull back on calling witnesses that might interfere with special counsel Robert Mueller, which essentially means that the committee’s investigation will grind to a halt. Gowdy’s view is that “Congress tends to politicize everything” (which is hilarious coming from the Grand Benghazi Inquisitor) and that the real issues with the Russia probe are not the possible collusion, which he believes is overblown, but rather the active measures taken by Russia, the Obama administration’s response and the leaks coming out of the Trump administration. In other words, his priorities have absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump.

Gowdy hasn’t said whether he also plans to get back in the Clinton investigation business, but he told Fox News’ Martha McCallum last month that he believed James Comey “had access to information” that made it necessary to wrest the email investigation from the Department of Justice and then hinted broadly at collusion between former Attorney General Lynch and Hillary Clinton. He may get another crack at his old nemesis after all.

Mueller has been up on Capitol Hill this week filling in the various committees on his investigation. Undoubtedly, and for good reason, he has asked them to be cautious about compromising his investigation. It’s entirely possible that the Republican-led committees will defer to Mueller and let the special counsel’s office work quietly behind the scenes to determine if our president is a Russian agent while they stage a public spectacle featuring Hillary and Bill Clinton, Loretta Lynch and James Comey for the viewing pleasure of their president and their voters. Don’t say they would never do that. You know they would.

http://www.salon.com/2017/06/22/never-mind-trump-and-russia-gop-still-longs-to-investigate-obama-hillary-clinton-and-loretta-lynch/

June 22, 2017 10:39 AM  
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